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[liveinsgp]

Can some one assess my profile
Age-41
Race-Indian
Status- on EP, 12 years in Singapore
Married with 6 years girl and 3 years boy born here
PR pending since Jul 2022
This is my 4th time applied for PR
Annual income -130K

Hi, you got the pr result?

Not yet , close to 1 year 8 months .. not sure what’s wrong or just waiting rejection?

[hopeislife]

Not yet , close to 1 year 8 months .. not sure what’s wrong or just waiting rejection?

yeah, it can take quite long for indians. But looks like 20months seems optimistic (given that you have a complete family with good salary and length of stay), but ofcourse it just takes 1 day to give a rejection. Please do update here once you get an outcome, even if not favourable. It can be great help to other indian families just for statistics purpose. My guess is it may take 1 to 3 more months for you to know the result. However, no one knows how long your string is going to be?

[liveinsgp]

Not yet , close to 1 year 8 months .. not sure what’s wrong or just waiting rejection?

yeah, it can take quite long for indians. But looks like 20months seems optimistic (given that you have a complete family with good salary and length of stay), but ofcourse it just takes 1 day to give a rejection. Please do update here once you get an outcome, even if not favourable. It can be great help to other indian families just for statistics purpose. My guess is it may take 1 to 3 more months for you to know the result. However, no one knows how long your string is going to be?

Ok noted , lets see..

[liveinsgp]

Not yet , close to 1 year 8 months .. not sure what’s wrong or just waiting rejection?

yeah, it can take quite long for indians. But looks like 20months seems optimistic (given that you have a complete family with good salary and length of stay), but ofcourse it just takes 1 day to give a rejection. Please do update here once you get an outcome, even if not favourable. It can be great help to other indian families just for statistics purpose. My guess is it may take 1 to 3 more months for you to know the result. However, no one knows how long your string is going to be?

Ok noted , lets see..

My PR is rejected. They asked for additional current school document for my child which I had submitted after 1 week it got rejected. What should I do improve my case for next time or I should forget to apply PR looking further?

[hopeislife]

My PR is rejected. They asked for additional current school document for my child which I had submitted after 1 week it got rejected. What should I do improve my case for next time or I should forget to apply PR looking further?

Hmm, i know its tough to get rejection. Probably they asked for your child school document to know if its local or International School (just guessing). May be this schooling factor has a bearing in their decision as they have rejected in 1 week after your reply. Is your kid on international school?

I will just give below some factors that could have been a factor for your rejection in no particular order (disclaimer: just my opinion, only ica gods know the real reason)

1) Your educational background may be just to the extent of meeting the criteria, i.e, most applicants are undergraduates from india in IT or others and then come to sg and work about a decade. Something more than an undergraduate is good to have, like some masters from local uni or a better uni in other countries. Local uni may play a small role in adding small score to your integration factor. If you read many posts here in this forum, there would be many who would have done an undergrad in india and then purposefully do a postgraduate diploma or a master degree in some local or private uni in sg, as they think this can improve their chances of pr. However, there is no guarantee that doing a postgraduate degree will get a successful pr. It is just one factor. To summarize in one line, an undergrad degree from india alone might not suffice.

2) You have not really given any information regarding your wife. Is she also working in sg? How is her educational background? How long has she worked in sg. If she has not worked in sg or only worked for few years before, this could be one serious factor.

3) Your elder kid in local or international school? If in international school, try to get him/her in local school using AEIS exam. If already in local school, another way is to try making your kid to get a good score in PSLE. But i think you have some years to wait for your kid to reach PSLE. But in general, I have heard the kids got PR if did very well in PSLE. Ofcourse it depends on other factors like, if the parents are already pr.

4) Try to do some voluntary activities once in a month when you find time. In general, i dont encourage to do this before, but i do see that some approved pr applicants are asked to do volunteering for few hours before finishing pr formalities. Which means, there is a small weightage for this community activity. However, do note that this comes as the last factor for pr approval, meaning that you should score well in others like education, job, family's potential, etc. Also, you should be doing this for years to be considered for pr evaluation. Otherwise, they will just see that you are doing it only for pr.

5) It may be frustrating that after 12 years you cant ger pr. I have seen some who have not got pr even after 15 years. The competition is huge and crazy, but not impossible. Your age could be one factor. Usually after 41yrs of age, the pr chances gets affected to some extent.

