PR Approval Probability 2022

[smoulder]

^ I distinctly recall the wife of an Indian MD in a bank posting here a couple of years ago - her husband earns approximately 500k per year. That's what you can categorize as high achiever - not only a high earner because it takes some serious skill to reach that level. Lived here for over a decade and still cannot get PR.

[Wd40]

^ I distinctly recall the wife of an Indian MD in a bank posting here a couple of years ago - her husband earns approximately 500k per year. That's what you can categorize as high achiever - not only a high earner because it takes some serious skill to reach that level. Lived here for over a decade and still cannot get PR.

I have seen mostly 180k salary people + spouse another 100k "I" race getting PR. So that is way beyond the median income in Singapore. I am yet to see an 8K monthly salary "I" race getting PR recently unless they have family ties. 8K is way above median income. Anyways, I wont drag this anymore.

[NYY1]

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I wont drag this anymore.

Hi, understand how you may feel. If I understand correctly, you guys came here on the back-end of prior times and since perhaps the road ahead/dynamic has changed.

Nevertheless, what I can say is this. At any point in time people have the option to pack up and do something else (goes for people here or in any other country). Or, they can ride it out where they are for as long as they can and enjoy whatever positives exist.

Personally, I think what you should think about is a) where is the targeted university destination for your kid (taking the actual education, back-end visa/immigration options, and culture/social issues into consideration) and b) how best to position the child to have the best odds of obtaining a). Is that Singapore or somewhere else? From what I understand, for you it probably doesn't matter so much; whether here is another year or ten, things will only change so much and you'll find a way to manage. But where the child wants to and can access for university has other longer-term impacts.

In general, the only benefit we get from complaining is if we can affect change. Again, I understand what you are saying but just think about what the end game is or what one is trying to accomplish. Good luck and regards.

[Wd40]

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I wont drag this anymore.

Hi, understand how you may feel. If I understand correctly, you guys came here on the back-end of prior times and since perhaps the road ahead/dynamic has changed.

Nevertheless, what I can say is this. At any point in time people have the option to pack up and do something else (goes for people here or in any other country). Or, they can ride it out where they are for as long as they can and enjoy whatever positives exist.

Personally, I think what you should think about is a) where is the targeted university destination for your kid (taking the actual education, back-end visa/immigration options, and culture/social issues into consideration) and b) how best to position the child to have the best odds of obtaining a). Is that Singapore or somewhere else? From what I understand, for you it probably doesn't matter so much; whether here is another year or ten, things will only change so much and you'll find a way to manage. But where the child wants to and can access for university has other longer-term impacts.

In general, the only benefit we get from complaining is if we can affect change. Again, I understand what you are saying but just think about what the end game is or what one is trying to accomplish. Good luck and regards.

Thanks. You pretty much nailed it. I am pretty much set, it is my daughter's undergraduation degree that I need to worry about next, which is 7 years away.

Singapore is pretty much dead end. My Malaysian colleague was telling me her nephew got into computers undergrad degree in NUS as an international student, but his grant was rejected, so they have to pay full fees of 180k for 4 years and after that getting an EP is pretty much zero chance, since they don't give EP for Freshers. I also heard if you get a grant, you need to sign a 3 year bond to stay and work in SG, but then MoM won't give EP. Looks like MoE and MoM are not talking to each other.

Another thing is undergrad in any foreign developed country as an international student is very very expensive. 4 years of fees and living expenses. But if you somehow manage to get to the country and become a tax resident in the prior year you can become a local student and pay local fees, even if you are not a PR. So that is a wild chance I have to move to a developed country just befor my daughter starts undergrad. Although it is a very very long shot.

My default path now is to have my daughter do her undergrad in India, moving to India just before her in undergrad or even earlier, depending on how long I can stay here. So it is 0-7 years more to go

[smoulder]

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I wont drag this anymore.

Hi, understand how you may feel. If I understand correctly, you guys came here on the back-end of prior times and since perhaps the road ahead/dynamic has changed.

Nevertheless, what I can say is this. At any point in time people have the option to pack up and do something else (goes for people here or in any other country). Or, they can ride it out where they are for as long as they can and enjoy whatever positives exist.

Personally, I think what you should think about is a) where is the targeted university destination for your kid (taking the actual education, back-end visa/immigration options, and culture/social issues into consideration) and b) how best to position the child to have the best odds of obtaining a). Is that Singapore or somewhere else? From what I understand, for you it probably doesn't matter so much; whether here is another year or ten, things will only change so much and you'll find a way to manage. But where the child wants to and can access for university has other longer-term impacts.

In general, the only benefit we get from complaining is if we can affect change. Again, I understand what you are saying but just think about what the end game is or what one is trying to accomplish. Good luck and regards.

