PR approval chances 2022

[sundaymorningstaple]

I want to show my interest and I would continue. I don't see this as short-term things. My question was - If any of these shows my commitment; If yes - I would do it ;

If you want to show your sincerity to ICA, don't do any of the above as you will be initiating them after your initial application. They no longer work anyway due to the blatant abuse in years gone by. About the only way they would have any bearing on anything is if you had been doing them without an ulterior motive for a number of years prior to making the decision to apply for PR. Basically, if you are not altruistic by nature, don't waste your time as it's a useless endeavor thanks to those who came before you and royally burned those bridges for everybody else.

Additionally, even if you marry the girl, you need to be (anecdotally, anyway) married around 2 years as you have already made one application as a single individual so a "New" marriage will look like a "marriage of convenience". The ICA has see far too many of them over the years so now they are pretty clued in and tend to err on the side a caution (hence the 2 years of marriage). This can possibly be shortened to bit longer than one year if the spouse can produce offspring around the one year anniversary (one tends to be a bit more committed once there are children involved).

Oh, one other thing that ICA is worried about is the fact that a high percentage of East-West marriages never make it past 2 years so they are protective of their womenfolk as they are the future baby ovens for NS men. (It is what it is..) The gahment is very pragmatic and has to consider everything for the propagation of future Singaporeans & NS Men.

Yes, This board had a very high percentage of long-term East-West marriages that have withstood the test of time (most of us have offspring as well). In fact most of the long timers here are of that type. Myself included.

[NYY1]

I want to show my interest and I would continue. I don't see this as short-term things. My question was - If any of these shows my commitment; If yes - I would do it ;

I think SMS reply says it best. The thing is, if you were interested, you would already be doing these things. The question is NOT if they show one's commitment then he/she would do it.

We see this is other areas as well (and not just those applying for PR). There are people who are active members of their community and do it with no expectation of any return. There are also others who put in their time for a certain letter and then disappear once they have what they need. It's all within the rules and it is what it is. But you can see the difference; one does it because that's what he/she does while the other does it as part of an exchange/window dressing (another good example would be church volunteers; they are usually active because it is important to them despite getting nothing explicit or tangible in return).

FWIW, even if you are truly interested in some of these things, I also think it actually hurts more than it helps (the application) at this stage. As I said earlier, I don't think there is much you can do to change your odds. I would go even further saying there is nothing you can do to change the odds reapplying in 1-2 years. You will either get it or you won't.

Best of luck and regards.

PS: if you want to partake in the aforementioned activities, just start doing them but don't list them on your application. 5-10 years later they may be something that has had a profound impact on you and your family members.

[sundaymorningstaple]

NYY1, couldn't have said it better myself. I've actually been an Asst Office bearer in our RC and I'm also a member of the Constituency C2E group. I've been an RC member I believe for either 14 or 15 years (I'm think I'm due for my 15 year medallion this coming year). I joined my RC 15 years ago after my children had long finished schooling and were working (but still living at home) and I'd already sold my car before then so didn't need the free parking either I've never partaken of any of the few perks that are offered, although I have met the PM on 2 separate occasions (Istana Picnic held annually (except during the covid years.) But, while I'm not a hard-core do-gooder, I also worked for 3.5 years under UNHCR during the period of 1988~1991 resettling VN Boat People throughout ASEAN refugee camps as well (that was a sort of penance). Spent a huge amount of time on P. Galang as well.

[MOCHS]

If you were truly altruistic, you would have volunteered anywhere you went since a young age. You would have started it the moment you relocated to SG. Now you start because you want PR, ICA can see through your motives. Don’t take advantage of the disadvantaged and cast them aside when you get blue IC. Many Indian nationals abused the volunteer option to death in the past and ICA does not care for it anymore. Don’t waste anyone’s time.

[smoulder]

I want to show my interest and I would continue. I don't see this as short-term things. My question was - If any of these shows my commitment; If yes - I would do it ;

If you want to show your sincerity to ICA, don't do any of the above as you will be initiating them after your initial application. They no longer work anyway due to the blatant abuse in years gone by. About the only way they would have any bearing on anything is if you had been doing them without an ulterior motive for a number of years prior to making the decision to apply for PR. Basically, if you are not altruistic by nature, don't waste your time as it's a useless endeavor thanks to those who came before you and royally burned those bridges for everybody else.

