PR chances for 2021

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PR chances for 2021

Post by Bloombloom » Fri, 02 Jul 2021 12:34 pm

Hi

Below is our profile , pls let us know if any chances to get PR , we just submitted our application online

Indian family of 4

Husband age :36, primary applicant
Salary : 150k + bonus
Have consistently grown in this career .

Wife 33
Salary :100k + bonus

Children 2 - girl 6 years , boy 1 year both born in Singapore

Does our application have any chances for approval this time ?
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Re: PR chances for 2021

Post by singaporeflyer » Fri, 02 Jul 2021 12:41 pm

Bloombloom wrote:
Fri, 02 Jul 2021 12:34 pm
Hi

Below is our profile , pls let us know if any chances to get PR , we just submitted our application online

Indian family of 4

Husband age :36, primary applicant
Works in marine hardware based company as regional sales manager for Asia pacific
Salary : 150k + bonus
Have consistently grown in this career .

In Singapore since 2008
Applied PR twice once in 2013 , 2018 and rejected every time after 1 year waiting
Completed MBA in 2021 in Singapore college that is based in US University

Wife : age 33
Works in perm role in IT local bank from 2014
Salary :100k + bonus
In Singapore since 2012

Children 2 - girls 6 years , boy 1 year both born in Singapore
Girl goes to local school for kindergarten and childcare since 18 months old .

Have full time helper past 5 years

Husband mentors a lot of SG trainees and sg United interns in his job .

We are very keen to have this as our home and already feel like we belong to here.

Changes after last application
Nee job role and salary revision upto 30% for both husband and wife
Completed MBA
Son born in Singapore

Does our application have any chances for approval this time ?
You can try, but chance still seems low

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Re: PR chances for 2021

Post by Bloombloom » Fri, 02 Jul 2021 12:43 pm

Any reason you think for the less chance ? 😭 he is already here for past 13 years now

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Re: PR chances for 2021

Post by singaporeflyer » Fri, 02 Jul 2021 12:45 pm

Bloombloom wrote:
Fri, 02 Jul 2021 12:43 pm
Any reason you think for the less chance ? 😭 he is already here for past 13 years now
Ethinic Quota, Salary, Job Role (whether it is in demand in SG) are the main reasons.

Also, having a helper - will not matter to PR application

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Re: PR chances for 2021

Post by Myasis Dragon » Sat, 03 Jul 2021 7:36 am

It's my opinion only, and these kind of rejections convince me that there is a definite bias against Indians who make a lot of money.
  1. 13 solid years of living in SG.
  2. Non banking, fly away jobs, in fact, marine could be one of the most stable.
  3. Good to great family salaries.
  4. Family that creates ties to school and country.

And... cannot, lah... and the question is why. The right buttons are pushed, the correct boxes are checked.

So how?
  1. The gahmen doesn't want any more Indians?
  2. The gahmen sees a salary high enough such that this Indian family has lots of savings and can be readily mobile for the next opportunity?
  3. The gahmen has hard statistics that Indians with this profile make poor long term PR's?
  4. The OP has not really given us all the details of his family and background?
Hard to say. But, I'd guess that there is something else in your background that raised a flag.

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Re: PR chances for 2021

Post by smoulder » Sat, 03 Jul 2021 11:05 am

Myasis Dragon wrote:
Sat, 03 Jul 2021 7:36 am
It's my opinion only, and these kind of rejections convince me that there is a definite bias against Indians who make a lot of money.
  1. 13 solid years of living in SG.
  2. Non banking, fly away jobs, in fact, marine could be one of the most stable.
  3. Good to great family salaries.
  4. Family that creates ties to school and country.

And... cannot, lah... and the question is why. The right buttons are pushed, the correct boxes are checked.

So how?
  1. The gahmen doesn't want any more Indians?
  2. The gahmen sees a salary high enough such that this Indian family has lots of savings and can be readily mobile for the next opportunity?
  3. The gahmen has hard statistics that Indians with this profile make poor long term PR's?
  4. The OP has not really given us all the details of his family and background?
Hard to say. But, I'd guess that there is something else in your background that raised a flag.
Is it that much of an unknown that they are careful about giving PRs to Indians in the last many years? And any surprise why that attitude? Obviously public perception of See-Kah is a major factor.

