PR approval chances 2022

[singaporeflyer]

Hi everyone,

Thankful to this great forum I have been following since long, this is my first post and would need your expert opinion on my PR case as below :

PR application : 2nd Application Applied in May 2022.
Nationality: Indian
Race: Indian
Marital status: Married
Gender: Male, 38
Immigration status: Employment Pass
Time in Singapore: 6.5 years
Job: software architect/Data Science
Salary: 150K base +50K bonus
Education: Masters from US university (Online), Bachelors in Engineering from India.
Spouse : Indian, MBA from India, 8 Months Employment history in SG on dependent Pass,ex-banker in India. Currently homemaker.
Kids : 7 yr old son, 4 yr old daughter ( both in singapore, Son in school since 2016 (preschool to grade 2), Daughter in SG since 2018
PR 1st application : Rejected in Feb 2020 (applied May 2019)
Difference since last application : 20% salary increase, completion of Masters (non SG/online)

Based on the comments in forum, I would rate myself a 20% chance, thought to share my case (if it helps anyone) and gain your feedback.

Thanks everyone.

20-30% chance. But keep your hope low.

[Wd40]

Hi everyone,

Thankful to this great forum I have been following since long, this is my first post and would need your expert opinion on my PR case as below :

PR application : 2nd Application Applied in May 2022.
Nationality: Indian
Race: Indian
Marital status: Married
Gender: Male, 38
Immigration status: Employment Pass
Time in Singapore: 6.5 years
Job: software architect/Data Science
Salary: 150K base +50K bonus
Education: Masters from US university (Online), Bachelors in Engineering from India.
Spouse : Indian, MBA from India, 8 Months Employment history in SG on dependent Pass,ex-banker in India. Currently homemaker.
Kids : 7 yr old son, 4 yr old daughter ( both in singapore, Son in school since 2016 (preschool to grade 2), Daughter in SG since 2018
PR 1st application : Rejected in Feb 2020 (applied May 2019)
Difference since last application : 20% salary increase, completion of Masters (non SG/online)

Based on the comments in forum, I would rate myself a 20% chance, thought to share my case (if it helps anyone) and gain your feedback.

Thanks everyone.

I have come to the conclusion now, which is really common sense; if you are an Indian and your kids go to an Indian International School and you just go to office and do nothing else, then it is pretty much zero chances you will get PR. The main thing about Indians is about integration, since we are known to be of different kind mingling among only ourselves.

If your kids got admission to local school then it is a pretty good chance you can still get PR, if you do other things right. But with kids in international school I would say zero.

I have kind of given up on applying PR ever again for this reason and I would urge all Indians who send your kids to Indian international school to also giveup. I know many of us applied for the local school and we didn't get, but some did get and I think at time they already knew who is potential PR material and who is not.

Some of the Indians would go against all odds and make their kids prepare for the tough AEIS exam and put them into local schools. That shows commitment and such commitment usually gets rewarded.

So I think the ICA is very pragmatic and they can see who is really integrating and willing to sweat it and who is not.

So just ask yourself, do you really see yourself integrating, you know eat at the food court with local friends, etc. Your Facebook friends list probably is also a give away who knows.

So it is all just common sense, they can see through it so it is often a binary chance zero or 100%.

[NYY1]

Hi everyone,

Thankful to this great forum I have been following since long, this is my first post and would need your expert opinion on my PR case as below :

PR application : 2nd Application Applied in May 2022.
Nationality: Indian
Race: Indian
Marital status: Married
Gender: Male, 38
Immigration status: Employment Pass
Time in Singapore: 6.5 years
Job: software architect/Data Science
Salary: 150K base +50K bonus
Education: Masters from US university (Online), Bachelors in Engineering from India.
Spouse : Indian, MBA from India, 8 Months Employment history in SG on dependent Pass,ex-banker in India. Currently homemaker.
Kids : 7 yr old son, 4 yr old daughter ( both in singapore, Son in school since 2016 (preschool to grade 2), Daughter in SG since 2018
PR 1st application : Rejected in Feb 2020 (applied May 2019)
Difference since last application : 20% salary increase, completion of Masters (non SG/online)

Based on the comments in forum, I would rate myself a 20% chance, thought to share my case (if it helps anyone) and gain your feedback.

Thanks everyone.

I have come to the conclusion now, which is really common sense; if you are an Indian and your kids go to an Indian International School and you just go to office and do nothing else, then it is pretty much zero chances you will get PR. The main thing about Indians is about integration, since we are known to be of different kind mingling among only ourselves.

