It’s not that serious, really. But just from the stats presented, Sinovac is the least effective of the 3.MOCHS wrote: ↑Mon, 21 Jun 2021 3:45 pmIf you have a heart problem, you’ll go to a cardiologist and not an urologist, right?
Not all MDs have PhDs. I would trust an infectious disease specialist more than a generic MD. Some may not truly understand scientific data which caused the “petition by 11 doctors against mRNA vaccines” hoohaa. I’m in the scientific research field and have interacted with clinician scientist wannabes (aka MDs that want to do scientific research). A lot of them really don’t understand the basis of research in general. However, I am satisfied with how the ministers on the multi-ministry task force have answered queries so far during press conference.
You link a news article but I want hardcore scientific data. Until then, I won’t throw out Sinovac just yet till more evidence surfaces.
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It's moronic. Hence, the references to the Sinophiles.Lisafuller wrote: ↑Tue, 22 Jun 2021 3:04 amTrue, but for individuals who can get Pfizer or Moderna, it would make no sense not to.
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Strap in children for a semi-long post regarding the JP Morgan report and how science works. If you still want to spout junk after this, I cannot help you any further.
One of the things to be careful about is comparing the epidemiological situation in different countries, because each country isn't necessarily on the same footing.
For example, the top figure BigginHill posted are developing countries, whereas the countries in the bottom figure are developed countries. That's not too surprising because the RNA vaccine stock was largely bought up by wealthy countries. So the healthcare standards aren't the same.
Another consideration is the variants. Different countries don't always see the same variant(s) circulating. This will also affect how much protection is afforded by the vaccines. We also know that Sinopharm effectiveness against wild type SARS-CoV-2 isn't as high as compared to Moderna/Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines, so this may also be another factor in why cases are spiking.
The case of Seychelles, with its relatively high vaccination rate but rising cases, is covered here: https://www.bbc.com/news/57148348
According to the BBC, of all doses administered, "57% were Sinopharm and 43% Covishield."
Yet another factor to consider is the non-pharmaceutical measures used to mitigate COVID-19 spread. The type of restrictions applied differ from country to country, and the time at which the restrictions are lifted are also different - another reason why comparing only case numbers can give a misleading picture
But! This doesn't mean that the Sinopharm vaccine is useless - note that in the BBC report, Seychelles is seeing a rise in cases, but the number of hospitalisations are primarily in unvaccinated people: "We do know that about two-thirds of those who tested positive largely had mild or no symptoms, according to the country's health commissioner, Dr Jude Gedeon.
Of those who needed admission to hospital, 80% were people who hadn't been vaccinated, and a majority of these also had other health conditions."
So the vaccine may help to prevent severe cases. This is significant, because one of the biggest concerns from COVID-19 is serious cases that need to be hospitalized, which leads to ICU surges, potential lack of beds, and ventilators...
And comparing countries is not recommended: https://www.bbc.com/news/52311014
TLDR: Regardless of brand, vaccines help. Period.
One of the things to be careful about is comparing the epidemiological situation in different countries, because each country isn't necessarily on the same footing.
For example, the top figure BigginHill posted are developing countries, whereas the countries in the bottom figure are developed countries. That's not too surprising because the RNA vaccine stock was largely bought up by wealthy countries. So the healthcare standards aren't the same.
Another consideration is the variants. Different countries don't always see the same variant(s) circulating. This will also affect how much protection is afforded by the vaccines. We also know that Sinopharm effectiveness against wild type SARS-CoV-2 isn't as high as compared to Moderna/Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines, so this may also be another factor in why cases are spiking.
The case of Seychelles, with its relatively high vaccination rate but rising cases, is covered here: https://www.bbc.com/news/57148348
According to the BBC, of all doses administered, "57% were Sinopharm and 43% Covishield."
Yet another factor to consider is the non-pharmaceutical measures used to mitigate COVID-19 spread. The type of restrictions applied differ from country to country, and the time at which the restrictions are lifted are also different - another reason why comparing only case numbers can give a misleading picture
But! This doesn't mean that the Sinopharm vaccine is useless - note that in the BBC report, Seychelles is seeing a rise in cases, but the number of hospitalisations are primarily in unvaccinated people: "We do know that about two-thirds of those who tested positive largely had mild or no symptoms, according to the country's health commissioner, Dr Jude Gedeon.
Of those who needed admission to hospital, 80% were people who hadn't been vaccinated, and a majority of these also had other health conditions."
So the vaccine may help to prevent severe cases. This is significant, because one of the biggest concerns from COVID-19 is serious cases that need to be hospitalized, which leads to ICU surges, potential lack of beds, and ventilators...
And comparing countries is not recommended: https://www.bbc.com/news/52311014
TLDR: Regardless of brand, vaccines help. Period.
Re: How to get Sinovac?
I don't see anybody in this thread saying that Sinovac is useless. The main point discussed here as far as I could tell is why to chose Sinovac if one can get Moderna or Pfizer.
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Right. And the main reason why a section of people are choosing sinovac is because it is made in China. Not very scientific. Not to mention that they put off getting vaccinated just waiting for the Han Chinese pride vaccine.
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This! ^^^^
And in the process, slowing the rate of vaxxing and potential herd immunity numbers sooner, rather than later.
And in the process, slowing the rate of vaxxing and potential herd immunity numbers sooner, rather than later.
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Simply put, but true.smoulder wrote: ↑Tue, 22 Jun 2021 12:28 pmIt's moronic. Hence, the references to the Sinophiles.Lisafuller wrote: ↑Tue, 22 Jun 2021 3:04 amTrue, but for individuals who can get Pfizer or Moderna, it would make no sense not to.
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Exactly. No one is disputing Sinovac’s efficacy, the point being made is simply that it would make no sense to choose Sinovac if one of the other 2 was on the table.
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And unfortunately most of these Sinophiles are part of the most vulnerable group, the elderly.
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Exactly. In the meantime, they continue to come into contact with others and endanger members of the community.sundaymorningstaple wrote: ↑Wed, 23 Jun 2021 12:52 pmThis! ^^^^
And in the process, slowing the rate of vaxxing and potential herd immunity numbers sooner, rather than later.
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While screaming racist remarks. At my MC meeting last night I came so close to punching an elderly man complaining about noisy Indian kids. I said "say that once more you old racist" and he refused to.
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At the very least, I'd be slightly cautious about anyone who is actively canvassing for a third country. But then that's a separate discussion.
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