Maintaining PR abroad; re apply for PR after REP rejected

[Skidmarkz]

Thanks for the honest advice. We have renewed REP once before and never lived abroad while having the PR. It seems 2-3 years max away, and being gainfully employed 1+ year before REP renewal, is the best approach.

Just like my case.
I have been working for SG company and have been stationed overseas almost a year. I got 1yr renewal last year due to lack of CPF contribution from SG company and physical presence. But now the only factor iam worried only is physical presence while my Cpf from the company has been consistent for almost a year.
In middle of this 2023 my REP will expire and I will renew it, I hope can get 5yrs not 1yr again.

[singaporeflyer]

Thanks for the honest advice. We have renewed REP once before and never lived abroad while having the PR. It seems 2-3 years max away, and being gainfully employed 1+ year before REP renewal, is the best approach.

Just like my case.
I have been working for SG company and have been stationed overseas almost a year. I got 1yr renewal last year due to lack of CPF contribution from SG company and physical presence. But now the only factor iam worried only is physical presence while my Cpf from the company has been consistent for almost a year.
In middle of this 2023 my REP will expire and I will renew it, I hope can get 5yrs not 1yr again.

If you pay SG taxes and CPF and are posted overseas by your company in SG, you should be ok for renewal.

[malcontent]

If you pay SG taxes and CPF and are posted overseas by your company in SG, you should be ok for renewal.

Are you suggesting to pay SG taxes even if you are no longer a tax resident of Singapore?

[singaporeflyer]

If you pay SG taxes and CPF and are posted overseas by your company in SG, you should be ok for renewal.

Are you suggesting to pay SG taxes even if you are no longer a tax resident of Singapore?

I meant when I was posted overseas, my salary was still paid in SG and I paid CPF and my taxes in SG. Between, how can he only pay CPF alone in SG? earlier some were doing this. But not sure if this available now.

[Skidmarkz]

Thanks for the honest advice. We have renewed REP once before and never lived abroad while having the PR. It seems 2-3 years max away, and being gainfully employed 1+ year before REP renewal, is the best approach.

Just like my case.
I have been working for SG company and have been stationed overseas almost a year. I got 1yr renewal last year due to lack of CPF contribution from SG company and physical presence. But now the only factor iam worried only is physical presence while my Cpf from the company has been consistent for almost a year.
In middle of this 2023 my REP will expire and I will renew it, I hope can get 5yrs not 1yr again.

If you pay SG taxes and CPF and are posted overseas by your company in SG, you should be ok for renewal.

Hi buddy were you that time stationed at overseas (lacking physical presence in Sg for the condition) while employed under Sg company and got it approved for 5yrs? Thx

[PNGMK]

If you pay SG taxes and CPF and are posted overseas by your company in SG, you should be ok for renewal.

Are you suggesting to pay SG taxes even if you are no longer a tax resident of Singapore?

I meant when I was posted overseas, my salary was still paid in SG and I paid CPF and my taxes in SG. Between, how can he only pay CPF alone in SG? earlier some were doing this. But not sure if this available now.

Sure you can. It's called Voluntary Contributions to CPF ("VC").

[singaporeflyer]

Are you suggesting to pay SG taxes even if you are no longer a tax resident of Singapore?

I meant when I was posted overseas, my salary was still paid in SG and I paid CPF and my taxes in SG. Between, how can he only pay CPF alone in SG? earlier some were doing this. But not sure if this available now.

Sure you can. It's called Voluntary Contributions to CPF ("VC").

Yes, but I understand that this is only the employee part and will reflect like a topup rather than an employer contribution which will have the company name.

[sundaymorningstaple]

VC does not show employment by a Singapore Company which is the requirement ICA will be looking for.

[Skidmarkz]

VC does not show employment by a Singapore Company which is the requirement ICA will be looking for.

During extension of REP , ICA would ask 2 questions
1. Do you reside in Spore?
2. Do you work for Sg company?

