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Re: PR Approval Probability 2021

Post by Yowsers » Sat, 08 Oct 2022 7:41 am

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Tue, 13 Apr 2021 6:37 am
Hi keen to know your thoughts on probability , thinking about my for my 3rd application. 1st rejected in 2015 (i was single). 2nd rejected in 2019 (i got married). If i apply again, will be with a son born in 2019.

Me : 42 on (EP since 2013)
Nationality: Australian
Race: Indian
Tax returns since 2013 (8 years)
Income: approx $200k pa basic ($400k with iras after bonuses , commission etc).
Industry: IT (sales)
Education: engineering and MBA from Australia.

Wife is 33: Indonesian
been in SG since marriage in 2017 on DP. Not worked as we wanted to start a family, which luckily we have. Education: Bachelors and Masters from the main uni in Indonesia

Dragging out this old post. I know nothing is predictable but I am always curious to know the moderators thoughts. So my PR application has been pending since May 2021. In August 2022, I was asked to submit full family CV for myself and wife (jobs, salaries, parents etc). The ‘submit requested docs’ is still there. Its now November 2022, so its just over 16 months since initial submission. I saw a post about possible ‘family baggage’. I don’t think so, siblings are all married/ their independent lives in their countries, parents/in-laws are retired with passive income well settled 40+ years in Aus, hardly visited Singapore and not dependant us (1 parent from wife also deceased ). Whaddya reckon moderators?

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Re: PR Approval Probability 2021

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 08 Oct 2022 12:01 pm

Okay, I'm thinking it should be okay. However.

What is unknown by us here, but maybe you or your wife know the answer to this question: Is or were any of your wife's family (still in Indonesia) former government officials or Military officers? Potentially of her Grandparents era. If so, this potentially could have bearing as well. Indo and Sg haven't always been that friendly so I'm sure (your wife is rather young) she's probably heard the stories of the McDonald House bombing here during Konfrontasi (1963–1966) under former President Sukarno. Often it's just a fishing expedition by ICA but you can see the reason if you think about it. Barring any links there, I think it's just a matter of time (hopefully) before you get some good news. Baggage comes in many forms......
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Re: PR Approval Probability 2021

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 08 Oct 2022 12:09 pm

To give you an idea of the memory of this country (they never forget anything). Here one that happened here in recent memory relating to the above mentioned event.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ ... r-at-large
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Re: PR Approval Probability 2021

Post by John1541 » Sat, 08 Oct 2022 4:26 pm

@Yowsers: We are in same boat. Mine pending since 27th May 2021. In Jan 2022 ICA ask me to submit payslips and my wife education details. And in May 2022 aks me to submit my family details. In Aug 2022 there was additional details requested about my mother in law profile. After that no news yet. I am going crazy everyday thinking about this PR. Not sure reason behind this much long processing for my application. I am sure no one can guess and of course we cant do anything except waiting. Best of luck for you dear

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Re: PR Approval Probability 2021

Post by singaporeflyer » Sat, 08 Oct 2022 11:43 pm

John1541 wrote:
Sat, 08 Oct 2022 4:26 pm
@Yowsers: We are in same boat. Mine pending since 27th May 2021. In Jan 2022 ICA ask me to submit payslips and my wife education details. And in May 2022 aks me to submit my family details. In Aug 2022 there was additional details requested about my mother in law profile. After that no news yet. I am going crazy everyday thinking about this PR. Not sure reason behind this much long processing for my application. I am sure no one can guess and of course we cant do anything except waiting. Best of luck for you dear
Very high chance. Wait patiently

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Re: PR Approval Probability 2021

Post by John1541 » Sat, 08 Oct 2022 11:55 pm

@singaporeflyer: Thank you very much. I am sure will update back here once i have outcome and even after that will continue to share my knowledge irrespective of my outcome.

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Re: PR Approval Probability 2021

Post by volarb098 » Sun, 09 Oct 2022 1:00 pm

Hi, guys would love to know how you would rate my chances for PR approval?
I know my stay has been on the very, very short side and that ideally I would wait another 1-2 years before applying.
However, my industry has recently been a bit unstable so I would prefer to have the security of a PR rather than rely on an EP. Therefore, I don't want to delay the application too long if possible
Thank you very much for all comments!


Me: 30
Nationality: Swiss
Race: Chinese, both parents Chinese
Time in Singapore: 7 Months
Income: Base 300k, Gross >500k
Industry: Data Science, Machine Learning
Education: Masters and Bachelors from US University (Harvard, MIT, Stanford etc...)
Marital Status: Single

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Re: PR Approval Probability 2021

Post by singaporeflyer » Sun, 09 Oct 2022 1:17 pm

volarb098 wrote:
Sun, 09 Oct 2022 1:00 pm
Hi, guys would love to know how you would rate my chances for PR approval?
I know my stay has been on the very, very short side and that ideally I would wait another 1-2 years before applying.
However, my industry has recently been a bit unstable so I would prefer to have the security of a PR rather than rely on an EP. Therefore, I don't want to delay the application too long if possible
Thank you very much for all comments!


Me: 30
Nationality: Swiss
Race: Chinese, both parents Chinese
Time in Singapore: 7 Months
Income: Base 300k, Gross >500k
Industry: Data Science, Machine Learning
Education: Masters and Bachelors from US University (Harvard, MIT, Stanford etc...)
Marital Status: Single
Not going to be easy. Very low chance for another 2 years. ICA clearly knows about the industry stability issues. Consider taking PEP.

