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Re: PR approval chances 2022

Post by truthhurts1 » Tue, 03 Jan 2023 8:48 am

Wd40 wrote:
Mon, 02 Jan 2023 12:02 pm
truthhurts1 wrote:
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Something new I heard today is of your PR pending shows 4 lines then it’s a good chance else it shows 1 or 2 lines .. anyone knows bout this 😂
I just noticed, my upload documents button is gone. I applied exactly 4 months ago.
Also 4 lines. It is going to be a rejection. The last 6-7 odd times it got rejected, it was like this exactly after 4/6/9 months. As if they just set a timer to reject.

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Mine was rejected after exactly 6 months this time..

I am extremely frustrated to see people here only for 1-2 years with low income and no contributions to IRAS getting PR while Indian people like us struggling..

We should do community service and tell all indians to stop coming here..
Then maybe there is a chance we old timers get a chance for PR

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Re: PR approval chances 2022

Post by smoulder » Tue, 03 Jan 2023 9:45 am

truthhurts1 wrote:
Tue, 03 Jan 2023 8:48 am
Wd40 wrote:
Mon, 02 Jan 2023 12:02 pm
truthhurts1 wrote:
Wed, 30 Nov 2022 2:57 pm
Something new I heard today is of your PR pending shows 4 lines then it’s a good chance else it shows 1 or 2 lines .. anyone knows bout this 😂
I just noticed, my upload documents button is gone. I applied exactly 4 months ago.
Also 4 lines. It is going to be a rejection. The last 6-7 odd times it got rejected, it was like this exactly after 4/6/9 months. As if they just set a timer to reject.

Image



Mine was rejected after exactly 6 months this time..

I am extremely frustrated to see people here only for 1-2 years with low income and no contributions to IRAS getting PR while Indian people like us struggling..

We should do community service and tell all indians to stop coming here..
Then maybe there is a chance we old timers get a chance for PR
What you think that they (ICA) should give priority to matters little. What matters is what they actually consider important.

What you see is a few cherry picked examples of Malaysian Chinese earning low salaries with modest tax contributions. What they see is people who fit right in and won't stick out like sore thumbs (in the eyes of local born citizens). Not to mention that there are also many in that group who are high earners which you conveniently overlooked because it doesn't fit your narrative.

While you feel frustrated at seeing lower paid individuals getting through, the local born folks used to be frustrated at seeing Indian PRs and new citizens who don't want to make any effort to integrate. This was back in the day when they gave out a good number of PRs to Indians and then faced public backlash, the common complaint against us was and still is what I mentioned above.

In the end, it's their country and their decision on who they want to let in and how they calibrate it. I'm sure you've read enough about it in these forums and probably come across the more hyberbolic variants in forums such as HWZ (specifically EDMW), so this should not come as a surprise.

PS - I personally know Indians from that first batch who got themselves PRs and some became citizens. Some are here for 20 years, some longer. I haven't met one who I can say is actually integrating in any way possible. I accept that we will never fit right in, there will always be differences. But imagine guys who still follow Indian politics actively till the extent that they keep bringing it up in conversations with local colleagues. They have little to talk about as far as local content (aka Singapore and the neighborhood) is concerned. In conversations, they endlessly talk about India - people here don't care and in fact don't want to be compared with countries like India. If you have lived here for 20 years and still don't get that, you still refer to India the country with its problems as "we" when you have a conversation with a Singaporean, it means that you have been living in an Indian bubble. This is not a diss against India or Indians but I'm just saying what I see. You see it with most other nationalities as well which is why there is always a simmering discontent when a large number of them congregate in a small part of a tiny country with such a large population overall. Then you can appreciate why the selection criteria here are not like Canada or Australia or the UK.

