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Re: PR approval chances 2022

Post by Lisafuller » Thu, 27 Oct 2022 12:30 am

the observer wrote:
Thu, 20 Oct 2022 10:00 am
smoulder wrote:
Thu, 20 Oct 2022 9:47 am
truthhurts1 wrote:
Thu, 20 Oct 2022 6:18 am



Bro why do you assume that people making 6 figures higher than 180K like us do not integrate??

I have singaporean friends only, I do not even know any indian people here .. I eat at the hawker centre most of my meals,
Can you tell me how to integrate further and how does the ICA know without an interview based on some few papers and documents of the PR application.. Thank you.
This has been answered many times.

Integration cannot be measured through an interview. They are not that stupid.

They most likely look for other signs. Malaysians for instance get easy approvals even with lower salaries because they come "pre integrated". For the rest, if you tick enough of other boxes, a "simple" matter of being in a stable marriage with a citizen or perhaps a PR might get you over the line - in your case, the ICA has no way of knowing that you are eating only Nasi lemak and mee pok, chatting with coffee shop aunties and dating a Malaysian SPR. Had you taken a "risk" and tied the knot, the outcome might have been different.

Also, to your comment that it's not necessary that expats earning 180 K and above don't all live in bubbles - there are probably exceptions, but look around you. There are plenty of people living in expat bubbles - Indians, Caucasians and Filipinos are the most obvious ones that come to mind.
Most Indian colleagues that I know, 8/10, enter into pre arranged marriages that their parents set up. So, marrying a local isn’t an option.
Arranged marriages are still this common? Nothing against the idea, but I just thought they wouldn't still be as big a thing now, with all the talk about progressiveness and freedom of choice.

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Re: PR approval chances 2022

Post by Lisafuller » Thu, 27 Oct 2022 12:32 am

smoulder wrote:
Thu, 20 Oct 2022 10:36 am
simple_guy wrote:
Thu, 20 Oct 2022 10:31 am
smoulder wrote:
Thu, 20 Oct 2022 10:28 am


You can disagree all you want to, but you just have to look at the profiles of those who are being approved to deduce that it's apparently what matters to the ICA who make the decisions.
Agree, Smoulder! Its what matters to the ICA and not what I and you say!
Well, anecdotal evidence suggests that what I'm saying is probably what they think. Similarly it logically follows from the fact that they have a separate application category called "family ties". If that isn't enough indication about what matters to them, then I don't know what is.
Right, the government is huge on families, marrying a local and having a kid pretty much guarantees you citizenship.

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Re: PR approval chances 2022

Post by smoulder » Thu, 27 Oct 2022 12:34 am

Lisafuller wrote:
Thu, 27 Oct 2022 12:30 am
the observer wrote:
Thu, 20 Oct 2022 10:00 am
smoulder wrote:
Thu, 20 Oct 2022 9:47 am

This has been answered many times.

Integration cannot be measured through an interview. They are not that stupid.

They most likely look for other signs. Malaysians for instance get easy approvals even with lower salaries because they come "pre integrated". For the rest, if you tick enough of other boxes, a "simple" matter of being in a stable marriage with a citizen or perhaps a PR might get you over the line - in your case, the ICA has no way of knowing that you are eating only Nasi lemak and mee pok, chatting with coffee shop aunties and dating a Malaysian SPR. Had you taken a "risk" and tied the knot, the outcome might have been different.

Also, to your comment that it's not necessary that expats earning 180 K and above don't all live in bubbles - there are probably exceptions, but look around you. There are plenty of people living in expat bubbles - Indians, Caucasians and Filipinos are the most obvious ones that come to mind.
Most Indian colleagues that I know, 8/10, enter into pre arranged marriages that their parents set up. So, marrying a local isn’t an option.
Arranged marriages are still this common? Nothing against the idea, but I just thought they wouldn't still be as big a thing now, with all the talk about progressiveness and freedom of choice.
Quite common, although the exact numbers?he basically made those up :)

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Re: PR approval chances 2022

Post by Lisafuller » Thu, 27 Oct 2022 12:35 am

MOCHS wrote:
Thu, 20 Oct 2022 6:04 pm
simple_guy wrote:
Thu, 20 Oct 2022 9:56 am
I just want to put my view, when I came here I was surprised to see that in public transport everyone is busy looking at their on phone. I have a nature where I want to talk to a fellow passenger and know about each other. How to do that?...of course after COVID situation got changed. But still I want to say hello and hi when I am walking and see people.
It’s not in our nature to make small talk with strangers. We just want to unwind and relax in our own headspace on public transport. With the rise of scams, we may think the stranger is trying to swindle us, so excuse us for being cautious.