Thanks. You pretty much nailed it. I am pretty much set, it is my daughter's undergraduation degree that I need to worry about next, which is 7 years away.

Singapore is pretty much dead end. My Malaysian colleague was telling me her nephew got into computers undergrad degree in NUS as an international student, but his grant was rejected, so they have to pay full fees of 180k for 4 years and after that getting an EP is pretty much zero chance, since they don't give EP for Freshers. I also heard if you get a grant, you need to sign a 3 year bond to stay and work in SG, but then MoM won't give EP. Looks like MoE and MoM are not talking to each other.

Another thing is undergrad in any foreign developed country as an international student is very very expensive. 4 years of fees and living expenses. But if you somehow manage to get to the country and become a tax resident in the prior year you can become a local student and pay local fees, even if you are not a PR. So that is a wild chance I have to move to a developed country just befor my daughter starts undergrad. Although it is a very very long shot.

My default path now is to have my daughter do her undergrad in India, moving to India just before her in undergrad or even earlier, depending on how long I can stay here. So it is 0-7 years more to go

I guess adjusting to life in India is going to be a big deal for your daughter because she's probably spent most or all of her life here?

[nelyanne]

So mostly PR is given to white collar.

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only the highest achievers in the MIO race get PR

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Where are you getting this info from? Got any data to back up or just via anecdotes & observations from friends and colleagues? Anecdotes are not statistically significant as your social circle is already skewed towards a certain demographic in the first place.

Your coffeeshop aunties & uncles are still getting PR. (Some) Foreigner brides married to blue collar SCs are still getting my PR. My non-expat & average-skilled ang moh husband also got PR.

Of course ICA knows how to keep the balance in accepting PRs/SCs. FB co-founder Eduardo Severin & Hai Di Lao boss got PRs but there are also plenty of high income earners who have been rejected for PR, just look at the people posting on this forum.

Did your husband got his PR through family ties? If yes, what's the point to mention his example? As WD40 wrote already, getting PR through family scheme is a different story, salary of the applicant is less relevant, you can even be jobless and still get it.

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I wont drag this anymore.

Hi, understand how you may feel. If I understand correctly, you guys came here on the back-end of prior times and since perhaps the road ahead/dynamic has changed.

Nevertheless, what I can say is this. At any point in time people have the option to pack up and do something else (goes for people here or in any other country). Or, they can ride it out where they are for as long as they can and enjoy whatever positives exist.

Personally, I think what you should think about is a) where is the targeted university destination for your kid (taking the actual education, back-end visa/immigration options, and culture/social issues into consideration) and b) how best to position the child to have the best odds of obtaining a). Is that Singapore or somewhere else? From what I understand, for you it probably doesn't matter so much; whether here is another year or ten, things will only change so much and you'll find a way to manage. But where the child wants to and can access for university has other longer-term impacts.

In general, the only benefit we get from complaining is if we can affect change. Again, I understand what you are saying but just think about what the end game is or what one is trying to accomplish. Good luck and regards.

Thanks. You pretty much nailed it. I am pretty much set, it is my daughter's undergraduation degree that I need to worry about next, which is 7 years away.

Singapore is pretty much dead end. My Malaysian colleague was telling me her nephew got into computers undergrad degree in NUS as an international student, but his grant was rejected, so they have to pay full fees of 180k for 4 years and after that getting an EP is pretty much zero chance, since they don't give EP for Freshers. I also heard if you get a grant, you need to sign a 3 year bond to stay and work in SG, but then MoM won't give EP. Looks like MoE and MoM are not talking to each other.

Another thing is undergrad in any foreign developed country as an international student is very very expensive. 4 years of fees and living expenses. But if you somehow manage to get to the country and become a tax resident in the prior year you can become a local student and pay local fees, even if you are not a PR. So that is a wild chance I have to move to a developed country just befor my daughter starts undergrad. Although it is a very very long shot.

My default path now is to have my daughter do her undergrad in India, moving to India just before her in undergrad or even earlier, depending on how long I can stay here. So it is 0-7 years more to go

I know some people from Malaysia who got their passes shortly after graduation. After getting the S pass, they can slowly build up their experience. Why is your friend so pessimistic? Especially if her nephew is studying CS!

[singaporeflyer]

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I wont drag this anymore.

Hi, understand how you may feel. If I understand correctly, you guys came here on the back-end of prior times and since perhaps the road ahead/dynamic has changed.

Nevertheless, what I can say is this. At any point in time people have the option to pack up and do something else (goes for people here or in any other country). Or, they can ride it out where they are for as long as they can and enjoy whatever positives exist.

