Question on renunsciation of Citizenship by descent (for Mad Scientist)

[Lisafuller]

Yep, he's an Aussie through and through!

There are so many members that sometimes it’s difficult to remember who’s from where!

[sundaymorningstaple]

Try being on this board for almost 18 years!!! LOL

[PNGMK]

For posterity the following reasons can be used by ex Australian citizens if they seek to re-instate their Australian citizenship (in case immi.gov.au removed the information - taken from https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/citizen ... ligibility)

If you apply to renounce citizenship from Australia I STRONGLY recommend you outline at least two of the reasons below in your statement of why you are renouncing AC.

How your Australian citizenship ceased may affect your eligibility (to regain Australian citizenship).

You are eligible to resume citizenship if you:

became a citizen of another country as an adult before 4 April 2002
gave up or renounced your Australian citizenship so that you can acquire or retain the citizenship of another country (this applies to dual Aussie/Singapore citizens forced to give up Australian citizenship by the Singapore gahmen).
renounced Australian citizenship to avoid significant hardship or detriment (this applies to dual citizens who will lose their bursaries etc if no longer SC)
your Australian citizenship was revoked as a child when your responsible parent's Australian citizenship ceased (this may apply to some SC / AC children)
were an Australian citizen by registration or naturalisation and your Australian citizenship ceased because you resided outside of Australia and New Guinea continuously for 7 years between 26 January 1948 and 8 October 1958 N/A

[Lisafuller]

For posterity the following reasons can be used by ex Australian citizens if they seek to re-instate their Australian citizenship (in case immi.gov.au removed the information - taken from https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/citizen ... ligibility)

If you apply to renounce citizenship from Australia I STRONGLY recommend you outline at least two of the reasons below in your statement of why you are renouncing AC.

How your Australian citizenship ceased may affect your eligibility (to regain Australian citizenship).

You are eligible to resume citizenship if you:

became a citizen of another country as an adult before 4 April 2002
gave up or renounced your Australian citizenship so that you can acquire or retain the citizenship of another country (this applies to dual Aussie/Singapore citizens forced to give up Australian citizenship by the Singapore gahmen).
renounced Australian citizenship to avoid significant hardship or detriment (this applies to dual citizens who will lose their bursaries etc if no longer SC)
your Australian citizenship was revoked as a child when your responsible parent's Australian citizenship ceased (this may apply to some SC / AC children)
were an Australian citizen by registration or naturalisation and your Australian citizenship ceased because you resided outside of Australia and New Guinea continuously for 7 years between 26 January 1948 and 8 October 1958 N/A

Interesting, don’t think they would take it down though as this is useful information!

[PNGMK]

Lisa - the Immi dept's advice is prone to changing when the Immi minister changes every election.

[Lisafuller]

Fair, I’m not very familiar with the way things work in AUS.

[StarSight]

Thanks for the response Mad Scientist, much appreciated. Not sure I know how to apply for an exit permit for my son without a Singpass though, anyone ?

[malcontent]

This is very interesting, I had always assumed most the governments take it personally when you decide to renounce citizenship, and won’t make the path to regaining it as easy. Are there any other countries that do this?

I heard that former Filipinos can get back their citizenship anytime. India also has a path to get back citizenship. For the USA, you just need an anchor baby.

[Mad Scientist]

Thanks for the response Mad Scientist, much appreciated. Not sure I know how to apply for an exit permit for my son without a Singpass though, anyone ?

If you are overseas, call the NS hotline, they will provide you a one time Singpass login.

[PNGMK]

This is very interesting, I had always assumed most the governments take it personally when you decide to renounce citizenship, and won’t make the path to regaining it as easy. Are there any other countries that do this?

I heard that former Filipinos can get back their citizenship anytime. India also has a path to get back citizenship. For the USA, you just need an anchor baby.

Yes - NZ also is in that set.

[StarSight]

Thanks for the response Mad Scientist, much appreciated. Not sure I know how to apply for an exit permit for my son without a Singpass though, anyone ?