6) Ofcourse, another main reason is being indian. In my opinion, one of the reasons why your application is not rejected in less than 1.5yrs is your length of stay and having family here. However, your application might not have been able to clear or score well in the final stages of evaluation.

Although i am not old enough to give you any advice, in general good will, i can say that try to develop and improve as many factors as possible, like job role, salary, skills, education of you and wife. Also, see if you can improve your kids school records. All we can do after a rejection, is just wait and improve and apply later.

[liveinsgp]

My PR is rejected. They asked for additional current school document for my child which I had submitted after 1 week it got rejected. What should I do improve my case for next time or I should forget to apply PR looking further?

Hmm, i know its tough to get rejection. Probably they asked for your child school document to know if its local or International School (just guessing). May be this schooling factor has a bearing in their decision as they have rejected in 1 week after your reply. Is your kid on international school?

I will just give below some factors that could have been a factor for your rejection in no particular order (disclaimer: just my opinion, only ica gods know the real reason)

1) Your educational background may be just to the extent of meeting the criteria, i.e, most applicants are undergraduates from india in IT or others and then come to sg and work about a decade. Something more than an undergraduate is good to have, like some masters from local uni or a better uni in other countries. Local uni may play a small role in adding small score to your integration factor. If you read many posts here in this forum, there would be many who would have done an undergrad in india and then purposefully do a postgraduate diploma or a master degree in some local or private uni in sg, as they think this can improve their chances of pr. However, there is no guarantee that doing a postgraduate degree will get a successful pr. It is just one factor. To summarize in one line, an undergrad degree from india alone might not suffice.

2) You have not really given any information regarding your wife. Is she also working in sg? How is her educational background? How long has she worked in sg. If she has not worked in sg or only worked for few years before, this could be one serious factor.

3) Your elder kid in local or international school? If in international school, try to get him/her in local school using AEIS exam. If already in local school, another way is to try making your kid to get a good score in PSLE. But i think you have some years to wait for your kid to reach PSLE. But in general, I have heard the kids got PR if did very well in PSLE. Ofcourse it depends on other factors like, if the parents are already pr.

4) Try to do some voluntary activities once in a month when you find time. In general, i dont encourage to do this before, but i do see that some approved pr applicants are asked to do volunteering for few hours before finishing pr formalities. Which means, there is a small weightage for this community activity. However, do note that this comes as the last factor for pr approval, meaning that you should score well in others like education, job, family's potential, etc. Also, you should be doing this for years to be considered for pr evaluation. Otherwise, they will just see that you are doing it only for pr.

5) It may be frustrating that after 12 years you cant ger pr. I have seen some who have not got pr even after 15 years. The competition is huge and crazy, but not impossible. Your age could be one factor. Usually after 41yrs of age, the pr chances gets affected to some extent.

6) Ofcourse, another main reason is being indian. In my opinion, one of the reasons why your application is not rejected in less than 1.5yrs is your length of stay and having family here. However, your application might not have been able to clear or score well in the final stages of evaluation.

Although i am not old enough to give you any advice, in general good will, i can say that try to develop and improve as many factors as possible, like job role, salary, skills, education of you and wife. Also, see if you can improve your kids school records. All we can do after a rejection, is just wait and improve and apply later.

Hi @hopeislife ,first of all I wanted to take a moment to express my sincere gratitude for the invaluable information you shared with me recently. Your expertise and willingness to help have made a significant difference in everyone's PR journey.
1) Yes my daughter is in Dimensions International School and currently she is P1
2) My highest qualification is Master in Technology (M.Tech specialization in Data Analytics) from reputed Indian Institute.
3) My wife was working during 2015 and 2016 in SG however after 2 kids she could not get chance to come back on her job in SG and her highest qualification is also Master degree in compute application.
4) may be I can think about putting her AEIS exam. preparation for P2 but not sure since it might put unnecessary pressure on my kid.
5) Yes we are involved in some of social activities related to GRC /CC activities however this is not frequent but of-course our involvement is not because intention of PR because we enjoy being social while doing such activities. We also have some connectivity with our local MPs. But again not in taking advantage of just to pursue PR activities. It is due to our social nature.
6) yes my age is 41 yrs now not sure this will greatly impact because I have seen many of friends whose age are between 45 and 47 and they has received PR recently.

