yes, I agree with that and the family ties PRs are kind of a different category, especially if it's just one extra head, and gives 3-5 SCs as a added bonus. I was more referring to full PR family who don't convert to citizenship.sundaymorningstaple wrote: ↑Thu, 23 Sep 2021 3:52 pmPPF, as an addendum to the above, giving elderly PRs or allowing them to stay as PRs also has the added advantage to Singapore as if they give up their PR without taking up SGC and they had local families like I did, they take a chance of losing one PR (no bid deal) but also take the chance of losing all the SGC offspring as well, and if, like mine, that is quite a loss to the country. (My son-in-law is a SGArmy Captain as well).
I think it's good to have this conversation as part of a "where will you retire" discussion. Very relevant and certainly adds another dimension to the discussion.MOCHS wrote: ↑Thu, 23 Sep 2021 6:03 pmIt’s not my intention to start a bonfire here but too often, I’ve heard many cases of PRs just using SG as a stepping stone and jumping ship when there are better opportunities.
Take my ex-colleague for example. For the longest time, she stayed as a SPR and did not want to take up citizenship as she thought she would go home to Shanghai to retire since retirees get a monthly pension, if I’m not wrong.
Then when her sister-in-law got a US green card, she was keen to have a green card too, and eventually US citizenship. The idea was to have the SIL help apply green card for her brother (who is my ex-colleague’s husband) and when his green card approved, the husband will then help to apply for the rest of the family.
So she converted to SC when her child entered sec sch and maybe being a Singaporean might be looked upon favourably for green card application? The plan is for the whole family to uproot and move to USA when the child enters college.
On top of that, she decided to only list herself as owner of the HDB while husband bought a condo and rented it out. Then when the daughter went into a sec sch that was far away from their HDB, they decided to rent out the HDB too and rent a place closer to the sec such.
Maybe one might call that playing smart. I call it playing with the system. I’m sure there are plenty of PRs that hold property here in SG and rent them out while they relax back in their home country.
Interesting, I though there was an age limit of 50 or something to apply/convert to SGC.sundaymorningstaple wrote: ↑Thu, 23 Sep 2021 3:45 pmThe fact that I can apply for and get SGC even though I've retired is a bonus I didn't count on and am seriously thinking of taking advantage of it (retired parents of Singapore citizens (I have two of them)
Definitely agree with you here. If I had not got my PR the time I got it, we would not have moved here, but to Australia. Whose loss or win is of course a matter of opinion, but it is still 3 SGCs more based on that decision, one of which will do NS. Next generation is too early to say.smoulder wrote: ↑Thu, 23 Sep 2021 6:31 pmI think it's good to have this conversation as part of a "where will you retire" discussion. Very relevant and certainly adds another dimension to the discussion.MOCHS wrote: ↑Thu, 23 Sep 2021 6:03 pmIt’s not my intention to start a bonfire here but too often, I’ve heard many cases of PRs just using SG as a stepping stone and jumping ship when there are better opportunities.
Take my ex-colleague for example. For the longest time, she stayed as a SPR and did not want to take up citizenship as she thought she would go home to Shanghai to retire since retirees get a monthly pension, if I’m not wrong.
Then when her sister-in-law got a US green card, she was keen to have a green card too, and eventually US citizenship. The idea was to have the SIL help apply green card for her brother (who is my ex-colleague’s husband) and when his green card approved, the husband will then help to apply for the rest of the family.
So she converted to SC when her child entered sec sch and maybe being a Singaporean might be looked upon favourably for green card application? The plan is for the whole family to uproot and move to USA when the child enters college.
On top of that, she decided to only list herself as owner of the HDB while husband bought a condo and rented it out. Then when the daughter went into a sec sch that was far away from their HDB, they decided to rent out the HDB too and rent a place closer to the sec such.
Maybe one might call that playing smart. I call it playing with the system. I’m sure there are plenty of PRs that hold property here in SG and rent them out while they relax back in their home country.
I just wonder though why such a thing would be unique to Singapore - I believe it isn't. Immigration is all about opportunism. I'm sure your ancestors were opportunistic when they landed here. I know I have been opportunistic by taking up a PR and I will probably be that if and when they approve my SC application. I'm sure you or any other Singaporean who emigrates (there are some you know), will also be similarly opportunistic.
Obviously the gahmen has realized this has a viewpoint that because of the unique nature of this country, they prefer now to give out PRs to people that they have assessed to be more likely to be loyal to Singapore.
Yes I agree with you. This is an important point. I myself am Indian and probably considered to be reasonably well integrated being married to an SC (former Malaysian citizen).ProvenPracticalFlexible wrote: ↑Thu, 23 Sep 2021 6:49 pm
For some of those situation when certain nationalities use Singapore as a stepping stone, like many Indians and Filipinos, can't really blame them, when they don't really have equal chances to stay and integrate here. So it's quite understandable that they continue to AUS/NZ or US/CAN if they have the opportunity.
Check item 5.ProvenPracticalFlexible wrote: ↑Thu, 23 Sep 2021 6:43 pmInteresting, I though there was an age limit of 50 or something to apply/convert to SGC.sundaymorningstaple wrote: ↑Thu, 23 Sep 2021 3:45 pmThe fact that I can apply for and get SGC even though I've retired is a bonus I didn't count on and am seriously thinking of taking advantage of it (retired parents of Singapore citizens (I have two of them)
This would then basically apply to almost all family ties PRs, assuming of course that they have kids. and would give a bit more thinking time.
Check item 5.ProvenPracticalFlexible wrote: ↑Thu, 23 Sep 2021 6:43 pmInteresting, I though there was an age limit of 50 or something to apply/convert to SGC.sundaymorningstaple wrote: ↑Thu, 23 Sep 2021 3:45 pmThe fact that I can apply for and get SGC even though I've retired is a bonus I didn't count on and am seriously thinking of taking advantage of it (retired parents of Singapore citizens (I have two of them)
This would then basically apply to almost all family ties PRs, assuming of course that they have kids. and would give a bit more thinking time.
NOTE: ICA takes into account factors such as the individual's family ties to Singaporeans, economic contributions, qualifications, age, family profile and length of residency, to assess the applicant's ability to contribute to Singapore and integrate into our society, as well as his or her commitment to sinking roots.
I think the policies have gotten more family focused over the years, which is a good thing.sundaymorningstaple wrote: ↑Thu, 23 Sep 2021 3:45 pmThe fact that I can apply for and get SGC even though I've retired is a bonus I didn't count on and am seriously thinking of taking advantage of it (retired parents of Singapore citizens (I have two of them).
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