If your kids got admission to local school then it is a pretty good chance you can still get PR, if you do other things right. But with kids in international school I would say zero.

I have kind of given up on applying PR ever again for this reason and I would urge all Indians who send your kids to Indian international school to also giveup. I know many of us applied for the local school and we didn't get, but some did get and I think at time they already knew who is potential PR material and who is not.

Some of the Indians would go against all odds and make their kids prepare for the tough AEIS exam and put them into local schools. That shows commitment and such commitment usually gets rewarded.

So I think the ICA is very pragmatic and they can see who is really integrating and willing to sweat it and who is not.

So just ask yourself, do you really see yourself integrating, you know eat at the food court with local friends, etc. Your Facebook friends list probably is also a give away who knows.

So it is all just common sense, they can see through it so it is often a binary chance zero or 100%.

Conditional probability Average probability is often meaningless...

[Justgotfired]

My PR application is pending. I am currently on an EP that will be cancelled in Dec. I am applying for PEP right now to allow me more time to look for another job. I have dependents in SG who are on DP's under my EP. I'm wondering if I should apply for DPs (under PEP) or student pass for my dependents when my current EP expires. Would our PR application be impacted if my dependents are on student passes versus DP's (under PEP)? Thank you!

[gold.spot]

My PR application is pending. I am currently on an EP that will be cancelled in Dec. I am applying for PEP right now to allow me more time to look for another job. I have dependents in SG who are on DP's under my EP. I'm wondering if I should apply for DPs (under PEP) or student pass for my dependents when my current EP expires. Would our PR application be impacted if my dependents are on student passes versus DP's (under PEP)? Thank you!

Your PR application will be impacted if you don't hold gainful employment. You should be looking for a job right away.

[sailtraveller]

Hi everyone,

Thankful to this great forum I have been following since long, this is my first post and would need your expert opinion on my PR case as below :

PR application : 2nd Application Applied in May 2022.
Nationality: Indian
Race: Indian
Marital status: Married
Gender: Male, 38
Immigration status: Employment Pass
Time in Singapore: 6.5 years
Job: software architect/Data Science
Salary: 150K base +50K bonus
Education: Masters from US university (Online), Bachelors in Engineering from India.
Spouse : Indian, MBA from India, 8 Months Employment history in SG on dependent Pass,ex-banker in India. Currently homemaker.
Kids : 7 yr old son, 4 yr old daughter ( both in singapore, Son in school since 2016 (preschool to grade 2), Daughter in SG since 2018
PR 1st application : Rejected in Feb 2020 (applied May 2019)
Difference since last application : 20% salary increase, completion of Masters (non SG/online)

Based on the comments in forum, I would rate myself a 20% chance, thought to share my case (if it helps anyone) and gain your feedback.

Thanks everyone.

I have come to the conclusion now, which is really common sense; if you are an Indian and your kids go to an Indian International School and you just go to office and do nothing else, then it is pretty much zero chances you will get PR. The main thing about Indians is about integration, since we are known to be of different kind mingling among only ourselves.

If your kids got admission to local school then it is a pretty good chance you can still get PR, if you do other things right. But with kids in international school I would say zero.

I have kind of given up on applying PR ever again for this reason and I would urge all Indians who send your kids to Indian international school to also giveup. I know many of us applied for the local school and we didn't get, but some did get and I think at time they already knew who is potential PR material and who is not.

Some of the Indians would go against all odds and make their kids prepare for the tough AEIS exam and put them into local schools. That shows commitment and such commitment usually gets rewarded.

So I think the ICA is very pragmatic and they can see who is really integrating and willing to sweat it and who is not.

So just ask yourself, do you really see yourself integrating, you know eat at the food court with local friends, etc. Your Facebook friends list probably is also a give away who knows.

So it is all just common sense, they can see through it so it is often a binary chance zero or 100%.

Conditional probability Average probability is often meaningless...

Sorry stochastic - you don't have 20% chance of acceptance, you have 0.1-2%.

I have a friend with your same profile, just 1 or 2 yrs older - and also 8 or 9 in SG. involved in AI - snr director position - salary is probably around 350-400k mark plus at least an other half of that (minimum) in RSUs, wife lecturer at uni - both couple super background profile - one boy and one girl, one of them born in SG .. both slightly older .. he has applied every 1 to 2 years, and always gets rejected.

