PR approval chances 2022

[MOCHS]

I just want to put my view, when I came here I was surprised to see that in public transport everyone is busy looking at their on phone. I have a nature where I want to talk to a fellow passenger and know about each other. How to do that?...of course after COVID situation got changed. But still I want to say hello and hi when I am walking and see people.

It’s not in our nature to make small talk with strangers. We just want to unwind and relax in our own headspace on public transport. With the rise of scams, we may think the stranger is trying to swindle us, so excuse us for being cautious.

It’s unheard of to meet up with a stranger you met on the train/bus. If I’m only seated next to you for 30 mins max, I am not obligated to give you my life story or bond with you, ya know? I don’t even know you.

You can small talk with your neighbours in the the lift and get to know them better. That isn’t weird at all. You’re gonna meet them daily for an extended period of time. Or if you order your kopi or lunch/dinner from the same coffeeshop stall daily, you can make small talk.

[simple_guy]

I just want to put my view, when I came here I was surprised to see that in public transport everyone is busy looking at their on phone. I have a nature where I want to talk to a fellow passenger and know about each other. How to do that?...of course after COVID situation got changed. But still I want to say hello and hi when I am walking and see people.

It’s not in our nature to make small talk with strangers. We just want to unwind and relax in our own headspace on public transport. With the rise of scams, we may think the stranger is trying to swindle us, so excuse us for being cautious.

It’s unheard of to meet up with a stranger you met on the train/bus. If I’m only seated next to you for 30 mins max, I am not obligated to give you my life story or bond with you, ya know? I don’t even know you.

You can small talk with your neighbours in the the lift and get to know them better. That isn’t weird at all. You’re gonna meet them daily for an extended period of time. Or if you order your kopi or lunch/dinner from the same coffeeshop stall daily, you can make small talk.

Everyone has neighbors whether s/he stays in HDB or condo with whom they can talk, make friendship & learn about each other culture which can be part of integration. But here some posts says that the people who stays in HDB are preferred, is this true?

[singaporeflyer]

I just want to put my view, when I came here I was surprised to see that in public transport everyone is busy looking at their on phone. I have a nature where I want to talk to a fellow passenger and know about each other. How to do that?...of course after COVID situation got changed. But still I want to say hello and hi when I am walking and see people.

It’s not in our nature to make small talk with strangers. We just want to unwind and relax in our own headspace on public transport. With the rise of scams, we may think the stranger is trying to swindle us, so excuse us for being cautious.

It’s unheard of to meet up with a stranger you met on the train/bus. If I’m only seated next to you for 30 mins max, I am not obligated to give you my life story or bond with you, ya know? I don’t even know you.

You can small talk with your neighbours in the the lift and get to know them better. That isn’t weird at all. You’re gonna meet them daily for an extended period of time. Or if you order your kopi or lunch/dinner from the same coffeeshop stall daily, you can make small talk.

Everyone has neighbors whether s/he stays in HDB or condo with whom they can talk, make friendship & learn about each other culture which can be part of integration. But here some posts says that the people who stays in HDB are preferred, is this true?

Not really..It all depends....there are cases where HDB neighbours don't talk much, but neighbours in condo are close and vice versa.

[Mafees]

Any chance for family to get PR?

Age: 38
Gender: F
Nationality: Philippines
Race: Others
Education: Bachelor Degree
Length of stay in Singapore: 9 years
Income: $96k/year
Industry: IT
Pass: EP

Age: 40
Gender: M
Nationality: Philippines
Race: Others
Education: Bachelor Degree
Length of stay in Singapore: 9 years
Income: $24k/year
Industry: Logistics
Pass: DP with work permit

4 kids all DP but not studying in Singapore(16M, 14F, 10M, 8M)

[singaporeflyer]

Any chance for family to get PR?

Age: 38
Gender: F
Nationality: Philippines
Race: Others
Education: Bachelor Degree
Length of stay in Singapore: 9 years
Income: $96k/year
Industry: IT
Pass: EP

Age: 40
Gender: M
Nationality: Philippines
Race: Others
Education: Bachelor Degree
Length of stay in Singapore: 9 years
Income: $24k/year
Industry: Logistics
Pass: DP with work permit

4 kids all DP but not studying in Singapore(16M, 14F, 10M, 8M)

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[Homeii]

Hi All,

Any chance for me and my wife to get PR?
We applied together early September.

Main applicant:
Age: 30
Gender: M
Nationality: Indian
Race: indian
Education: Master Degree from NUS, Bachelors from india(in computer science engineering)
Length of stay in Singapore: approx 7 years
Income: $120K/year basic + bonuses
Industry: IT
Pass: EP

Age: 31
Gender: F
Nationality: Indian
Race: Indian
Education: masters Degree and bachelors both from india in computer science
Length of stay in Singapore: 3 years
Income: $96/year basic + shares+ bonuses
Industry: finance
Pass: EP

Married for about 1 year.