If you are overseas, call the NS hotline, they will provide you a one time Singpass login.

thanks

[bro75]

This is very interesting, I had always assumed most the governments take it personally when you decide to renounce citizenship, and won’t make the path to regaining it as easy. Are there any other countries that do this?

The Philippines allows former citizens to reacquire their Filipino citizenship without renouncing the foreign citizenship.

[PNGMK]

Seems the trend in "civilized" countries.

[Koreba]

Thanks for the answers. Much appreciated.

May I ask- application for exit permit (without bond) should be 364 days at a time or 1 yr 364 days at a time?

Regarding deferment pending renunciation of SG citizenship- no chance for my son to get deferment til 21 if his mother wants to keep SG passport?

Father (me)- overseas citizen, been in SG on employment pass 2014 til 2019. Have left, never returning (except short hols/visits). For my son (SG citizen by birth, 8 yrs now) done all the other stuff (no socio-eco benefits such as passport, IC, CDA etc.- Left SG permanently at age 5, has another citizenship)

Man... 3-5 yrs to go and yet I'm worried already. Thanks for any answers.

Hi Mad Scientist,

I have a question for you about renunsciation(wrong spelling RENUNCIATION, seriously!!) of Singapore Citizenship by descent for a child, particularly as my son is about to turn 13 this year. Here is a recap of my situation, i need to confirm my steps are correct, please reach out to me, thanks:
Your lucky day , I'm back on board for a wee while
Background:

1) Over 15 years ago I moved overseas to country X (where me and my family reside). My wife is and always has been a foreign national.


2) My son was born overseas and has been a citizen of the country X from birth.
ok

3) I applied for my son's Singapore citizenship by descent when he was 1 year old and hence he has been a dual citizen of Singapore and Country X, since. As I do not wish for hin to take the Oath of allegiance at 21, his Singapore Citizenship will cease within 12 months of him turning 21.
Well done, you have learn well my padawan. You still need to renounce be it the child is a male or female once you apply SC by descent

4) I have renounced my Singapore Citizenship, withdrawn my CPF and have no assets whatsoever or ties to Singapore.
OK, good on you
5) My son has not held a Singapore passport or IC and has never lived in Singapore. He has only ever travelled to Singapore once in his life for a short family holiday (before turning 11), with the family as a Citizen of Country X, on his foreign passport.
Excellent !!

6) I have written to both ICA and CMPB seperately on my intention to renounce my child's Singapore citizenship (about 2 years ago when he was 11) and have been informed he can only renounce his citizenship by descent, when 21.
Good

7) I was also advised by CMPB that a request for deferment from NS pending renunsciation at the age of 21, can only be assessed once the child turns 13 years of age.
Yup, that's correct from what I understood. Been there and done that

Next Steps

1) I plan to contact CMPB again when he turns 13 this year, and request for application for deferment until he turns 21.
Apply Exit Permit first when he turns 13. Apply 1 year and 364 days.
Contact CMPB with your Exit Permit number then do the process.
You will receive another letter if they approve deferment pending renounciation at 21. When he turns 16 1/2 of age, CMPB will contact you again and that you will get an extension on your Exit Permit till 21. If they did not email or sent you a letter to that effect. For Pete's sake , contact them. Do not wait before everything hits the fan.

2) My expectation is that the application should be accepted for him to renounce at 21 and if so , CMPB will provide him another exit permit until 21 and then at 21 he can go to any Singapore Mission to renounce within 3 months of him turning 21 ?
If you cross all the dots and tick all the T, you will get it

Mad Scientist, if you could please confirm I haven't missed anything from the above that would be appreciated. Ideally, I am hoping for a positive outcome as me and my family are foreign citizens and this issue has been giving me stress for over a decade.

Please do not stress out, it is just the most important thing in your life and you only have one chance down the slippery slope.

[StarSight]

So does a month or so without a response outlining a decision feel out of the ordinary ?