[Bloombloom]

So you mean if child is in local system got good chance?


quote=Wd40 post_id=870806 time=1661009758 user_id=150548]

Hi everyone,

Thankful to this great forum I have been following since long, this is my first post and would need your expert opinion on my PR case as below :

PR application : 2nd Application Applied in May 2022.
Nationality: Indian
Race: Indian
Marital status: Married
Gender: Male, 38
Immigration status: Employment Pass
Time in Singapore: 6.5 years
Job: software architect/Data Science
Salary: 150K base +50K bonus
Education: Masters from US university (Online), Bachelors in Engineering from India.
Spouse : Indian, MBA from India, 8 Months Employment history in SG on dependent Pass,ex-banker in India. Currently homemaker.
Kids : 7 yr old son, 4 yr old daughter ( both in singapore, Son in school since 2016 (preschool to grade 2), Daughter in SG since 2018
PR 1st application : Rejected in Feb 2020 (applied May 2019)
Difference since last application : 20% salary increase, completion of Masters (non SG/online)

Based on the comments in forum, I would rate myself a 20% chance, thought to share my case (if it helps anyone) and gain your feedback.

Thanks everyone.

I have come to the conclusion now, which is really common sense; if you are an Indian and your kids go to an Indian International School and you just go to office and do nothing else, then it is pretty much zero chances you will get PR. The main thing about Indians is about integration, since we are known to be of different kind mingling among only ourselves.

If your kids got admission to local school then it is a pretty good chance you can still get PR, if you do other things right. But with kids in international school I would say zero.

I have kind of given up on applying PR ever again for this reason and I would urge all Indians who send your kids to Indian international school to also giveup. I know many of us applied for the local school and we didn't get, but some did get and I think at time they already knew who is potential PR material and who is not.

Some of the Indians would go against all odds and make their kids prepare for the tough AEIS exam and put them into local schools. That shows commitment and such commitment usually gets rewarded.

So I think the ICA is very pragmatic and they can see who is really integrating and willing to sweat it and who is not.

So just ask yourself, do you really see yourself integrating, you know eat at the food court with local friends, etc. Your Facebook friends list probably is also a give away who knows.

So it is all just common sense, they can see through it so it is often a binary chance zero or 100%.
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[sundaymorningstaple]

So you mean if child is in local system got good chance?

Not necessarily. Context with entire data in application. Every thing more or less ticks the right boxes, then child in local system got good chance?

But everything same but child in Indian School generally would mean parents are looking at ease of reintegration with home system of education. So, while local school isn't a positive point, the foreign school system is a definite negative point. In the local system might be a null factor but in the Indian school may well be a negative factor. Same if you are a high flyer e.g. basic income of over say 250~300K before bonuses/stock options/etc quite often one will be considered a flight risk for another 50 or 100K bump. Has happened too many times so it becomes a negative as PR is supposed to be a stepping stone to SGC. Too many people have used it for a way to stay here with the ability of not having to rapidly finding a job, etc. during tight times in the economy. After a while the data set tend to show who are the biggest culprits both by nationality, race, income level, and even industry. The government is pragmatic. Why give up a valuable PR to someone who is only going to use it in all probability when there is somebody else who will eventually become and SGC and maybe help the country in the process rather than only looking out for themselves.

[Lisafuller]

Hi everyone,

Thankful to this great forum I have been following since long, this is my first post and would need your expert opinion on my PR case as below :

PR application : 2nd Application Applied in May 2022.
Nationality: Indian
Race: Indian
Marital status: Married
Gender: Male, 38
Immigration status: Employment Pass
Time in Singapore: 6.5 years
Job: software architect/Data Science
Salary: 150K base +50K bonus
Education: Masters from US university (Online), Bachelors in Engineering from India.
Spouse : Indian, MBA from India, 8 Months Employment history in SG on dependent Pass,ex-banker in India. Currently homemaker.
Kids : 7 yr old son, 4 yr old daughter ( both in singapore, Son in school since 2016 (preschool to grade 2), Daughter in SG since 2018
PR 1st application : Rejected in Feb 2020 (applied May 2019)
Difference since last application : 20% salary increase, completion of Masters (non SG/online)

Based on the comments in forum, I would rate myself a 20% chance, thought to share my case (if it helps anyone) and gain your feedback.

Thanks everyone.

I have come to the conclusion now, which is really common sense; if you are an Indian and your kids go to an Indian International School and you just go to office and do nothing else, then it is pretty much zero chances you will get PR. The main thing about Indians is about integration, since we are known to be of different kind mingling among only ourselves.

If your kids got admission to local school then it is a pretty good chance you can still get PR, if you do other things right. But with kids in international school I would say zero.

I have kind of given up on applying PR ever again for this reason and I would urge all Indians who send your kids to Indian international school to also giveup. I know many of us applied for the local school and we didn't get, but some did get and I think at time they already knew who is potential PR material and who is not.