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Re: PR approval chances 2022

Post by truthhurts1 » Tue, 03 Jan 2023 3:02 pm

smoulder wrote:
Tue, 03 Jan 2023 9:45 am
truthhurts1 wrote:
Tue, 03 Jan 2023 8:48 am
Wd40 wrote:
Mon, 02 Jan 2023 12:02 pm


I just noticed, my upload documents button is gone. I applied exactly 4 months ago.
Also 4 lines. It is going to be a rejection. The last 6-7 odd times it got rejected, it was like this exactly after 4/6/9 months. As if they just set a timer to reject.

Image



Mine was rejected after exactly 6 months this time..

I am extremely frustrated to see people here only for 1-2 years with low income and no contributions to IRAS getting PR while Indian people like us struggling..

We should do community service and tell all indians to stop coming here..
Then maybe there is a chance we old timers get a chance for PR
What you think that they (ICA) should give priority to matters little. What matters is what they actually consider important.

What you see is a few cherry picked examples of Malaysian Chinese earning low salaries with modest tax contributions. What they see is people who fit right in and won't stick out like sore thumbs (in the eyes of local born citizens). Not to mention that there are also many in that group who are high earners which you conveniently overlooked because it doesn't fit your narrative.

While you feel frustrated at seeing lower paid individuals getting through, the local born folks used to be frustrated at seeing Indian PRs and new citizens who don't want to make any effort to integrate. This was back in the day when they gave out a good number of PRs to Indians and then faced public backlash, the common complaint against us was and still is what I mentioned above.

In the end, it's their country and their decision on who they want to let in and how they calibrate it. I'm sure you've read enough about it in these forums and probably come across the more hyberbolic variants in forums such as HWZ (specifically EDMW), so this should not come as a surprise.

PS - I personally know Indians from that first batch who got themselves PRs and some became citizens. Some are here for 20 years, some longer. I haven't met one who I can say is actually integrating in any way possible. I accept that we will never fit right in, there will always be differences. But imagine guys who still follow Indian politics actively till the extent that they keep bringing it up in conversations with local colleagues. They have little to talk about as far as local content (aka Singapore and the neighborhood) is concerned. In conversations, they endlessly talk about India - people here don't care and in fact don't want to be compared with countries like India. If you have lived here for 20 years and still don't get that, you still refer to India the country with its problems as "we" when you have a conversation with a Singaporean, it means that you have been living in an Indian bubble. This is not a diss against India or Indians but I'm just saying what I see. You see it with most other nationalities as well which is why there is always a simmering discontent when a large number of them congregate in a small part of a tiny country with such a large population overall. Then you can appreciate why the selection criteria here are not like Canada or Australia or the UK.

Very good points..and I agree to most of them.
Sorry my response was out of a bit of dissatisfaction as I believe that I really integrated into singapore but I have not been able to demonstrate it in the correct way.
The only way to show it is maybe make a proper base and create family ties here by getting married, something that I have been putting off,I am lucky to find a girl whose willing to accept me in spite of my back ground and origin.

Only if I was active on this forum a few years ago and really understood the meaning of what integrating here is.

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Re: PR approval chances 2022

Post by MOCHS » Tue, 03 Jan 2023 3:57 pm

^ Your gf is a PR, right? Marry her, wait for 2 years of marriage, then ask her to sponsor your PR. Family ties scheme is a bit easier than PTS scheme.

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Re: PR approval chances 2022

Post by truthhurts1 » Tue, 03 Jan 2023 4:22 pm

MOCHS wrote:
Tue, 03 Jan 2023 3:57 pm
^ Your gf is a PR, right? Marry her, wait for 2 years of marriage, then ask her to sponsor your PR. Family ties scheme is a bit easier than PTS scheme.

Yes I will do that.Best way to proceed.. :D

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Post by singaporeflyer » Tue, 03 Jan 2023 4:46 pm

MOCHS wrote:
Tue, 03 Jan 2023 3:57 pm
^ Your gf is a PR, right? Marry her, wait for 2 years of marriage, then ask her to sponsor your PR. Family ties scheme is a bit easier than PTS scheme.
Is surely better, but not very high chance like a SC sponsored PR application. I know PR whose spouse are still on LTVP for close to a decade and longer.