Additionally, even if you marry the girl, you need to be (anecdotally, anyway) married around 2 years as you have already made one application as a single individual so a "New" marriage will look like a "marriage of convenience". The ICA has see far too many of them over the years so now they are pretty clued in and tend to err on the side a caution (hence the 2 years of marriage). This can possibly be shortened to bit longer than one year if the spouse can produce offspring around the one year anniversary (one tends to be a bit more committed once there are children involved).

Oh, one other thing that ICA is worried about is the fact that a high percentage of East-West marriages never make it past 2 years so they are protective of their womenfolk as they are the future baby ovens for NS men. (It is what it is..) The gahment is very pragmatic and has to consider everything for the propagation of future Singaporeans & NS Men.

Yes, This board had a very high percentage of long-term East-West marriages that have withstood the test of time (most of us have offspring as well). In fact most of the long timers here are of that type. Myself included.

East West marriages? I think he's already married - and it's an Indian Indian marriage

In that context, I think the point about abuse of volunteering is even more important, considering that perception is that it is Indians who have done the bulk of the abusing.

[sundaymorningstaple]

East West marriages? I think he's already married - and it's an Indian Indian marriage

In that context, I think the point about abuse of volunteering is even more important, considering that perception is that it is Indians who have done the bulk of the abusing.

Oops. I somehow had it in my mind the other thread, so, yeah, the marriage of convenience thingy doesn't apply to him. It's been a rough week and I'm only half way through.

[kiku123]

Thanks guys ...

[smoulder]

East West marriages? I think he's already married - and it's an Indian Indian marriage

In that context, I think the point about abuse of volunteering is even more important, considering that perception is that it is Indians who have done the bulk of the abusing.

Oops. I somehow had it in my mind the other thread, so, yeah, the marriage of convenience thingy doesn't apply to him. It's been a rough week and I'm only half way through.

Hope everything is alright...

[sundaymorningstaple]

That is the problem with dementia, they have good weeks and bad weeks. When it bad, it's nerve-wracking for the caregivers and anybody else in the household. Good weeks are a misnomer though. None are good, just some are worse than others. I'll survive. I've had plenty of practice over the past 25 years. But as I age, it's get's harder and hard on me. I dread when she loses her mobility which is dwindling rapidly. I'm gonna wish I been on your weight lifting regime for the last 5 years!!! LOL

[singaporeflyer]

I want to show my interest and I would continue. I don't see this as short-term things. My question was - If any of these shows my commitment; If yes - I would do it ;

If you do it for may be 4-5 years, then yes show commitment. just before your application - No, doesn't show.

[Remrt]

Is it true race/religion plays a part?

[MOCHS]

Is it true race/religion plays a part?

PR has a racial quota. You belong under “Others” category which has the biggest number of applicants for the smallest quota.

Ask your spouse to sponsor your PR after March 2023 when you hit 2 years of marriage.

You never state what gender, educational level, industry & age both of you are.

[Remrt]

Thanks

[kiku123]

I want to show my interest and I would continue. I don't see this as short-term things. My question was - If any of these shows my commitment; If yes - I would do it ;

If you do it for may be 4-5 years, then yes show commitment. just before your application - No, doesn't show.

This answers my question - I am happy to do - wait for 4-5 years and re-apply

[sundaymorningstaple]

I want to show my interest and I would continue. I don't see this as short-term things. My question was - If any of these shows my commitment; If yes - I would do it ;

If you do it for may be 4-5 years, then yes show commitment. just before your application - No, doesn't show.

This answers my question - I am happy to do - wait for 4-5 years and re-apply

Question. If you were not planning on applying for PR would you still do it? If you answer is no, then please don't do it as we don't need that type of volunteers. We want volunteers who are interested in helping others. That is what altruistic means. It's not for future gain. We want people who are dependable and not there in just name only. And yes, I have a long history in helping people.