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Serving on an Management Committee is painful

Post by PNGMK » Mon, 25 Apr 2022 12:55 pm

I resigned on the spot in our last AGM after 4 hours of abuse from proprietors who refuse to be involved all year but then insist on shouting abuse and making insinuations of corruption at their MC. There are some ugly nasty "kampong" style Singaporean's in these condos.

Think carefully before serving.
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Re: Serving on an Management Committee is painful

Post by malcontent » Mon, 25 Apr 2022 1:14 pm

Good for you.

I have been living at the same condo for almost 20 years. Was approached many times to be involved in the Management Committee (and there is plenty to be dissatisfied about at our condo), but I decided long ago that I would rather be dissatisfied than take on the stress as a committee member. Live is too short.

What we do instead is see how people vote and delegate our vote to those who vote the way we agree with.
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Re: Serving on an Management Committee is painful

Post by Lisafuller » Mon, 25 Apr 2022 10:22 pm

malcontent wrote:
Mon, 25 Apr 2022 1:14 pm
Good for you.

I have been living at the same condo for almost 20 years. Was approached many times to be involved in the Management Committee (and there is plenty to be dissatisfied about at our condo), but I decided long ago that I would rather be dissatisfied than take on the stress as a committee member. Live is too short.

What we do instead is see how people vote and delegate our vote to those who vote the way we agree with.
Same here. I like to stay back and observe. I’ve seen ridiculous fights break out in the resident GCs over the smallest things, would never get involved.

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Re: Serving on an Management Committee is painful

Post by Lisafuller » Mon, 25 Apr 2022 10:26 pm

PNGMK wrote:
Mon, 25 Apr 2022 12:55 pm
I resigned on the spot in our last AGM after 4 hours of abuse from proprietors who refuse to be involved all year but then insist on shouting abuse and making insinuations of corruption at their MC. There are some ugly nasty "kampong" style Singaporean's in these condos.

Think carefully before serving.
This is an excellent topic. Like Mal, I’ve gotten many invites to join the committee over my time as a resident, but have always swiftly rejected. It’s a thankless job, takes time and effort and at the end of the day not only are you not appreciated for it, you’re criticized and have to deal with the endless complaints from residents. And when these complainers are asked to serve, they refuse.

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Re: Serving on an Management Committee is painful

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 26 Apr 2022 1:13 am

Lisafuller wrote:
Mon, 25 Apr 2022 10:26 pm
PNGMK wrote:
Mon, 25 Apr 2022 12:55 pm
I resigned on the spot in our last AGM after 4 hours of abuse from proprietors who refuse to be involved all year but then insist on shouting abuse and making insinuations of corruption at their MC. There are some ugly nasty "kampong" style Singaporean's in these condos.

Think carefully before serving.
This is an excellent topic. Like Mal, I’ve gotten many invites to join the committee over my time as a resident, but have always swiftly rejected. It’s a thankless job, takes time and effort and at the end of the day not only are you not appreciated for it, you’re criticized and have to deal with the endless complaints from residents. And when these complainers are asked to serve, they refuse.
Sounds a lot like being a moderator on this board....... :-k [-( :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Serving on an Management Committee is painful

Post by PNGMK » Tue, 26 Apr 2022 8:22 am

For those who are wondering how to raise issues in your condo - let me assure you that shouting them out in an AGM is least effective manner.

The correct manner is to WRITE to the MC (cc MA). If you're not seeing action then raise it in writing as an AOB matter at least two weeks prior to the AGM. Failing that raise 20% of the votes and run your own EGM to address the matter. Worse case take legal action. Once again, shouting at the MC at an AGM makes YOU the asswipe, not the MC.
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Re: Serving on an Management Committee is painful

Post by Addadude » Tue, 26 Apr 2022 10:37 am

Many years ago I had a boss who was both a member and council member of Singapore Island Country Club, Sentosa Golf Club and Tanglin Club. It seemed like every week there were full on law suits going back and forth between individuals and the various committees, many of which made it to the news headlines.
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Re: Serving on an Management Committee is painful

Post by Lisafuller » Tue, 26 Apr 2022 11:02 pm

PNGMK wrote:
Tue, 26 Apr 2022 8:22 am
For those who are wondering how to raise issues in your condo - let me assure you that shouting them out in an AGM is least effective manner.