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Re: PR approval chances 2022

Post by smoulder » Tue, 03 Jan 2023 4:48 pm

truthhurts1 wrote:
Tue, 03 Jan 2023 3:02 pm
smoulder wrote:
Tue, 03 Jan 2023 9:45 am
truthhurts1 wrote:
Tue, 03 Jan 2023 8:48 am





Mine was rejected after exactly 6 months this time..

I am extremely frustrated to see people here only for 1-2 years with low income and no contributions to IRAS getting PR while Indian people like us struggling..

We should do community service and tell all indians to stop coming here..
Then maybe there is a chance we old timers get a chance for PR
What you think that they (ICA) should give priority to matters little. What matters is what they actually consider important.

What you see is a few cherry picked examples of Malaysian Chinese earning low salaries with modest tax contributions. What they see is people who fit right in and won't stick out like sore thumbs (in the eyes of local born citizens). Not to mention that there are also many in that group who are high earners which you conveniently overlooked because it doesn't fit your narrative.

While you feel frustrated at seeing lower paid individuals getting through, the local born folks used to be frustrated at seeing Indian PRs and new citizens who don't want to make any effort to integrate. This was back in the day when they gave out a good number of PRs to Indians and then faced public backlash, the common complaint against us was and still is what I mentioned above.

In the end, it's their country and their decision on who they want to let in and how they calibrate it. I'm sure you've read enough about it in these forums and probably come across the more hyberbolic variants in forums such as HWZ (specifically EDMW), so this should not come as a surprise.

PS - I personally know Indians from that first batch who got themselves PRs and some became citizens. Some are here for 20 years, some longer. I haven't met one who I can say is actually integrating in any way possible. I accept that we will never fit right in, there will always be differences. But imagine guys who still follow Indian politics actively till the extent that they keep bringing it up in conversations with local colleagues. They have little to talk about as far as local content (aka Singapore and the neighborhood) is concerned. In conversations, they endlessly talk about India - people here don't care and in fact don't want to be compared with countries like India. If you have lived here for 20 years and still don't get that, you still refer to India the country with its problems as "we" when you have a conversation with a Singaporean, it means that you have been living in an Indian bubble. This is not a diss against India or Indians but I'm just saying what I see. You see it with most other nationalities as well which is why there is always a simmering discontent when a large number of them congregate in a small part of a tiny country with such a large population overall. Then you can appreciate why the selection criteria here are not like Canada or Australia or the UK.

Very good points..and I agree to most of them.
Sorry my response was out of a bit of dissatisfaction as I believe that I really integrated into singapore but I have not been able to demonstrate it in the correct way.
The only way to show it is maybe make a proper base and create family ties here by getting married, something that I have been putting off,I am lucky to find a girl whose willing to accept me in spite of my back ground and origin.

Only if I was active on this forum a few years ago and really understood the meaning of what integrating here is.
Yes, from what you describe, you are probably better integrated than many others before you. You already have the answer - the ICA has no way of knowing this.

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Post by MOCHS » Tue, 03 Jan 2023 4:55 pm

singaporeflyer wrote:
Tue, 03 Jan 2023 4:46 pm
Is surely better, but not very high chance like a SC sponsored PR application. I know PR whose spouse are still on LTVP for close to a decade and longer.
Another way is they get married, his wife applies for SC after that while they wait for 2 years of marriage. Hopefully the SC application outcome will be finalised by the time his PR application rolls around.

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Re: PR approval chances 2022

Post by Wd40 » Tue, 03 Jan 2023 6:33 pm

truthhurts1 wrote:
Tue, 03 Jan 2023 4:22 pm
MOCHS wrote:
Tue, 03 Jan 2023 3:57 pm
^ Your gf is a PR, right? Marry her, wait for 2 years of marriage, then ask her to sponsor your PR. Family ties scheme is a bit easier than PTS scheme.

