Singapore Citizenship rejection

[Lisafuller]

3k is poverty level. Try later again. What is your occupation though?

Not sure if the OP is still in the same industry, but 3k for a fresh grad in architecture industry in pretty the standard and it doesnt increase exponentially over time like other industries. Thanks for pointing out that those from the architecture industry are living in poverty.

Is this true? I find it hard to believe that architects don’t enjoy pay raises over time, if this was really the case nobody would want to be an architect.

[malcontent]

3k is poverty level. Try later again. What is your occupation though?

Not sure if the OP is still in the same industry, but 3k for a fresh grad in architecture industry in pretty the standard and it doesnt increase exponentially over time like other industries. Thanks for pointing out that those from the architecture industry are living in poverty.

Is this true? I find it hard to believe that architects don’t enjoy pay raises over time, if this was really the case nobody would want to be an architect.

I don’t think architecture is appreciated here like it is in other countries… it can even be seen as a wasteful splurge. Some famous schools here that sprang for a good architect got a lot of flack from the public as being wasteful. While it is economical to just copy and paste the same plain old boring buildings everywhere, it isn’t exactly inspirational… and I’d say it could even be a contributor to the creativity deficit here.

[gold.spot]

I don’t think architecture is appreciated here like it is in other countries… it can even be seen as a wasteful splurge. Some famous schools here that sprang for a good architect got a lot of flack from the public as being wasteful. While it is economical to just copy and paste the same plain old boring buildings everywhere, it isn’t exactly inspirational… and I’d say it could even be a contributor to the creativity deficit here.

That is absolutely on point. It is not appreciated enough here but I'd attribute it to the size of the market, and there is a mistake that I think BOA (Board of Architects) perhaps made - the market is small, and therefore it would have made sense to, atleast some time after 1985-1990, to liberalise the architecture field and not be so protective. Today, one can register as an architect in Singapore only after meeting certain requirements. But by becoming protective and not recognising architecture practices from other places, what happened is the silo mentality began to arise.

By not negotiating dual recognition of architecture registrations with other nations, Singapore's architecture industry was limited to only a small pool of projects - HDBs, condos, commercial buildings and the like. Now, this protectionist policy did NOT stop super famous architecture practices to still put their name to prestigious projects here. So what was left behind? Only the HDBs, malls, smaller projects like bungalows, etc.

And then there is a number of architects graduating every year, coming into the market. Added to the constant undercutting of consultancy services by competition, these junior employees in architecture firms get the short end of the stick.

The other thing is architects in Singapore these days are more about compliance with the various authorities rather than creativity. The creative component is ~0.5% of the total work.

For the industry to improve, there needs to be reform, but I don't think there is will, even within the architecture community, to implement any reforms.

Unless you're really really passionate about architecture and don't care about money, I'd say to those who are already involved in architecture to explore other industries - and there are a few who hire architecture trained people.

[malcontent]

By not negotiating dual recognition of architecture registrations with other nations, Singapore's architecture industry was limited to only a small pool of projects - HDBs, condos, commercial buildings and the like. Now, this protectionist policy did NOT stop super famous architecture practices to still put their name to prestigious projects here. So what was left behind? Only the HDBs, malls, smaller projects like bungalows, etc.

I noticed that too — my son wanted to study architecture in the US and I noticed Singapore doesn’t recognize a lot of the architecture degree granting courses in the US. Not that I think my son would have much of any career opportunities in Singapore if he did end up studying architecture.

You also make a good point about the prestige projects here, those go to famous overseas architects and locals get squat.

D’Leedon condo in my neighborhood was originally designed by a famous architecture firm Zaha Hadid, but if you compare the original design with what was built - it was radically altered. What ended up getting built is almost like a hybrid HDB-Hadid design, instead of continuous curves, you have angular, partial curves, mixed with straight lines… and instead of a full glass exterior you have partial glass mixed with painted concrete. They probably figured the 10-20% additional cost to build it as originally designed could not be recouped when selling the units to buyers who either don’t know better or think it’s already a shiok design. That is how sad it is.

[MOCHS]

With all the sun SG has, having full glass might turn it into the next Vegas or London “Death Ray Buildings” (both designed by the same fella). You can Google these buildings online.

In addiction to being a death ray, the structure of the London one created powerful downdrafts that would knock a person off their feet. SG probably took that into consideration and modified the shape.

[sundaymorningstaple]

You must remember, above all other considerations, Singapore is pragmatic to a fault.

[malcontent]

The original D’Leedon design

[MOCHS]

The concave portions of the original building design have “death ray” potential for sure.

[malcontent]

The concave portions of the original building design have “death ray” potential for sure.

Curvy HDB to the rescue!

[Iamwyz]

3k is poverty level. Try later again. What is your occupation though?

My friend applied SC and passed, her salary is 2.5k only btw.

Believe it or not, not all the jobs can earn a really good income but some are definitely essential, and sadly some essential works don’t pay well.

Salary is not really the key factor at some circumstances, it’s also about the age and the intention of whether they want to settle down here in SG.

[malcontent]

3k is poverty level. Try later again. What is your occupation though?

My friend applied SC and passed, her salary is 2.5k only btw.

Believe it or not, not all the jobs can earn a really good income but some are definitely essential, and sadly some essential works don’t pay well.

Salary is not really the key factor at some circumstances, it’s also about the age and the intention of whether they want to settle down here in SG.

When you say passed… I assume you do not mean passed from this earth. That was what I interpreted (perhaps wrongly) on my first read of your post!

I can definitely believe it, provided the right demographic boxes are ticked.

[Iamwyz]

3k is poverty level. Try later again. What is your occupation though?

My friend applied SC and passed, her salary is 2.5k only btw.

Believe it or not, not all the jobs can earn a really good income but some are definitely essential, and sadly some essential works don’t pay well.

Salary is not really the key factor at some circumstances, it’s also about the age and the intention of whether they want to settle down here in SG.

When you say passed… I assume you do not mean passed from this earth. That was what I interpreted (perhaps wrongly) on my first read of your post!

I can definitely believe it, provided the right demographic boxes are ticked.

Hahahahahah I meant her application was approved. She is alright here on earth.

[sliverchair13]

OP, are you a male or female? If male, I assume you did your NS?

[sundaymorningstaple]

Reasonable question if one didn't read the thread completely. She did indicate that she had two brothers here, both of which already gained SC and she mentions NS. She is currently working and is 25 so she is definitely at least a PR which would certainly lead to an assumption that she wasn't liable for NS or not liable for it. Therefore pretty much a certainty she's a she. Also, most males wouldn't readily admit to the emotional stress of rejection quite in the manner she phrased it.

"Question, is the chances for getting SGC for me higher when both my brothers (28 and 22) are SGC? My little brother just got his SC acceptance after 6 months. Elder brother got his as soon as he finished NS (Applied for SC during NS). They are both working in engineering/manufacturing. Whole family is here. Will submit an application in 2 years as per your advice and when I grow in my new job. Thanks."

But, I could be wrong. If I am, apologies.....

[sailtraveller]

Sorry for my blur-ness .. but .. if you're SPR, what's rush to be SC so quickly ? I think natural progression, unless there's some other motivation, is to finish education, work for at least 5-7yrs with some growth - apply late 20s early 30s. Also I assume you did complete your NS (if you're male).

And, sad to say this, but, if you have plans to marry a man/woman, for love, eventually, I do hope he/she might be a SC - considering you've grown up among SC people, that will help your case I think.