Personally, I think what you should think about is a) where is the targeted university destination for your kid (taking the actual education, back-end visa/immigration options, and culture/social issues into consideration) and b) how best to position the child to have the best odds of obtaining a). Is that Singapore or somewhere else? From what I understand, for you it probably doesn't matter so much; whether here is another year or ten, things will only change so much and you'll find a way to manage. But where the child wants to and can access for university has other longer-term impacts.

In general, the only benefit we get from complaining is if we can affect change. Again, I understand what you are saying but just think about what the end game is or what one is trying to accomplish. Good luck and regards.

Thanks. You pretty much nailed it. I am pretty much set, it is my daughter's undergraduation degree that I need to worry about next, which is 7 years away.

Singapore is pretty much dead end. My Malaysian colleague was telling me her nephew got into computers undergrad degree in NUS as an international student, but his grant was rejected, so they have to pay full fees of 180k for 4 years and after that getting an EP is pretty much zero chance, since they don't give EP for Freshers. I also heard if you get a grant, you need to sign a 3 year bond to stay and work in SG, but then MoM won't give EP. Looks like MoE and MoM are not talking to each other.

Another thing is undergrad in any foreign developed country as an international student is very very expensive. 4 years of fees and living expenses. But if you somehow manage to get to the country and become a tax resident in the prior year you can become a local student and pay local fees, even if you are not a PR. So that is a wild chance I have to move to a developed country just befor my daughter starts undergrad. Although it is a very very long shot.

My default path now is to have my daughter do her undergrad in India, moving to India just before her in undergrad or even earlier, depending on how long I can stay here. So it is 0-7 years more to go

I know quite a handful who completed their studies here in a local uni and got EP. There is nothing like EP wont be granted.

[MOCHS]

Did your husband got his PR through family ties? If yes, what's the point to mention his example? As WD40 wrote already, getting PR through family scheme is a different story, salary of the applicant is less relevant, you can even be jobless and still get it.

‘Cos he kept saying PRs were given to high achievers only before the distinction between FTS & PTS were mentioned.

If it’s PTS, I do know of researchers earning $5K from the preferred race getting PRs. That aside, I also encountered an Indian couple in research earning $5K each per month getting PR as well. So this whole “PR for high achievers only” spiel is wholly untrue.

I also said many high income earners have posted on this forum that they get rejected for PR as well. So the whole high income = PR is repeatedly debunked, as shown on this forum.

[singaporeflyer]

Did your husband got his PR through family ties? If yes, what's the point to mention his example? As WD40 wrote already, getting PR through family scheme is a different story, salary of the applicant is less relevant, you can even be jobless and still get it.

‘Cos he kept saying PRs were given to high achievers only before the distinction between FTS & PTS were mentioned.

If it’s PTS, I do know of researchers earning $5K from the preferred race getting PRs. That aside, I also encountered an Indian couple in research earning $5K each per month getting PR as well. So this whole “PR for high achievers only” spiel is wholly untrue.

I also said many high income earners have posted on this forum that they get rejected for PR as well. So the whole high income = PR is repeatedly debunked, as shown on this forum.

One small add on - Applicants with research/PHD background are in a totally different bucket which will likely give them an edge. Not saying everyone will get it, but many would.

[smoulder]

Additionally, SF, I am guessing that doctors are also not going to be thrown into the same bucket as IT professionals. The former I think are far more scarce and the latter are a dime a dozen.

[singaporeflyer]

Additionally, SF, I am guessing that doctors are also not going to be thrown into the same bucket as IT professionals. The former I think are far more scarce and the latter are a dime a dozen.

Surely, yes. There will be certain professions that will have an edge due to the demand and shortfall in SG.

[MOCHS]

One small add on - Applicants with research/PHD background are in a totally different bucket which will likely give them an edge. Not saying everyone will get it, but many would.

Hate to burst your bubble but I feel PhD also doesn’t give people any edge whatsoever.

I know of a dual-nationality (Europe-Asia) tenured Prof who tried to apply for PR for years, kept getting rejected. He has given up and just continues to work here.

Vietnamese researchers even with PhD tend to have rejection too.

One PRC PhD single researcher in her late 30s who got rejected twice. She is going to Canada now.

A Korean PhD researcher in late 30s who came to SG with her Korean hubby who is working e-commerce, both got rejected twice.

Russian PhD holder only got accepted on second try upon marriage to SC and birth of SC son.

Lots of PhD profiles all over the place getting rejections.

[smoulder]

Maybe it depends on their area of research. Anyway, I guess the take away is that there are some factors which might give you an edge, but still nothing is guaranteed.

[MOCHS]

Their fields of research are diverse. Cancer, ageing, neuro, etc. Even the “hot” fields don’t guarantee anything.

[malcontent]

I suspect that Covid might have prompted more Malaysians than ever to apply, raising the bar for everyone else. So an increase in rejections might have more to do with the number of Malaysians in the queue (we know who gets ultimate priority).