It’s unheard of to meet up with a stranger you met on the train/bus. If I’m only seated next to you for 30 mins max, I am not obligated to give you my life story or bond with you, ya know? I don’t even know you.

You can small talk with your neighbours in the the lift and get to know them better. That isn’t weird at all. You’re gonna meet them daily for an extended period of time. Or if you order your kopi or lunch/dinner from the same coffeeshop stall daily, you can make small talk.
Right, and honestly after a long day of work, nobody has the energy to make small talk with someone they don't know. Singaporeans are pragmatic people, if they know they'll never see you again, they're not going to waste time making an impression.

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Re: PR approval chances 2022

Post by Lisafuller » Thu, 27 Oct 2022 12:36 am

simple_guy wrote:
Thu, 20 Oct 2022 7:12 pm
MOCHS wrote:
Thu, 20 Oct 2022 6:04 pm
simple_guy wrote:
Thu, 20 Oct 2022 9:56 am
I just want to put my view, when I came here I was surprised to see that in public transport everyone is busy looking at their on phone. I have a nature where I want to talk to a fellow passenger and know about each other. How to do that?...of course after COVID situation got changed. But still I want to say hello and hi when I am walking and see people.
It’s not in our nature to make small talk with strangers. We just want to unwind and relax in our own headspace on public transport. With the rise of scams, we may think the stranger is trying to swindle us, so excuse us for being cautious.

It’s unheard of to meet up with a stranger you met on the train/bus. If I’m only seated next to you for 30 mins max, I am not obligated to give you my life story or bond with you, ya know? I don’t even know you.

You can small talk with your neighbours in the the lift and get to know them better. That isn’t weird at all. You’re gonna meet them daily for an extended period of time. Or if you order your kopi or lunch/dinner from the same coffeeshop stall daily, you can make small talk.
Everyone has neighbors whether s/he stays in HDB or condo with whom they can talk, make friendship & learn about each other culture which can be part of integration. But here some posts says that the people who stays in HDB are preferred, is this true?
The type of housing you reside in has no bearing on your relationship with your neighbors, unless, of course, you live in a bungalow, in which case you may not even have neighbors to have a relationship with.

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Re: PR approval chances 2022

Post by Lisafuller » Thu, 27 Oct 2022 12:37 am

smoulder wrote:
Thu, 27 Oct 2022 12:29 am
Lisafuller wrote:
Thu, 27 Oct 2022 12:26 am
smoulder wrote:
Thu, 20 Oct 2022 9:47 am

This has been answered many times.

Integration cannot be measured through an interview. They are not that stupid.

They most likely look for other signs. Malaysians for instance get easy approvals even with lower salaries because they come "pre integrated". For the rest, if you tick enough of other boxes, a "simple" matter of being in a stable marriage with a citizen or perhaps a PR might get you over the line - in your case, the ICA has no way of knowing that you are eating only Nasi lemak and mee pok, chatting with coffee shop aunties and dating a Malaysian SPR. Had you taken a "risk" and tied the knot, the outcome might have been different.

Also, to your comment that it's not necessary that expats earning 180 K and above don't all live in bubbles - there are probably exceptions, but look around you. There are plenty of people living in expat bubbles - Indians, Caucasians and Filipinos are the most obvious ones that come to mind.
Exactly, and if they did try to measure level of integration through an interview, this would be massively unfair to those who let's say, aren't as articulate, or prefer food from back home over local fare (silly examples but you get my point).
Put another way, interviews would favor folks who can bullshit better.
Blunt but true!

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Re: PR approval chances 2022

Post by Lisafuller » Thu, 27 Oct 2022 12:38 am

smoulder wrote:
Thu, 27 Oct 2022 12:34 am
Lisafuller wrote:
Thu, 27 Oct 2022 12:30 am
the observer wrote:
Thu, 20 Oct 2022 10:00 am


Most Indian colleagues that I know, 8/10, enter into pre arranged marriages that their parents set up. So, marrying a local isn’t an option.
Arranged marriages are still this common? Nothing against the idea, but I just thought they wouldn't still be as big a thing now, with all the talk about progressiveness and freedom of choice.
Quite common, although the exact numbers?he basically made those up :)
That's interesting! I don't have many Indian colleagues, and the ones I do have are very young and unmarried. But then again, they don't seem very traditional at all, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did not partake in the tradition.

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Re: PR approval chances 2022

Post by MOCHS » Thu, 27 Oct 2022 7:54 am

Not really arranged marriage but more of matchmaking. I knew a few female Indian SCs my age & younger who had a matchmaker. They are given the freedom to find their own Mr Right but sometimes work/school makes it difficult to find a suitable partner so they are open to matchmaking.