Some of the Indians would go against all odds and make their kids prepare for the tough AEIS exam and put them into local schools. That shows commitment and such commitment usually gets rewarded.

So I think the ICA is very pragmatic and they can see who is really integrating and willing to sweat it and who is not.

So just ask yourself, do you really see yourself integrating, you know eat at the food court with local friends, etc. Your Facebook friends list probably is also a give away who knows.

So it is all just common sense, they can see through it so it is often a binary chance zero or 100%.

That’s certainly unencouraging view to take, though I do believe you are speaking from experience. Must be pretty frustrating.

[Lisafuller]

So you mean if child is in local system got good chance?


quote=Wd40 post_id=870806 time=1661009758 user_id=150548]

Hi everyone,

Thankful to this great forum I have been following since long, this is my first post and would need your expert opinion on my PR case as below :

PR application : 2nd Application Applied in May 2022.
Nationality: Indian
Race: Indian
Marital status: Married
Gender: Male, 38
Immigration status: Employment Pass
Time in Singapore: 6.5 years
Job: software architect/Data Science
Salary: 150K base +50K bonus
Education: Masters from US university (Online), Bachelors in Engineering from India.
Spouse : Indian, MBA from India, 8 Months Employment history in SG on dependent Pass,ex-banker in India. Currently homemaker.
Kids : 7 yr old son, 4 yr old daughter ( both in singapore, Son in school since 2016 (preschool to grade 2), Daughter in SG since 2018
PR 1st application : Rejected in Feb 2020 (applied May 2019)
Difference since last application : 20% salary increase, completion of Masters (non SG/online)

Based on the comments in forum, I would rate myself a 20% chance, thought to share my case (if it helps anyone) and gain your feedback.

Thanks everyone.

I have come to the conclusion now, which is really common sense; if you are an Indian and your kids go to an Indian International School and you just go to office and do nothing else, then it is pretty much zero chances you will get PR. The main thing about Indians is about integration, since we are known to be of different kind mingling among only ourselves.

If your kids got admission to local school then it is a pretty good chance you can still get PR, if you do other things right. But with kids in international school I would say zero.

I have kind of given up on applying PR ever again for this reason and I would urge all Indians who send your kids to Indian international school to also giveup. I know many of us applied for the local school and we didn't get, but some did get and I think at time they already knew who is potential PR material and who is not.

Some of the Indians would go against all odds and make their kids prepare for the tough AEIS exam and put them into local schools. That shows commitment and such commitment usually gets rewarded.

So I think the ICA is very pragmatic and they can see who is really integrating and willing to sweat it and who is not.

So just ask yourself, do you really see yourself integrating, you know eat at the food court with local friends, etc. Your Facebook friends list probably is also a give away who knows.

So it is all just common sense, they can see through it so it is often a binary chance zero or 100%.

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No, it can be said that chances will improve, but there’s no way to tell if this is indeed the case and if so by how much. There are countless factors that go into weighing each application, even if your child goes to a local school there may be other parts of your profile the ICA deems undesirable, which may put you back at square one or statue even further back.

[Lisafuller]

Hi everyone,

Thankful to this great forum I have been following since long, this is my first post and would need your expert opinion on my PR case as below :

PR application : 2nd Application Applied in May 2022.
Nationality: Indian
Race: Indian
Marital status: Married
Gender: Male, 38
Immigration status: Employment Pass
Time in Singapore: 6.5 years
Job: software architect/Data Science
Salary: 150K base +50K bonus
Education: Masters from US university (Online), Bachelors in Engineering from India.
Spouse : Indian, MBA from India, 8 Months Employment history in SG on dependent Pass,ex-banker in India. Currently homemaker.
Kids : 7 yr old son, 4 yr old daughter ( both in singapore, Son in school since 2016 (preschool to grade 2), Daughter in SG since 2018
PR 1st application : Rejected in Feb 2020 (applied May 2019)
Difference since last application : 20% salary increase, completion of Masters (non SG/online)

Based on the comments in forum, I would rate myself a 20% chance, thought to share my case (if it helps anyone) and gain your feedback.

Thanks everyone.

I have come to the conclusion now, which is really common sense; if you are an Indian and your kids go to an Indian International School and you just go to office and do nothing else, then it is pretty much zero chances you will get PR. The main thing about Indians is about integration, since we are known to be of different kind mingling among only ourselves.

If your kids got admission to local school then it is a pretty good chance you can still get PR, if you do other things right. But with kids in international school I would say zero.