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Re: PR chances for 2021

Post by Bloombloom » Sun, 04 Jul 2021 12:30 am

Myasis Dragon wrote:
Sat, 03 Jul 2021 7:36 am
It's my opinion only, and these kind of rejections convince me that there is a definite bias against Indians who make a lot of money.
  1. 13 solid years of living in SG.
  2. Non banking, fly away jobs, in fact, marine could be one of the most stable.
  3. Good to great family salaries.
  4. Family that creates ties to school and country.

And... cannot, lah... and the question is why. The right buttons are pushed, the correct boxes are checked.

So how?
  1. The gahmen doesn't want any more Indians?
  2. The gahmen sees a salary high enough such that this Indian family has lots of savings and can be readily mobile for the next opportunity?
  3. The gahmen has hard statistics that Indians with this profile make poor long term PR's?
  4. The OP has not really given us all the details of his family and background?
Hard to say. But, I'd guess that there is something else in your background that raised a flag.
We have had enough other opportunities like in US , and Scandinavian countries . But didn’t want to move else where from Singapore . My kid thinks this is her country , we also think so . 😭

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Re: PR chances for 2021

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Re: PR chances for 2021

Post by the observer » Sun, 04 Jul 2021 7:38 am

If you’re able bodied and remain working, earning well above the thresholds of what your EP needs, there’s nothing to stop you from staying here. They’ve made that clear. Continue plugging away?

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Re: PR chances for 2021

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Sun, 04 Jul 2021 1:58 pm

the observer wrote:
Sun, 04 Jul 2021 7:36 am
https://www.gov.sg/article/what-are-the ... e-citizens

Because of this.
This has been known for a decade. It was also mentioned in parliament late last year or early this year that they use immigration to maintain the current racial demographics. This is the biggest hindrance to gaining PR in certain categories (Indians in particular because the government closed one eye back in the period between 1998 & 2005 as they were hell-bent on creating an IT hub and brought in way more Indian programmers than were necessary (a lot were brought in because of the so-called millenium bug at the turnover of the year 2000 that never happened). In fact the demographic went up at one point to 9% for Indians and the demographic for Chinese dropped almost 2%. Government freaked and when the news got out, they took a thrashing in the 2011 GE so they spent 5 years trying to appear to right the situation but sadly by the 2015 GE while they managed to decrease the demographic a fairly large number of Indians were firmly entrenched in middle and Sr Mgmt positions in both the Financial and IT industries (and these two walked hand in hand) Those who managed to get into Mgmt positions in HR had a habit of only hiring their own countrymen to the exclusion of locals to the point that some shops were almost 100% FT from the sub-continent. Gov't got hit hard some more in the 2015 election and the pogrom you have been seeing since is a result of the combined effect of the last 2 GEs. There is a number of other problems that have cropped up in addition with the fact that in areas they have literally made enclaves and considering the fact that there are ethnic quotas in HDB estates, the Gov't is currently discussing if there is a way to do the same in condo complexes. This remains to be seen. Also, Indian PR for the most part are PR of convenience as their reputations for 'collecting' PRs from different countries is well known in the Western world. CA, US, UK, Aus & SG were favourites, with SG being a bonus as it put them within 4.5 hrs of home (India) and still having a western standard of living. I'm sure I've pissed a few people off here, but I've lived and worked through all of it for the past 39 years.

Why so many high earning Indian? Because, frankly, they are good. Think about it. Hugh numbers of Indian flood the best universities of the world. If only 1% are university level that is 12 M university students. If only 5% of them are in the top of their cohort then we are looking at 600,000 cream of the crop graduates and probably 500,000 end up with MSc/MBa from the best universities around the world. Look at then numbers of CEO who are Indians in the US Top 100/500. Everybody is dangling cash in front of them because of the sheer numbers, companies around the world want them. India and China have numerical superiority. And let's face it, looking at their home countries, who can blame them for wanting to move out. (/rant)
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