The second questions is very important one

[truthhurts1]

So singapore likes to give PR to people who stay overseas for years while not giving PR to people who live here and pay Taxes for 10 years +
The systemic racism and bias is too much sometimes, but there is not much can do for people who are born in third world s-hole countries like me

[malcontent]

So singapore likes to give PR to people who stay overseas for years while not giving PR to people who live here and pay Taxes for 10 years +
The systemic racism and bias is too much sometimes, but there is not much can do for people who are born in third world s-hole countries like me

Do you fault Singapore for maintaining the status quo on the racial makeup here?

Do you fault Singapore for giving preference to those who have a closer cultural affinity?

Do you fault Singapore for retaining PR for those who have good evidence they will return?

While I can understand the frustration, the scarcity here is real. This is not the land of plenty. Tough decisions have to be made when demand > supply. And this is exactly why I tell my Indian friends who have been on EP for years and years, unable to get PR… look for greener pastures.

[Skidmarkz]

Do you understand what PR means? It stands for Permanent Residence. If you move out of the country for more than 2 consecutive years you stand the chance of not getting renewed. If you are gone for more than 3 years, you will lose the re'entry permit and if you are out of the country when that happens, you will lose your PR at the same time. However, if you make it back before the REP expires, you will be able to stay in Singapore, generally speaking, as long as you do not pass through Immigration gates for any reason. If you go to play golf for the day to Bintan, Batam, etc. or shopping in JB, without a valid re-entry permit before exiting the country you are telling ICA, by your actions, that you are giving up your PR. Elsewhere on this forum I've reinterated several times that 17 years ago didn't have a valid REP for 15 straight months. But I was between jobs and I never attempted to leave Singapore for any reason. As soon as I found employment I renewed my REP without issue.

1. There is no SAFE way to maintain PR if you are out of the country for more than 3 years. Doesn't matter if you own a company, have 3 condos, 2 cars, whatever, PR is residency. if you are not physically present in Sg you are NOT resident so you will lose your PR. E.O.S.

2. No, rented out or empty. makes no difference. Half the high end condos in Singapore are owned by Indonesian Chinese as a way to move their money out of Indonesia. None have residency/PR. IRAS will like you, but ICA doesn't give a damn.

3. If all were PR, yes, it 'can' impact future EP applications. Although it occasionally happens, usually if that individual had a skillset that the government needs and wants, but NOT if it's a male and due to loss of PR NS is not done. But it's rare when it does happen. you cannot plan on it as it would be akin to planning to fail. Because of falling birth rates, there are less available males for NS. Allowing males to come and go as they please, would set precedences that the government cannot afford, therefore they are NOT very flexible, and rightly so. They cannot survive like the US does with a 100% volunteer armed forces. (since 1975) They have to force all males to do NS in order to ensure that their neighbours stay on there own side of the borders.

4. Family member who are NOT PR will be eligible for EP if they qualify on their own merits but if the were males and avoided NS because you forced them to lose their PR. They they will likely be rejected due to the avoidance of NS by you actions. Good way to have you son learn to hate you if he happened to have a girlfriend here.

5. You cannot have a bond for your if he loses his PR as he is then stuck between a rock & a hard place. No way to join NS unless SGC or PR. If he loses PR due to insufficient time in the country thanks to the parent. He isn't eligible for NS. Having a bond is one thing (required by CMPB/Mindef) but the REP is required by ICA. Normally regardless of the reason, the rejection notice that they will receive will look something like this.....
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To be quite honest, You are asking for a family disaster which could cause a family rift if your ruse doesn't work. How long have you/family been PRs and how old is your son?

Hi I saw your comments on this part "Elsewhere on this forum I've reinterated several times that 17 years ago didn't have a valid REP for 15 straight months. But I was between jobs and I never attempted to leave Singapore for any reason. As soon as I found employment I renewed my REP without issue."

That means even if RE Entry Permit expires as long as you physically still remain inside Singapore, SG Pr status remains valid and active? No rush to renew REP if no plan to fly out of Singapore yes?

[PNGMK]

Correct.

It is permanent residency but not permanent entries.