Yes I will do that.Best way to proceed.. :D
You are treating this as if you have like many options on the table. You have none. Infact, if I was in your place, I would give myself pretty much 0 chance to get PR even after marrying a PR. There are so many people who are trying to get PR under PTS scheme and they are being continuously rejected. It seems they re-evaluate the criteria for PR again for the main applicant and if the criteria fails, they just keep rejecting the dependent PR application.

The only thing you are assured after marrying a PR is if you lose your job, you can apply for LTVP and continue staying here.

Is your girlfriend from Malaysia? If yes, then the other option is to marry and then explore some sort of residency in Malaysia.

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Re: PR approval chances 2022

Post by truthhurts1 » Wed, 04 Jan 2023 8:37 am

Wd40 wrote:
Tue, 03 Jan 2023 6:33 pm
truthhurts1 wrote:
Tue, 03 Jan 2023 4:22 pm
MOCHS wrote:
Tue, 03 Jan 2023 3:57 pm
^ Your gf is a PR, right? Marry her, wait for 2 years of marriage, then ask her to sponsor your PR. Family ties scheme is a bit easier than PTS scheme.

Yes I will do that.Best way to proceed.. :D
You are treating this as if you have like many options on the table. You have none. Infact, if I was in your place, I would give myself pretty much 0 chance to get PR even after marrying a PR. There are so many people who are trying to get PR under PTS scheme and they are being continuously rejected. It seems they re-evaluate the criteria for PR again for the main applicant and if the criteria fails, they just keep rejecting the dependent PR application.

The only thing you are assured after marrying a PR is if you lose your job, you can apply for LTVP and continue staying here.

Is your girlfriend from Malaysia? If yes, then the other option is to marry and then explore some sort of residency in Malaysia.

Sure sir understand and noted very well.
But assume that the chances might be better than most Indians that keep applying and getting rejected under PTS scheme.
Malaysia is a good option too of course, but my gf will be applying for SC in near future .

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Re: PR approval chances 2022

Post by truthhurts1 » Wed, 04 Jan 2023 8:38 am

truthhurts1 wrote:
Wed, 04 Jan 2023 8:37 am
Wd40 wrote:
Tue, 03 Jan 2023 6:33 pm
truthhurts1 wrote:
Tue, 03 Jan 2023 4:22 pm



Yes I will do that.Best way to proceed.. :D
You are treating this as if you have like many options on the table. You have none. Infact, if I was in your place, I would give myself pretty much 0 chance to get PR even after marrying a PR. There are so many people who are trying to get PR under PTS scheme and they are being continuously rejected. It seems they re-evaluate the criteria for PR again for the main applicant and if the criteria fails, they just keep rejecting the dependent PR application.

The only thing you are assured after marrying a PR is if you lose your job, you can apply for LTVP and continue staying here.

Is your girlfriend from Malaysia? If yes, then the other option is to marry and then explore some sort of residency in Malaysia.

Sure sir understand and noted very well.
But assume that the chances might be better than me keep applying and getting rejected under PTS scheme.
Malaysia is a good option too of course, but my gf will be applying for SC in near future .

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Re: PR approval chances 2022

Post by smoulder » Wed, 04 Jan 2023 8:55 am

truthhurts1 wrote:
Wed, 04 Jan 2023 8:37 am
Wd40 wrote:
Tue, 03 Jan 2023 6:33 pm
truthhurts1 wrote:
Tue, 03 Jan 2023 4:22 pm



Yes I will do that.Best way to proceed.. :D
You are treating this as if you have like many options on the table. You have none. Infact, if I was in your place, I would give myself pretty much 0 chance to get PR even after marrying a PR. There are so many people who are trying to get PR under PTS scheme and they are being continuously rejected. It seems they re-evaluate the criteria for PR again for the main applicant and if the criteria fails, they just keep rejecting the dependent PR application.

The only thing you are assured after marrying a PR is if you lose your job, you can apply for LTVP and continue staying here.

Is your girlfriend from Malaysia? If yes, then the other option is to marry and then explore some sort of residency in Malaysia.

