Mass exodus

[malcontent]

I’m aware the crime rate in the US has seen a bit of an increasing trend since the mid-2010’s, but I am speaking about the long-term trend which is still way down…

[NYY1]

I’m aware the crime rate in the US has seen a bit of an increasing trend since the mid-2010’s, but I am speaking about the long-term trend which is still way down…

The point is the long-term trend stopped and reversed in the mid-2010s. The trend can't be going both ways; they (crime rates) are no longer on a long-term downtrend as you mentioned. In contrast, I do think it is accurate to say the crime rates are still much lower than they were in prior decades like the 90s, and the situation is not as bad as the media makes it out to be. I think my original reply reflected this.

They've been increasing for the last decade or so, even before the COVID related spike. The rates are still much lower than they were say 2 or 3 decades ago though,

Regardless, I do encourage you to look at the incarceration rates and how much they changed over time vs. how much the crime rates changed over time.

[rajagainstthemachine]

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Personally for me, the last 2 years were depressing, Apart from the fact that i can earn more here, i don’t see a good enough reason to stay on here, canada australia Uk all seem much more attractive
Plus after staying 10 years+ in a country with PR i feel its a wasted investment in this country
Had i spent those years in any other country,PR or citizenship is guaranteed.

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The pandemic has made me reevaluate my outlook in life, $$ is no longer a motivator, new experiences, hobbies, fitness etc all seem much more pleasurable than sitting in an apartment taking endless calls and ordering grab food

Nice attempt at mocking me, instead of realising peoples intentions have changed after covid
I actually have, I’m giving it one more year until my pass expires, in between now and then I’ll try one more pr application, Whats changed is I have a new born baby (son) and if that doesn’t come through its bye bye
I Already have a Canadian work visa valid for 3 years which is convertible into a pr and citizenship after just 6 months of living in canada
Not only that my company being US based does have roles open in Canada, i can just move internally quite easily

What changed my thinking is the birth of my son, I would like to give him the passport of a country that can help him succeed in the future.

And fyi Im not a beggar,I’m a chooser baby

I already told you what my plan was quite clearly I’m not whining, I outlined the reasons of my decisions
Also singapore pr is useful to start a business, Another thing which i have considered.
This is why I’m inclined to stay for another year and give it an another application shot
Makes sense?
Also my job is pretty good, I like what I’m doing in my current role, i cover Asean, so the work is not just related to singapore but 6 other countries, staying here still allows me to travel once in a while. My aussie boss is also thinking of moving me to Sydney, so all good headaches to have so I’m taking my time and not because wd40 says “vote with feet”

It's not good enough here and Canada is more attractive? Or, it is good enough, so good that you will try to get PR one more time?

I think what wd40 is saying is you have Canada available. Take it if you think it's better.

Canada is definitely better, as i detailed before i am taking that option, However only wanted to do move there next year.
The only drawback is the weather i prefer the warmth of south east asia over canada anyday

[NYY1]

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Personally for me, the last 2 years were depressing, Apart from the fact that i can earn more here, i don’t see a good enough reason to stay on here, canada australia Uk all seem much more attractive
Plus after staying 10 years+ in a country with PR i feel its a wasted investment in this country
Had i spent those years in any other country,PR or citizenship is guaranteed.

.....
The pandemic has made me reevaluate my outlook in life, $$ is no longer a motivator, new experiences, hobbies, fitness etc all seem much more pleasurable than sitting in an apartment taking endless calls and ordering grab food

Nice attempt at mocking me, instead of realising peoples intentions have changed after covid
I actually have, I’m giving it one more year until my pass expires, in between now and then I’ll try one more pr application, Whats changed is I have a new born baby (son) and if that doesn’t come through its bye bye
I Already have a Canadian work visa valid for 3 years which is convertible into a pr and citizenship after just 6 months of living in canada
Not only that my company being US based does have roles open in Canada, i can just move internally quite easily

What changed my thinking is the birth of my son, I would like to give him the passport of a country that can help him succeed in the future.

And fyi Im not a beggar,I’m a chooser baby

I already told you what my plan was quite clearly I’m not whining, I outlined the reasons of my decisions
Also singapore pr is useful to start a business, Another thing which i have considered.
This is why I’m inclined to stay for another year and give it an another application shot
Makes sense?
Also my job is pretty good, I like what I’m doing in my current role, i cover Asean, so the work is not just related to singapore but 6 other countries, staying here still allows me to travel once in a while. My aussie boss is also thinking of moving me to Sydney, so all good headaches to have so I’m taking my time and not because wd40 says “vote with feet”

It's not good enough here and Canada is more attractive? Or, it is good enough, so good that you will try to get PR one more time?

I think what wd40 is saying is you have Canada available. Take it if you think it's better.

Canada is definitely better, as i detailed before i am taking that option, However only wanted to do move there next year.
The only drawback is the weather i prefer the warmth of south east asia over canada anyday

If you are taking that (Canada) option next year, why do you want to apply for Singapore PR again?

[sundaymorningstaple]

That's easy. Options.

[sundaymorningstaple]

With the world in a state of flux at the moment, the more options you have available the smarter you are. Don't wait until you are 75 and then realize you no longer have any options other than just sucking it up.

[NYY1]

Yes, options are good. But that's not really the story that was told above.

[rajagainstthemachine]

That's easy. Options.

Exactly, one needs to keep all options available.
There’s so much geopolitical tension at the moment, its not wise to put all eggs in one basket

[smoulder]

That's easy. Options.

Exactly, one needs to keep all options available.
There’s so much geopolitical tension at the moment, its not wise to put all eggs in one basket

From the sounds of it, Singapore isn't exactly going to make it easy and hand you that additional option. And this is precisely one of the reasons why Indian PR applications are under the scanner at the ICA. (I assume from the name, that you are an Indian)

[sundaymorningstaple]

That's easy. Options.