I have kind of given up on applying PR ever again for this reason and I would urge all Indians who send your kids to Indian international school to also giveup. I know many of us applied for the local school and we didn't get, but some did get and I think at time they already knew who is potential PR material and who is not.

Some of the Indians would go against all odds and make their kids prepare for the tough AEIS exam and put them into local schools. That shows commitment and such commitment usually gets rewarded.

So I think the ICA is very pragmatic and they can see who is really integrating and willing to sweat it and who is not.

So just ask yourself, do you really see yourself integrating, you know eat at the food court with local friends, etc. Your Facebook friends list probably is also a give away who knows.

So it is all just common sense, they can see through it so it is often a binary chance zero or 100%.

Conditional probability Average probability is often meaningless...

Yup, but anyway the ICA plays a crazy game. We can speculate all day but in the end only they can make the final call.

[Lisafuller]

Hi everyone, I've been following this forum for months but this is my first post. I have worked in Singapore for several years and I would love to live here for the long term but I know my chances are quite low for PR.

Nationality: British
Race: White
Marital status: Single
Gender: Male, mid-30s
Immigration status: Employment Pass
Time in Singapore: 5-6 years
Job: Aviation
Salary: SGD 120-150k
Education: Bachelor's from a British university

I have not submitted an application because based on what I understand from reading this forum, my chances are low. Short of marrying a Singaporean, is there anything I can do to give me a realistic chance of getting approval for Singapore PR?

Thanks everyone.

Race works against you, you know your chances are low, and you also seem to know that one of the few things you can do to improve your chances are to marry a Singaporean. If that is not possible, there really isn’t much else that can be done on your end.

[nelyanne]

I have come to the conclusion now, which is really common sense; if you are an Indian and your kids go to an Indian International School and you just go to office and do nothing else, then it is pretty much zero chances you will get PR. The main thing about Indians is about integration, since we are known to be of different kind mingling among only ourselves.

If your kids got admission to local school then it is a pretty good chance you can still get PR, if you do other things right. But with kids in international school I would say zero.

I have kind of given up on applying PR ever again for this reason and I would urge all Indians who send your kids to Indian international school to also giveup. I know many of us applied for the local school and we didn't get, but some did get and I think at time they already knew who is potential PR material and who is not.

Some of the Indians would go against all odds and make their kids prepare for the tough AEIS exam and put them into local schools. That shows commitment and such commitment usually gets rewarded.

So I think the ICA is very pragmatic and they can see who is really integrating and willing to sweat it and who is not.

So just ask yourself, do you really see yourself integrating, you know eat at the food court with local friends, etc. Your Facebook friends list probably is also a give away who knows.

So it is all just common sense, they can see through it so it is often a binary chance zero or 100%.

Conditional probability Average probability is often meaningless...

Sorry stochastic - you don't have 20% chance of acceptance, you have 0.1-2%.

I have a friend with your same profile, just 1 or 2 yrs older - and also 8 or 9 in SG. involved in AI - snr director position - salary is probably around 350-400k mark plus at least an other half of that (minimum) in RSUs, wife lecturer at uni - both couple super background profile - one boy and one girl, one of them born in SG .. both slightly older .. he has applied every 1 to 2 years, and always gets rejected.

You are talking about a completely different case. 150k salary is not even close to 350-400k.

[Lisafuller]

Conditional probability Average probability is often meaningless...

Sorry stochastic - you don't have 20% chance of acceptance, you have 0.1-2%.

I have a friend with your same profile, just 1 or 2 yrs older - and also 8 or 9 in SG. involved in AI - snr director position - salary is probably around 350-400k mark plus at least an other half of that (minimum) in RSUs, wife lecturer at uni - both couple super background profile - one boy and one girl, one of them born in SG .. both slightly older .. he has applied every 1 to 2 years, and always gets rejected.

You are talking about a completely different case. 150k salary is not even close to 350-400k.

Right! 350K, while impressive can be seen as a flight risk in the eyes of the ICA.

[sailtraveller]

Sorry stochastic - you don't have 20% chance of acceptance, you have 0.1-2%.

I have a friend with your same profile, just 1 or 2 yrs older - and also 8 or 9 in SG. involved in AI - snr director position - salary is probably around 350-400k mark plus at least an other half of that (minimum) in RSUs, wife lecturer at uni - both couple super background profile - one boy and one girl, one of them born in SG .. both slightly older .. he has applied every 1 to 2 years, and always gets rejected.

You are talking about a completely different case. 150k salary is not even close to 350-400k.

Right! 350K, while impressive can be seen as a flight risk in the eyes of the ICA.

Sorry for the blur-ness - how does a high salary / IRAS return translate into "flight risk" ?