The matchmaker & their family screens through potential guys, and she is shown their photos. If she is interested, she can just chat with them with no obligations that it becomes marriage.

Did know one female Indian SC who was matched with a guy from India. She told me they chatted via text & video, she found herself liking him. I think she flew over a couple of times to meet him in person, then they dated for a year before getting married. They had ceremonies in India & SG. Her hubby got LTVP -> EP -> PR within a few years. Helps that their union produced two boys. She is very happy now.

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Re: PR approval chances 2022

Post by TanKianWee » Thu, 27 Oct 2022 7:58 am

Hi All,

I would like to know my approval chances, I am planning to apply Singapore PR next year with my wife and my son. We have moved from Singapore to Malaysia since March 2020 till now close to 3 years residing in Malaysia, and I am work from home for Singapore company.

Hope that you can advise my chances.

Details :

My Profile:
Age : 39 (born in Year 1983)
Race : Malaysian Chinese
Gender : Male
Marital Status : Married
Religion : Buddhist
Education : Degree in Software Engineer (UK), Master Degree in Software Engineer (Malaysia) (Part Time)
Current Field of Work : Credit Services, Finance
Current Job : Associate Solution Engineer
Length of stay in Singapore : 2 Year 10 Months
No of tax return : Year 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021 NOA
Salary Declared with IRAS 2022 Assessment : SGD69,197
Pass : EP (Renewed in 25 December 2019) (Second Time Renewing will be expiring in 23 April 2023)

My Wife:
Age : 40 (born in Year 1982)
Race : Burmese
Religion : Christian
Education : Primary School
Job : House wife

My Son:
Age : 2 (born in Year 2020)
Race : Malaysian Chinese
Gender : Male
Religion : Christian

Third Application Rejected Date : 29 June 2020
Application Date : 27 December 2019
Pending Interval : 6 Months 2 Days
Pass : EP
Remarks : ePR Application, Apply with my wife (Appointed Migration Agency to assist for submission)

Second Application Rejected Date : 13 May 2019
Application Date : 5 January 2019
Rejected Interval : 4 Months 8 Days
Pass : EP
Remarks : ePR Application, Only myself without applying with wife

First Application Rejected Date : 6 July 2018
Application Date : 6 December 2017
Rejected Interval : 7 Months
Pass : EP
Remarks : Manual Application, Only myself without applying with wife

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Re: PR approval chances 2022

Post by simple_guy » Thu, 27 Oct 2022 8:36 am

Lisafuller wrote:
Thu, 27 Oct 2022 12:36 am
simple_guy wrote:
Thu, 20 Oct 2022 7:12 pm
MOCHS wrote:
Thu, 20 Oct 2022 6:04 pm


It’s not in our nature to make small talk with strangers. We just want to unwind and relax in our own headspace on public transport. With the rise of scams, we may think the stranger is trying to swindle us, so excuse us for being cautious.

It’s unheard of to meet up with a stranger you met on the train/bus. If I’m only seated next to you for 30 mins max, I am not obligated to give you my life story or bond with you, ya know? I don’t even know you.

You can small talk with your neighbours in the the lift and get to know them better. That isn’t weird at all. You’re gonna meet them daily for an extended period of time. Or if you order your kopi or lunch/dinner from the same coffeeshop stall daily, you can make small talk.
Everyone has neighbors whether s/he stays in HDB or condo with whom they can talk, make friendship & learn about each other culture which can be part of integration. But here some posts says that the people who stays in HDB are preferred, is this true?
The type of housing you reside in has no bearing on your relationship with your neighbors, unless, of course, you live in a bungalow, in which case you may not even have neighbors to have a relationship with.
Bungalow onwer does not have neighbours...very surprising!!!...To me it does not depend on type of housing...It depends on the culture and where you stay can be city vs town. In India, villagers stays in individual house which you can say bungalows, but they know every family staying in the villages. I would say saying hi and hello with a smile is not a waste of time!

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Re: PR approval chances 2022

Post by the observer » Thu, 27 Oct 2022 9:12 am

Lisafuller wrote:
Thu, 27 Oct 2022 12:30 am
the observer wrote:
Thu, 20 Oct 2022 10:00 am
smoulder wrote:
Thu, 20 Oct 2022 9:47 am

This has been answered many times.

Integration cannot be measured through an interview. They are not that stupid.

They most likely look for other signs. Malaysians for instance get easy approvals even with lower salaries because they come "pre integrated". For the rest, if you tick enough of other boxes, a "simple" matter of being in a stable marriage with a citizen or perhaps a PR might get you over the line - in your case, the ICA has no way of knowing that you are eating only Nasi lemak and mee pok, chatting with coffee shop aunties and dating a Malaysian SPR. Had you taken a "risk" and tied the knot, the outcome might have been different.