So in nutshell , do you suggest me to apply again or should wait for my job change ? Because only status change I can upgrade myself in terms of company change and that too 2 yrs ago I had switched to current company so not sure every time I need to apply PR i need to change company just to show status change

[hopeislife]

Hi @hopeislife ,first of all I wanted to take a moment to express my sincere gratitude for the invaluable information you shared with me recently. Your expertise and willingness to help have made a significant difference in everyone's PR journey.

So in nutshell , do you suggest me to apply again or should wait for my job change ? Because only status change I can upgrade myself in terms of company change and that too 2 yrs ago I had switched to current company so not sure every time I need to apply PR i need to change company just to show status change

Hi, the information i provided is from reading this forum along with my personal experience. Im happy if its useful in someway to others, but in no way i claim i have any expertise

Regarding your point 4), yes dont pressure the kid. If she can do it without feeling pressured, its good to face AEIS.

Regarding point 6), yes, im not saying its impossilbe to get pr after 40, i just said the chances will get affected. Also, those friends (assuming they are indians too) who got in their 47 or 45, would have also had some positive scores in family profile, example, their kids doing well, or both parents earning, or something else which you and I may not know.

In general, in this forum it is suggested to wait for 2 years and build profile and then apply. However, i wont say everyone follows it. There are many who apply in 6months after rejection with not much change in profile and some who wait for 1 or 2 years and then re-apply. There are successful cases in both these scenarios.

For example, look at this youtube video where an indian form kerala (who already got his pr with family) claims that he used to re-apply for pr in 6months after rejection. He got pr after 9 to10yrs of stay in sg, and have applied 6times if i am not wrong. His approach and thinking is that, "He always applies after 2 months of rejection, so that his application will always be in the pool of pr applicants, and this increases his chances of being selected, as it shows consistency". Ofcourse, these are not his actual words, but i think he said similar statements. The video he speaks is in malayalam, which i am not very familiar, but i can understand to some extent. I am not saying it is correct to apply with 6months after rejection, but i am saying there are people who apply within 6months and get it approved or rejected. However, it is favourable to accept that the chances of approval may look better if you apply after at least 1 or 2 years, as this duration may be necessary to improve your family profile.

Regarding your job change, i am not saying you should jump job and increase salary to show as improvement. It can also mean like a promotion where you can show a higher level of job scope compared to know. Salary is one thing, but where you work and the job role and if it is a skill needed in sg, all of these will decide. If you change job, better be it with 30 to 40% salary increase and better job role and responsibilities. On another angle, it is also suggested to work in one company for longer time showing improvement, as it can be a sign of stability. I know its a bit confusing , and the only person who can decide on this is you, as i am not in your field. So whether, changing job or promoting in same company, you try to compare which can give you better profile and act.

[liveinsgp]

Hi @hopeislife ,first of all I wanted to take a moment to express my sincere gratitude for the invaluable information you shared with me recently. Your expertise and willingness to help have made a significant difference in everyone's PR journey.

So in nutshell , do you suggest me to apply again or should wait for my job change ? Because only status change I can upgrade myself in terms of company change and that too 2 yrs ago I had switched to current company so not sure every time I need to apply PR i need to change company just to show status change

Hi, the information i provided is from reading this forum along with my personal experience. Im happy if its useful in someway to others, but in no way i claim i have any expertise

Regarding your point 4), yes dont pressure the kid. If she can do it without feeling pressured, its good to face AEIS.

Regarding point 6), yes, im not saying its impossilbe to get pr after 40, i just said the chances will get affected. Also, those friends (assuming they are indians too) who got in their 47 or 45, would have also had some positive scores in family profile, example, their kids doing well, or both parents earning, or something else which you and I may not know.

In general, in this forum it is suggested to wait for 2 years and build profile and then apply. However, i wont say everyone follows it. There are many who apply in 6months after rejection with not much change in profile and some who wait for 1 or 2 years and then re-apply. There are successful cases in both these scenarios.