Exactly, one needs to keep all options available.
There’s so much geopolitical tension at the moment, its not wise to put all eggs in one basket

From the sounds of it, Singapore isn't exactly going to make it easy and hand you that additional option. And this is precisely one of the reasons why Indian PR applications are under the scanner at the ICA. (I assume from the name, that you are an Indian)

So, in Raj's case it makes even more sense. What are his odds if he doesn't apply. That option is down the drain. If he gets lucky, another option and he can also decline or give up the PR later due to geo-political issues if it becomes necessary. Not espousing multiple PRs here but reality today is different than it was some 4 years ago.

[rajagainstthemachine]

That's easy. Options.

Exactly, one needs to keep all options available.
There’s so much geopolitical tension at the moment, its not wise to put all eggs in one basket

From the sounds of it, Singapore isn't exactly going to make it easy and hand you that additional option. And this is precisely one of the reasons why Indian PR applications are under the scanner at the ICA. (I assume from the name, that you are an Indian)

Of course no pr application unless coming from a Malaysian or indonesian is going be an easy approval and will be under the scanner
Indians obviously have borne the brunt of it, That being said plenty of Indians i know already received pr after applying 5/6 times.

For me its just a shot at the PR lottery pot if i am lucky so be it, otherwise i do have other plans lined up.

[the observer]

Gotta change the subject topic to Mass Influx, (of EPs)…

After yesterdays National Day speech.

Common sense and best guess is, welcoming with open arms businesses and teams relocating from HK and maybe Taiwan. For this year.

I suppose jobs will be aplenty, inflation will continue marching higher ie coe and rentals.

Probably a bad idea to be a retiree at this juncture.

[malcontent]

I’m aware the crime rate in the US has seen a bit of an increasing trend since the mid-2010’s, but I am speaking about the long-term trend which is still way down…

The point is the long-term trend stopped and reversed in the mid-2010s. The trend can't be going both ways; they (crime rates) are no longer on a long-term downtrend as you mentioned. In contrast, I do think it is accurate to say the crime rates are still much lower than they were in prior decades like the 90s, and the situation is not as bad as the media makes it out to be. I think my original reply reflected this.

They've been increasing for the last decade or so, even before the COVID related spike. The rates are still much lower than they were say 2 or 3 decades ago though,

Regardless, I do encourage you to look at the incarceration rates and how much they changed over time vs. how much the crime rates changed over time.

No worries NYY1, I think we are both saying the same thing, just semantics… it depends on the time period being considered and how “long-term” is defined for trending purposes.

Help me understand why the incarceration rate matters. If incarceration rates increased during the past several decades, it stands to reason that there should be less crime with fewer criminals on the street (one would hope that means law enforcement is working). Alternatively, if the incarceration rates have dropped, it means fewer criminals are being spawned by society, that seems even more preferable, clearly.

[NYY1]

No worries NYY1, I think we are both saying the same thing, just semantics… it depends on the time period being considered and how “long-term” is defined for trending purposes.

Help me understand why the incarceration rate matters. If incarceration rates increased during the past several decades, it stands to reason that there should be less crime with fewer criminals on the street (one would hope that means law enforcement is working). Alternatively, if the incarceration rates have dropped, it means fewer criminals are being spawned by society, that seems even more preferable, clearly.

Gotcha, I think we both understand...

My thought on the incarcerations is as follows, although I guess this is open to interpretation and happy to hear other thoughts.
-The crime index roughly got cut in half from the early-90s to the low (2014)
-In 1980, incarcerations per 100,000 was at 310. It peaked at about 1,000 in 2008.
-I don't have the exact data but roughly eyeballing it perhaps the incarceration rate was ~500 in the early-90s. I.e. it doubled over the next 15 years and jail time both got certain people off the streets and served as a deterrent to others.
-I guess this is where we differ. I don't see the drop in incarcerations as evidence that fewer criminals are being spawned by society. There is a bit of a lag but as incarcerations started dropping, crime started increasing (the exact opposite of what happened above)

So is it there's less crime (stats don't say so last 5+ years) or the system (police, judicial) is becoming less of a deterrent and more people are unfortunately undertaking unproductive behavior?

The incarceration rate is undoubtedly a function of many things; actual crimes, catching the people (law enforcement bandwidth and effectiveness), sentencing, and serving terms/being released. Maybe this is the "news" but do you think the social/political environment is one that is tough on crime or one that wants to give everyone a second, third, fourth, and fifth chance? There are also movements to cut police budgets or in some parts of society a lack of respect for law enforcement. I'm not so sure those are good things.

So continue to watch. I don't think anyone wants to see things deteriorate but I read the situation differently from you and this also impacts the outlook (unless something else changes).

[Wd40]

Exactly, one needs to keep all options available.
There’s so much geopolitical tension at the moment, its not wise to put all eggs in one basket

From the sounds of it, Singapore isn't exactly going to make it easy and hand you that additional option. And this is precisely one of the reasons why Indian PR applications are under the scanner at the ICA. (I assume from the name, that you are an Indian)

Of course no pr application unless coming from a Malaysian or indonesian is going be an easy approval and will be under the scanner
Indians obviously have borne the brunt of it, That being said plenty of Indians i know already received pr after applying 5/6 times.

For me its just a shot at the PR lottery pot if i am lucky so be it, otherwise i do have other plans lined up.

It is not a lottery. They know exactly whom to give and whom not to give. The people who got it after applying 5/6 times didn't get it just by chance. They must have shown some commitment and it cannot be faked.

So if I were you, I would take the other options before they dry up, if you are really serious about them. Options don't remain open forever.