[singaporeflyer]

Hi All,

Any chance for me and my wife to get PR?
We applied together early September.

Main applicant:
Age: 30
Gender: M
Nationality: Indian
Race: indian
Education: Master Degree from NUS, Bachelors from india(in computer science engineering)
Length of stay in Singapore: approx 7 years
Income: $120K/year basic + bonuses
Industry: IT
Pass: EP

Age: 31
Gender: F
Nationality: Indian
Race: Indian
Education: masters Degree and bachelors both from india in computer science
Length of stay in Singapore: 3 years
Income: $96/year basic + shares+ bonuses
Industry: finance
Pass: EP

Married for about 1 year.

Looks low chance now.

[Homeii]

Hi All,

Any chance for me and my wife to get PR?
We applied together early September.

Main applicant:
Age: 30
Gender: M
Nationality: Indian
Race: indian
Education: Master Degree from NUS, Bachelors from india(in computer science engineering)
Length of stay in Singapore: approx 7 years
Income: $120K/year basic + bonuses
Industry: IT
Pass: EP

Age: 31
Gender: F
Nationality: Indian
Race: Indian
Education: masters Degree and bachelors both from india in computer science
Length of stay in Singapore: 3 years
Income: $96/year basic + shares+ bonuses
Industry: finance
Pass: EP

Married for about 1 year.

Looks low chance now.

What can be done to improve the chances of our application and what would be an ideal profile look like for Indians?

[TanKianWee]

Hi All,

I would like to know my approval chances, I am planning to apply Singapore PR next year with my wife and my son. We have moved from Singapore to Malaysia since March 2020 till now close to 3 years residing in Malaysia, and I am work from home for Singapore company.

Hope that you can advise my chances.

Details :

My Profile:
Age : 39 (born in Year 1983)
Race : Malaysian Chinese
Gender : Male
Marital Status : Married
Religion : Buddhist
Education : Degree in Software Engineer (UK), Master Degree in Software Engineer (Malaysia) (Part Time)
Current Field of Work : Credit Services, Finance
Current Job : Associate Solution Engineer
Length of stay in Singapore : 2 Year 10 Months
No of tax return : Year 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021 NOA
Salary Declared with IRAS 2022 Assessment : SGD69,197
Pass : EP (Renewed in 25 December 2019) (Second Time Renewing will be expiring in 23 April 2023)

My Wife:
Age : 40 (born in Year 1982)
Race : Burmese
Religion : Christian
Education : Primary School
Job : House wife

My Son:
Age : 2 (born in Year 2020)
Race : Malaysian Chinese
Gender : Male
Religion : Christian

Third Application Rejected Date : 29 June 2020
Application Date : 27 December 2019
Pending Interval : 6 Months 2 Days
Pass : EP
Remarks : ePR Application, Apply with my wife (Appointed Migration Agency to assist for submission)

Second Application Rejected Date : 13 May 2019
Application Date : 5 January 2019
Rejected Interval : 4 Months 8 Days
Pass : EP
Remarks : ePR Application, Only myself without applying with wife

First Application Rejected Date : 6 July 2018
Application Date : 6 December 2017
Rejected Interval : 7 Months
Pass : EP
Remarks : Manual Application, Only myself without applying with wife

[lim.loong]

asking for opinion
Malaysian 29 married with one child(boy)
be in singapore for 9yrs
currently EP holder in private financial institutions
Graduated from private college in singapore
Mthly 3K+
9yrs ago earns only 1k, study pt in sg
Hows the chance

Okay. I've tried not to enter the fray this time but a couple of questions need to be answered regarding some elephants in the room... May or may not have a bearing but I'm guessing it does.

1. Are you M'sian Chinese or Malay/Indian/other?
2. You went to private college (twinned with another University/College in Australia or somesuch? Outfit like Kaplan for instance?
3. I guessing you indicated you went part time to college? ("study pt in sg") so were probably working the rest of the time? Were you on a student visa or on a work pass? I know if going to a Sg University you are allow to work a given number of hours only/month. But after 9 years here you are only drawing 3K/mo. How long have you been working full time?

Answer these niggling questions and maybe we can give you a better "guess" as that is all we can do here.

1. Yes, I am a Msian Chinese
2. Private college (Kaplan)
3. yes, i am a workpass holder, went to study part time in Kaplan, i have been in here almost 9 years also, earn money, pay for studies in msia, earn money, pay for studies in Singapore(btw i am just a diploma holder)

[singaporeflyer]

Hi All,

Any chance for me and my wife to get PR?
We applied together early September.