The correct manner is to WRITE to the MC (cc MA). If you're not seeing action then raise it in writing as an AOB matter at least two weeks prior to the AGM. Failing that raise 20% of the votes and run your own EGM to address the matter. Worse case take legal action. Once again, shouting at the MC at an AGM makes YOU the asswipe, not the MC.
Last line sums it all up nicely. Although, there have been plenty of occasions where the MC did not take up/even acknowledge issues brought up. Simply sent an automated response that the query was received but that was the end of things.

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Re: Serving on an Management Committee is painful

Post by Lisafuller » Tue, 26 Apr 2022 11:03 pm

Addadude wrote:
Tue, 26 Apr 2022 10:37 am
Many years ago I had a boss who was both a member and council member of Singapore Island Country Club, Sentosa Golf Club and Tanglin Club. It seemed like every week there were full on law suits going back and forth between individuals and the various committees, many of which made it to the news headlines.
What could they be disputing over?

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Re: Serving on an Management Committee is painful

Post by Lisafuller » Tue, 26 Apr 2022 11:04 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Tue, 26 Apr 2022 1:13 am
Lisafuller wrote:
Mon, 25 Apr 2022 10:26 pm
PNGMK wrote:
Mon, 25 Apr 2022 12:55 pm
I resigned on the spot in our last AGM after 4 hours of abuse from proprietors who refuse to be involved all year but then insist on shouting abuse and making insinuations of corruption at their MC. There are some ugly nasty "kampong" style Singaporean's in these condos.

Think carefully before serving.
This is an excellent topic. Like Mal, I’ve gotten many invites to join the committee over my time as a resident, but have always swiftly rejected. It’s a thankless job, takes time and effort and at the end of the day not only are you not appreciated for it, you’re criticized and have to deal with the endless complaints from residents. And when these complainers are asked to serve, they refuse.
Sounds a lot like being a moderator on this board....... :-k [-( :lol: :lol: :lol:
Having all the privileges of being a mod must sweeten the deal a little though, no?

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Re: Serving on an Management Committee is painful

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 27 Apr 2022 4:02 pm

There are no privileges other that seeing a clean and respected board. We do this as a way of thanking our host for the opportunity to help others, we get nothing else other than that ability to help others if we can. It's totally voluntary, unpaid position. Basically just like the 3.5 years I spend resettling VN Boat People under the auspices of UNHCR. A way of helping others, if you will, in a non-secular manner. You call sweeping out the garbage and kicking out the trolls & spammers a privilege? ;-) :lol:
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Re: Serving on an Management Committee is painful

Post by Lisafuller » Wed, 27 Apr 2022 9:20 pm

Still, it’s a pretty big power. Although I guess it’s not used as one, and is more of a responsibility.

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Re: Serving on an Management Committee is painful

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:22 pm

Exactly. And the four of us that are currently active are well aware of that responsibility we have and our responsibility to our hosts and our regular members.
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Re: Serving on an Management Committee is painful

Post by Lisafuller » Thu, 28 Apr 2022 9:05 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:22 pm
Exactly. And the four of us that are currently active are well aware of that responsibility we have and our responsibility to our hosts and our regular members.
“With great power, comes great responsibility”.

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Re: Serving on an Management Committee is painful

Post by malcontent » Fri, 29 Apr 2022 9:46 pm

Lisafuller wrote:
Thu, 28 Apr 2022 9:05 pm
sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:22 pm
Exactly. And the four of us that are currently active are well aware of that responsibility we have and our responsibility to our hosts and our regular members.
“With great power, comes great responsibility”.
Is that from Spider-Man?
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