Also, to your comment that it's not necessary that expats earning 180 K and above don't all live in bubbles - there are probably exceptions, but look around you. There are plenty of people living in expat bubbles - Indians, Caucasians and Filipinos are the most obvious ones that come to mind.
Most Indian colleagues that I know, 8/10, enter into pre arranged marriages that their parents set up. So, marrying a local isn’t an option.
Arranged marriages are still this common? Nothing against the idea, but I just thought they wouldn't still be as big a thing now, with all the talk about progressiveness and freedom of choice.
In my circle of Indian colleagues in Singapore, it’s just so happen that most of them married someone their parents shortlisted for them.

In my circle of acquaintances, it is 8 out of the 10.
Of course it will vary. To summarize, it’s not a rarity.

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Re: PR approval chances 2022

Post by smoulder » Thu, 27 Oct 2022 10:10 am

MOCHS wrote:
Thu, 27 Oct 2022 7:54 am
Not really arranged marriage but more of matchmaking. I knew a few female Indian SCs my age & younger who had a matchmaker. They are given the freedom to find their own Mr Right but sometimes work/school makes it difficult to find a suitable partner so they are open to matchmaking.

The matchmaker & their family screens through potential guys, and she is shown their photos. If she is interested, she can just chat with them with no obligations that it becomes marriage.

Did know one female Indian SC who was matched with a guy from India. She told me they chatted via text & video, she found herself liking him. I think she flew over a couple of times to meet him in person, then they dated for a year before getting married. They had ceremonies in India & SG. Her hubby got LTVP -> EP -> PR within a few years. Helps that their union produced two boys. She is very happy now.
Sounds about right. That's how many people do it these days.

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Re: PR approval chances 2022

Post by fongginthig » Thu, 27 Oct 2022 11:32 am

Hey guys,

I have applied again for PR this week Oct 2022. I got rejected in jun 2021 previously. The difference this time is length is stay is more than 5 years now. I am living here since Aug 2017. and basic Salary has increased from 120K to 230K since the last time I applied.

My Profile:
Job: Software Engineering
Unmarried with no children
EP holder
Age: 32
Nationality: Indian
Education: Bachelor and Masters in Computer science from a top 5 IITs in India.

previous link for the post
viewtopic.php?f=78&t=138724&p=848907#p848907

Currently, I don't have any hopes. But it doesn't hurt. Any comments for this year probability are welcome! Thanks in advance :)

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Re: PR approval chances 2022

Post by cavemaner » Thu, 27 Oct 2022 12:58 pm

fongginthig wrote:
Thu, 27 Oct 2022 11:32 am
Hey guys,

I have applied again for PR this week Oct 2022. I got rejected in jun 2021 previously. The difference this time is length is stay is more than 5 years now. I am living here since Aug 2017. and basic Salary has increased from 120K to 230K since the last time I applied.

My Profile:
Job: Software Engineering
Unmarried with no children
EP holder
Age: 32
Nationality: Indian
Education: Bachelor and Masters in Computer science from a top 5 IITs in India.

previous link for the post
viewtopic.php?f=78&t=138724&p=848907#p848907

Currently, I don't have any hopes. But it doesn't hurt. Any comments for this year probability are welcome! Thanks in advance :)
The ICA is most likely looking for your ties to Singapore (wife, kids, family, etc), which from what I read appear to be quite minimal. Your profile is more or less similar to most Indian applicants. Given the industry you work in and the significant bump in your salary the ICA may deem you as a flight risk.

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Re: PR approval chances 2022

Post by Path2Family » Sun, 06 Nov 2022 5:44 pm

Hi all,

Hope all of you are having a great weekend.

I’d like to check on what you think my wife and my son’s chances of getting PR are under the Family Ties Scheme.

<Myself>
(Singapore PR Male for 6+ years; renewed REP once already)
Nationality: Indian
Age: 31
Income: S$300k (inc bonus)
Industry: Finance
Bachelor’s graduate of NUS
Married for 2+ years
Lived in Singapore without a break for 13 years
CPF balance (inc OA SA): 250k

<Spouse>
Nationality: Indian
Age: 33
Self employed architect, low income currently since recently gave birth to our son
Bachelor’s from India and master’s degree from Spain
Has been on LTVP throughout the last 2+ years

<Son>
Nationality: Canadian (he was born in Canada since she wanted to be close to her family in Canada after she delivered)
Age: 3 months
Currently on LTVP after we returned to Singapore

I would ideally like my wife and my son to become Singapore PRs but as a family we do not intend to become Singapore citizens at this stage of our lives. And yes, I would like my son to go through army service.

Please let me know what your thoughts are. Thank you for your time and wisdom, in advance.

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