For example, look at this youtube video where an indian form kerala (who already got his pr with family) claims that he used to re-apply for pr in 6months after rejection. He got pr after 9 to10yrs of stay in sg, and have applied 6times if i am not wrong. His approach and thinking is that, "He always applies after 2 months of rejection, so that his application will always be in the pool of pr applicants, and this increases his chances of being selected, as it shows consistency". Ofcourse, these are not his actual words, but i think he said similar statements. The video he speaks is in malayalam, which i am not very familiar, but i can understand to some extent. I am not saying it is correct to apply with 6months after rejection, but i am saying there are people who apply within 6months and get it approved or rejected. However, it is favourable to accept that the chances of approval may look better if you apply after at least 1 or 2 years, as this duration may be necessary to improve your family profile.

Regarding your job change, i am not saying you should jump job and increase salary to show as improvement. It can also mean like a promotion where you can show a higher level of job scope compared to know. Salary is one thing, but where you work and the job role and if it is a skill needed in sg, all of these will decide. If you change job, better be it with 30 to 40% salary increase and better job role and responsibilities. On another angle, it is also suggested to work in one company for longer time showing improvement, as it can be a sign of stability. I know its a bit confusing , and the only person who can decide on this is you, as i am not in your field. So whether, changing job or promoting in same company, you try to compare which can give you better profile and act.

Hi @hopeislife, Considering all your positive feedback , sure will act accordingly. Thanks for your support and guidance.

[runsunrun]

Hello Everyone,
Silent lurker and finally want to contribute a bit from my end:
1. Application Mid March 2023
2. 1st Inquiry from ICA Mid January 2024
3. Proceed to button upload button disappearance somewhere in last week of March
4. Approval - 2 weeks from disappearance

I did use many of the hints to "guess" the outcome, and some of them do hold true. All the best to everyone who are still waiting. Thanks!

[ask]

Hello Everyone,
Silent lurker and finally want to contribute a bit from my end:
1. Application Mid March 2023
2. 1st Inquiry from ICA Mid January 2024
3. Proceed to button upload button disappearance somewhere in last week of March
4. Approval - 2 weeks from disappearance

I did use many of the hints to "guess" the outcome, and some of them do hold true. All the best to everyone who are still waiting. Thanks!

Hi

Thanks for the info, possible to share length of stay, education, field of work and age. Will be helpful for forum members. Thanks

[Strong Eagle]

Hi

Thanks for the info, possible to share length of stay, education, field of work and age. Will be helpful for forum members. Thanks

How will it be "helpful"? It will be meaningless. You can completely match the demographics you mentioned and still have a different outcome. How is that helpful?

[NYY1]

Hi

Thanks for the info, possible to share length of stay, education, field of work and age. Will be helpful for forum members. Thanks

How will it be "helpful"? It will be meaningless. You can completely match the demographics you mentioned and still have a different outcome. How is that helpful?

I disagree. How do the moderators or old timers here have the knowledge to reply or give their opinion from time to time? They've seen a lot of profiles over the years and have some sense of what has a better chance. That's generally a good thing (knowledge base), although sometimes it's not so good either (the situation changes and people are still stuck on what they "know" from before).

No one is saying because someone with X, Y, and Z got it (or didn't get it), that applies to me and everyone else.

But read enough (or know enough people trying for PR or SC) and it's pretty clear for different demographics what has a good chance and what faces very long odds. Even so, you can have a good chance and not get it while someone with long odds can get it. If that's all your saying, I agree.

In contrast, if you are just suggesting the only info that is needed here is "approved" or "not approved" because regardless of what else is said or not said, it doesn't matter, then that seems a bit silly. Why even have the forum? Why did all of these threads exist or why does anyone even bother to reply?

[hopeislife]

Hello Everyone,
Silent lurker and finally want to contribute a bit from my end:
1. Application Mid March 2023
2. 1st Inquiry from ICA Mid January 2024
3. Proceed to button upload button disappearance somewhere in last week of March
4. Approval - 2 weeks from disappearance

I did use many of the hints to "guess" the outcome, and some of them do hold true. All the best to everyone who are still waiting. Thanks!

Thanks that you had intention to contribute to the forum, but the information you shared is not really contributing anything to this forum. It does not convey anything to the readers other than regarding your timeline of application and processing time. It is not helpful because these timelines can vary for each applicant and has no relevance. For example your approval took around 12months time while it took around 21 months time for me to get my approval.