Sure sir understand and noted very well.
But assume that the chances might be better than most Indians that keep applying and getting rejected under PTS scheme.
Malaysia is a good option too of course, but my gf will be applying for SC in near future .
On a side note, if you ever consider Singapore as a place to retire, you would do well to start setting aside some money for it. This is a very expensive place to retire. Much more than tier 1 Indian cities.

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Re: PR approval chances 2022

Post by the observer » Wed, 04 Jan 2023 10:57 am

smoulder wrote:
Wed, 04 Jan 2023 8:55 am
truthhurts1 wrote:
Wed, 04 Jan 2023 8:37 am
Wd40 wrote:
Tue, 03 Jan 2023 6:33 pm


You are treating this as if you have like many options on the table. You have none. Infact, if I was in your place, I would give myself pretty much 0 chance to get PR even after marrying a PR. There are so many people who are trying to get PR under PTS scheme and they are being continuously rejected. It seems they re-evaluate the criteria for PR again for the main applicant and if the criteria fails, they just keep rejecting the dependent PR application.

The only thing you are assured after marrying a PR is if you lose your job, you can apply for LTVP and continue staying here.

Is your girlfriend from Malaysia? If yes, then the other option is to marry and then explore some sort of residency in Malaysia.

Sure sir understand and noted very well.
But assume that the chances might be better than most Indians that keep applying and getting rejected under PTS scheme.
Malaysia is a good option too of course, but my gf will be applying for SC in near future .
On a side note, if you ever consider Singapore as a place to retire, you would do well to start setting aside some money for it. This is a very expensive place to retire. Much more than tier 1 Indian cities.
Cmon. Wd40 gets by with very little money spent a year. He'd say otherwise.

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Re: PR approval chances 2022

Post by the observer » Wed, 04 Jan 2023 10:58 am

truthhurts1 wrote:
Wed, 04 Jan 2023 8:37 am
Wd40 wrote:
Tue, 03 Jan 2023 6:33 pm
truthhurts1 wrote:
Tue, 03 Jan 2023 4:22 pm



Yes I will do that.Best way to proceed.. :D
You are treating this as if you have like many options on the table. You have none. Infact, if I was in your place, I would give myself pretty much 0 chance to get PR even after marrying a PR. There are so many people who are trying to get PR under PTS scheme and they are being continuously rejected. It seems they re-evaluate the criteria for PR again for the main applicant and if the criteria fails, they just keep rejecting the dependent PR application.

The only thing you are assured after marrying a PR is if you lose your job, you can apply for LTVP and continue staying here.

Is your girlfriend from Malaysia? If yes, then the other option is to marry and then explore some sort of residency in Malaysia.

Sure sir understand and noted very well.
But assume that the chances might be better than most Indians that keep applying and getting rejected under PTS scheme.
Malaysia is a good option too of course, but my gf will be applying for SC in near future .
Malaysia looks like a good place to retire, at present.
But politically, if the Islamic party PAS is to gain further ground, I'd re-assess.
They were so close to administrating M'sia this election.

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Re: PR approval chances 2022

Post by singaporeflyer » Wed, 04 Jan 2023 12:24 pm

the observer wrote:
Wed, 04 Jan 2023 10:57 am
smoulder wrote:
Wed, 04 Jan 2023 8:55 am
truthhurts1 wrote:
Wed, 04 Jan 2023 8:37 am



Sure sir understand and noted very well.
But assume that the chances might be better than most Indians that keep applying and getting rejected under PTS scheme.
Malaysia is a good option too of course, but my gf will be applying for SC in near future .
On a side note, if you ever consider Singapore as a place to retire, you would do well to start setting aside some money for it. This is a very expensive place to retire. Much more than tier 1 Indian cities.
Cmon. Wd40 gets by with very little money spent a year. He'd say otherwise.
If you have an own house , are healthy and ok with living a simple life - Living in Singapore can still be not expensive.

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