Chance to get PR if apply without husband

[carinj]

Hi all,

Good to know this forum. Simple profile:

Hong Kong Chinese (whole family)
Only me and son move here since July 2021. I am a EP holder. Son holds a DP. Husband also holds a DP but he is stuck in Hong Kong (take care of aged parents)
Both of us hold master degree (i am MBA and he is MSC in computing) in reputable uni in HK and both aged 45+
My son is now studying in a local primary school (P1)


I am preparing for my PR application and now face a difficult question of whether i should include my husband in the application since he is not working in SG. But if i exclude him, i fail to show that our long term plan of staying here for good (our end goal is to get the citizenship)

Need your advice plus the chance (my concern is my age)

[MOCHS]

It’s still too early. Apply after 2-3 years of tax assessments.

You didn’t mention your occupation.

Age is a bit on the high side but positive is you have a son. You do understand if you get PR, your son has to do national service?

I don’t know if they will give PR to someone who has not resided in Singapore… That is something I am unsure about.

Alternative is if you do not include your husband in the first application, and if you & son’s PR do get approved, you have the ability to sponsor your husband’s PR in the future.

[carinj]

I am competing with time (age consideration) and hence want to apply this year.
Does occupation really matter? I am working in a non-retail global financial institute, not doing front office role nor IT.
I know some successful cases and of course failure if not including spouse (husband) in the PR application.

thank you so much

[NYY1]

I am competing with time (age consideration) and hence want to apply this year.
Does occupation really matter? I am working in a non-retail global financial institute, not doing front office role nor IT.
I know some successful cases and of course failure if not including spouse (husband) in the PR application.

thank you so much

Hi. Understand the situation. I cannot really advise whether the chance is better with or without your husband on the application.

We can all debate exactly how many people will be coming here from HK, but more likely than not there will be a great number of applicants that are similar to you over the next few years (at least relative to the past) and how this plays out in the application/approval process remains to be seen. I am also not sure whether people will apply in 1 year (considered early), 2 years (typical minimum), or 5 years (more standard), but there will likely be people from this group applying and some re-applying pretty much all of the time. Regardless, all things considered I understand why you want to give it a shot now.

Assuming you can remain employed, you can likely reapply once or twice while you son is still in primary school (looks like you got a spot via P1 Phase 3 last year). If you are unable to obtain as a family (or one parent/child), under the current rules he could apply after passing a national exam (PSLE) in 5+ years time. I am not sure about the current timeline at ICA but in the past I have seen some Secondary students get approved in a month or two.

Longer term, I don't know whether this would make PR easier for you/your husband. While he is a student you should be able to get a LTVP (if you become unemployed) but your husband may not be able to reside here. For some, splitting up the family for an extended time is not worth it. Depending on what your long-term objectives are and primarily for whom, it may simply be seen as a cost of doing business.

Anyways, good luck and regards.

[sailtraveller]

Just apply, mainly due to age - even if rejected, it shows your interest. Don't think it will be a negative, and better try than not trying (again due to age, and some of the ranking algos they use).
To compensate for age and short stay, it's all about everything else .. studies, job, salary.

Make sure you include male son in application, that gets you quite a few points.

For your husband - it doesn't matter at all that he's in not in the country, as long as he's on DP.
To give you an example:
nearly 6yrs ago a colleague from Malaysia: he came with a job on EP to Singapore, and got his wife and kids on DP. He was the only one that moved to SG, the family ALWAYS remained in KL, and he would be the one going to visit them, so they came into SG less than once a year. After exactly 6 months after he got the EP and started working he applied for himself and whole family to be PR - he got in 2 months for all of them. The family (parents and 2 kids) were now all SPR, still his family never moved to Singapore - they eventually moved 4.5yrs later and enrolled the kids in SG schools, simply because their re-entry permit was due to expire and there would be renewal problems otherwise (being PR and not staying in Singapore pretty much at all for 5 yrs .........)
However - they keyword here is: they're Malaysians.

[sundaymorningstaple]

And they are probably Chinese Malaysians. What he was doing is illegal but as long as he flew under the radar he's been okay. However, on this forum, we do NOT espouse or allude to doing anything illegal so in the future please keep that in mind. I have approved your post, based on the premises that you won't resort to that again. We have an excellent reputation with the government agencies and would like to keep it that way. Thanks and welcome to the board

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[sailtraveller]

No, what he did is not illegal.

DP don't have minimum residence requirements - he had a place in Singapore, if his DPs decided to spend the whole time outside the country it's perfectly ok. Many years ago we had people in professional services based in Malaysia, in my previous company, that required EPs for Singapore, Thailand and Indonesia - to be able to legally work on projects in each of those countries.
For PR the only control they have to avoid abuse is the re-entry permit.

That said, for someone like me struggling to get PR, it didn't feel great witnessing it. There's moral .. and there's legal.

And no, they were not Chinese Malaysians, but Tamil Malaysians.

[sundaymorningstaple]

And there is pragmatic. If you have been here that long you know there is a muddying of the lines between moral, legal and pragmatic. 377A has/is a good example of that and the changes they are making to the constitution with the effect of preventing a lot of lengthy court cases challenging the new law and it's narrowness. By enshrining it into the constitution, cannot be any backlash.

[sailtraveller]

I'm not courageous enough yet, neither having SC or at least SPR, to express any opinion on anything ...

[sundaymorningstaple]

I spent 11 years, one wife, 2 kids & 3 cars, one PR rejection (1988), one appeal rejected (in 1989) (back when you could actually go through the motions before gaining PR in 1995. So you might say, been there done that. (Even changed professions - literally). Been paying it back on this board now for almost 18 years.

[carinj]

Thank you so much. May be i should try the first attempt with husband. if I get rejected, remove him and reapply again.