Like suggested by another forum member 'Ask", If you really want to contribute you can share
(if you are ok to share) info regarding your profile i.e., length of stay, education, field of work and age, family etc. Will be helpful for other forum members. Thanks

[Strong Eagle]

NYY1, it's an armchair guessing game, just like predicting the outcome of the next game for your favorite sports team. You've got the stats and the latest starters. But you don't know the details inside the clubhouse. It's fun but it's not helpful, and it won't help you with your bet without inside information.

So... historically, we know all the demographic baselines: Malaysian Chinese, best chances, Indians, not so hot, ang mo's, not much chance... Vietnamese, who knows? From the Congo? Have a nice life... just not in Singapore. But, it's not the broad demographics that get an individual accepted or rejected. It's the individual's circumstances within the demographic that make the difference. Not all Malaysian Chinese get in. Not all Indians are rejected. Some ang mo's like me get PR.

So... you ask your questions for "helpful" information and you find: You've both been in Singapore X years, same level of education from a reputed uni, both a senior manager in a widget factory, both 34.567 years old. One gets approved, one does not. How can that be?

The list of reasons is endless. Criminal records. Job hopping. Too many aunties, uncles, cousins, and nephews that want to tag along. Unpaid debts. Many residences. Divorces. No savings. In debt. Poor grades. Made redundant. Lying on your application. Transferred to too many countries too many times by your company. Salary histories don't match.

This is the reason that such comparisons are not helpful. They don't tell you anything about the actual criteria used in making the selections and the gahmen won't tell you, either.

So, if you wish, ask away. Get your hopes up because you match all the demographics that were listed, only to have your hopes dashed when you get your rejection letter. Or mope around for 3 months, waiting for your rejection letter because the poor sap with the same demographics got rejected... only... 3 months later, you get the acceptance letter.

It's the forum form of gossip. Fun perhaps but not helpful.

PS: Do you think that all the other ang mo applicants whose PR was rejected had any bearing on whether my application was accepted or rejected?

[NYY1]

NYY1, it's an armchair guessing game, just like predicting the outcome of the next game for your favorite sports team. You've got the stats and the latest starters. But you don't know the details inside the clubhouse. It's fun but it's not helpful, and it won't help you with your bet without inside information.

So... historically, we know all the demographic baselines: Malaysian Chinese, best chances, Indians, not so hot, ang mo's, not much chance... Vietnamese, who knows? From the Congo? Have a nice life... just not in Singapore. But, it's not the broad demographics that get an individual accepted or rejected. It's the individual's circumstances within the demographic that make the difference. Not all Malaysian Chinese get in. Not all Indians are rejected. Some ang mo's like me get PR.

So... you ask your questions for "helpful" information and you find: You've both been in Singapore X years, same level of education from a reputed uni, both a senior manager in a widget factory, both 34.567 years old. One gets approved, one does not. How can that be?

The list of reasons is endless. Criminal records. Job hopping. Too many aunties, uncles, cousins, and nephews that want to tag along. Unpaid debts. Many residences. Divorces. No savings. In debt. Poor grades. Made redundant. Lying on your application. Transferred to too many countries too many times by your company. Salary histories don't match.

This is the reason that such comparisons are not helpful. They don't tell you anything about the actual criteria used in making the selections and the gahmen won't tell you, either.

So, if you wish, ask away. Get your hopes up because you match all the demographics that were listed, only to have your hopes dashed when you get your rejection letter. Or mope around for 3 months, waiting for your rejection letter because the poor sap with the same demographics got rejected... only... 3 months later, you get the acceptance letter.

It's the forum form of gossip. Fun perhaps but not helpful.

PS: Do you think that all the other ang mo applicants whose PR was rejected had any bearing on whether my application was accepted or rejected?

So how would you know the baselines if all there was here was a username and approved or not? Similarly, for yourself, I believe there were other attributes besides just an ang mo. Again, IMO it is kind of silly to believe no details are better than more details because we don't know all of the details.

Definitive? Of course not, but know enough people/cases and one can tell even some of the "stock" answers here are not always correct. One can say this is due to the endless list of other reasons or it could be that things have changed (what didn't fly yesterday now has some chance).

Anyways, we can all believe what we want to believe. Perhaps some people read and talk to people, and can process information differently than others. Could impact a lot of decision making beyond what's being discussed here.