Main applicant:
Age: 30
Gender: M
Nationality: Indian
Race: indian
Education: Master Degree from NUS, Bachelors from india(in computer science engineering)
Length of stay in Singapore: approx 7 years
Income: $120K/year basic + bonuses
Industry: IT
Pass: EP

Age: 31
Gender: F
Nationality: Indian
Race: Indian
Education: masters Degree and bachelors both from india in computer science
Length of stay in Singapore: 3 years
Income: $96/year basic + shares+ bonuses
Industry: finance
Pass: EP

Married for about 1 year.

Looks low chance now.

What can be done to improve the chances of our application and what would be an ideal profile look like for Indians?

Stay Longer, Study more, earn more. I don't think things other than this can be improved.

[Lisafuller]

^ I’m not a dude. High income earners do have the tendency to stay in condos or other private housing. Sometimes these places attract a certain demographic like expats and in turn, can then into a little expat bubble.

Of course, there are some that don’t do that but it does seem like majority of the time, they do.

Integrating further usually means marrying a citizen or PR.

This is true. If not for the 25 odd years spent here with countless efforts on our end to mingle with local neighbors through attending cc events and activities, we would probably not know anyone outside our own circle of expat friends.

[Lisafuller]

High income was never a criteria for PR. If that was the case, your coffeeshop uncle/auntie would have zero chance.

PR is for those who are going to sink roots here, not for those who will jet off at the next opportunity. Yes, you must be able to support yourself but earning 6 digits is a bonus… And most of the time these people are staying in expat enclaves, not really integrating into SG. How is that considered assimilating?

Bro why do you assume that people making 6 figures higher than 180K like us do not integrate??

I have singaporean friends only, I do not even know any indian people here .. I eat at the hawker centre most of my meals,
Can you tell me how to integrate further and how does the ICA know without an interview based on some few papers and documents of the PR application.. Thank you.

This has been answered many times.

Integration cannot be measured through an interview. They are not that stupid.

They most likely look for other signs. Malaysians for instance get easy approvals even with lower salaries because they come "pre integrated". For the rest, if you tick enough of other boxes, a "simple" matter of being in a stable marriage with a citizen or perhaps a PR might get you over the line - in your case, the ICA has no way of knowing that you are eating only Nasi lemak and mee pok, chatting with coffee shop aunties and dating a Malaysian SPR. Had you taken a "risk" and tied the knot, the outcome might have been different.

Also, to your comment that it's not necessary that expats earning 180 K and above don't all live in bubbles - there are probably exceptions, but look around you. There are plenty of people living in expat bubbles - Indians, Caucasians and Filipinos are the most obvious ones that come to mind.

Exactly, and if they did try to measure level of integration through an interview, this would be massively unfair to those who let's say, aren't as articulate, or prefer food from back home over local fare (silly examples but you get my point).

[Lisafuller]

I think its subjective and may depend on nature too. I just want to put my view, when I came here I was surprised to see that in public transport everyone is busy looking at their on phone. I have a nature where I want to talk to a fellow passenger and know about each other. How to do that?...of course after COVID situation got changed. But still I want to say hello and hi when I am walking and see people. Moreover, kids have more social circle and they meet diversity of people here in school. Is that not a part of Integration? I don't agree that marrying a citizen or PR can change nature of a person.

I know what you mean, when I'm back in the US I can't walk 2 feet without being greeted by a total stranger. This is one way in which Singapore is very different from many other countries. People keep to themselves. Some of the especially reserved ones don't even talk to their neighbors despite living next to each other for years.

[smoulder]

Bro why do you assume that people making 6 figures higher than 180K like us do not integrate??

I have singaporean friends only, I do not even know any indian people here .. I eat at the hawker centre most of my meals,
Can you tell me how to integrate further and how does the ICA know without an interview based on some few papers and documents of the PR application.. Thank you.

This has been answered many times.

Integration cannot be measured through an interview. They are not that stupid.

They most likely look for other signs. Malaysians for instance get easy approvals even with lower salaries because they come "pre integrated". For the rest, if you tick enough of other boxes, a "simple" matter of being in a stable marriage with a citizen or perhaps a PR might get you over the line - in your case, the ICA has no way of knowing that you are eating only Nasi lemak and mee pok, chatting with coffee shop aunties and dating a Malaysian SPR. Had you taken a "risk" and tied the knot, the outcome might have been different.

Also, to your comment that it's not necessary that expats earning 180 K and above don't all live in bubbles - there are probably exceptions, but look around you. There are plenty of people living in expat bubbles - Indians, Caucasians and Filipinos are the most obvious ones that come to mind.

Exactly, and if they did try to measure level of integration through an interview, this would be massively unfair to those who let's say, aren't as articulate, or prefer food from back home over local fare (silly examples but you get my point).

Put another way, interviews would favor folks who can bullshit better.