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Re: PR Approval Probability 2021

Post by volarb098 » Sun, 09 Oct 2022 1:27 pm

Hi Singaporeflyer, just wanted to ask - is the low chance due to my duration of stay in Singapore or is there some other factor working against my application? Thank you for your help!

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Re: PR Approval Probability 2021

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Sun, 09 Oct 2022 4:21 pm

Low Stay duration and high salary. Very valuable and due to that, you are basically a flight risk to the highest bidder, statistically speaking. Generally it appears that if you are highly saleable you don't make good PR material (e.g., future SGC). This especially so as you are single as well, so little chance that a family might dissuade you from taking up another position.

However, the cost of trying isn't that much, but if you are denied you will need to ideally wait 2 years from date of rejection. By that time at least you will have at least one renewal and that will be a plus. otherwise, you already tick the right ethnic buttons but they don't like setting precedences as then where do they cut it off. I would have to agree with SF on this one. Apply for a PEP if you think the position is untenable. You are a shoe-in there and even when the entry salary goes up you are still qualified for it. You can only use it once, but it's good for 36 months.
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Re: PR Approval Probability 2021

Post by truthhurts1 » Sun, 09 Oct 2022 4:52 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Sun, 09 Oct 2022 4:21 pm
Low Stay duration and high salary. Very valuable and due to that, you are basically a flight risk to the highest bidder, statistically speaking. Generally it appears that if you are highly saleable you don't make good PR material (e.g., future SGC). This especially so as you are single as well, so little chance that a family might dissuade you from taking up another position.

However, the cost of trying isn't that much, but if you are denied you will need to ideally wait 2 years from date of rejection. By that time at least you will have at least one renewal and that will be a plus. otherwise, you already tick the right ethnic buttons but they don't like setting precedences as then where do they cut it off. I would have to agree with SF on this one. Apply for a PEP if you think the position is untenable. You are a shoe-in there and even when the entry salary goes up you are still qualified for it. You can only use it once, but it's good for 36 months.


Hey sundaymorningstaple thank you for all you do for the members here.

I applied for the 4th time in last 9 years and this time the rejection did not come in within the exact 4 months like it happened first 3 times.
Maybe there is a chance this time?
Doesn’t make any difference I guess Lol

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Re: PR Approval Probability 2021

Post by Yowsers » Sun, 09 Oct 2022 5:25 pm

John1541 wrote:
Sat, 08 Oct 2022 4:26 pm
@Yowsers: We are in same boat. Mine pending since 27th May 2021. In Jan 2022 ICA ask me to submit payslips and my wife education details. And in May 2022 aks me to submit my family details. In Aug 2022 there was additional details requested about my mother in law profile. After that no news yet. I am going crazy everyday thinking about this PR. Not sure reason behind this much long processing for my application. I am sure no one can guess and of course we cant do anything except waiting. Best of luck for you dear
What was the specific ask about mother in law? Feel free to pm me if not comfortable.

And to answer the questions I was asked. My Indonesia family have zero government jobs/connections. If anything my Australian family worked in public sector. Non political type jobs such as government health policy, social security etc. i guess we wait and see. Will need to update a change or address soon, was hoping it would be closed within the 2 year lease :)

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Re: PR Approval Probability 2021

Post by MOCHS » Sun, 09 Oct 2022 5:58 pm

I’m surprised to hear that machine learning & data science is unstable?? I thought it was a hot industry with all the “smart nation” talks going around.

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Re: PR Approval Probability 2021

Post by gold.spot » Sun, 09 Oct 2022 6:05 pm

MOCHS wrote:
Sun, 09 Oct 2022 5:58 pm
I’m surprised to hear that machine learning & data science is unstable?? I thought it was a hot industry with all the “smart nation” talks going around.
Though I'm not from the industry, i have lots of friends in the industry (and perhaps so do you as well?) - word is that the outlook is not great and hiring freezes for non SGC/SPR have been happening in more companies than not.

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Re: PR Approval Probability 2021

Post by gold.spot » Sun, 09 Oct 2022 6:30 pm

truthhurts1 wrote:
Sun, 09 Oct 2022 4:52 pm
sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Sun, 09 Oct 2022 4:21 pm
Low Stay duration and high salary. Very valuable and due to that, you are basically a flight risk to the highest bidder, statistically speaking. Generally it appears that if you are highly saleable you don't make good PR material (e.g., future SGC). This especially so as you are single as well, so little chance that a family might dissuade you from taking up another position.

However, the cost of trying isn't that much, but if you are denied you will need to ideally wait 2 years from date of rejection. By that time at least you will have at least one renewal and that will be a plus. otherwise, you already tick the right ethnic buttons but they don't like setting precedences as then where do they cut it off. I would have to agree with SF on this one. Apply for a PEP if you think the position is untenable. You are a shoe-in there and even when the entry salary goes up you are still qualified for it. You can only use it once, but it's good for 36 months.


Hey sundaymorningstaple thank you for all you do for the members here.

I applied for the 4th time in last 9 years and this time the rejection did not come in within the exact 4 months like it happened first 3 times.
Maybe there is a chance this time?
Doesn’t make any difference I guess Lol
Doesn't make a difference.

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