PR Approval Probability 2021

[sundaymorningstaple]

Low Stay duration and high salary. Very valuable and due to that, you are basically a flight risk to the highest bidder, statistically speaking. Generally it appears that if you are highly saleable you don't make good PR material (e.g., future SGC). This especially so as you are single as well, so little chance that a family might dissuade you from taking up another position.

However, the cost of trying isn't that much, but if you are denied you will need to ideally wait 2 years from date of rejection. By that time at least you will have at least one renewal and that will be a plus. otherwise, you already tick the right ethnic buttons but they don't like setting precedences as then where do they cut it off. I would have to agree with SF on this one. Apply for a PEP if you think the position is untenable. You are a shoe-in there and even when the entry salary goes up you are still qualified for it. You can only use it once, but it's good for 36 months.

[truthhurts1]

Low Stay duration and high salary. Very valuable and due to that, you are basically a flight risk to the highest bidder, statistically speaking. Generally it appears that if you are highly saleable you don't make good PR material (e.g., future SGC). This especially so as you are single as well, so little chance that a family might dissuade you from taking up another position.

However, the cost of trying isn't that much, but if you are denied you will need to ideally wait 2 years from date of rejection. By that time at least you will have at least one renewal and that will be a plus. otherwise, you already tick the right ethnic buttons but they don't like setting precedences as then where do they cut it off. I would have to agree with SF on this one. Apply for a PEP if you think the position is untenable. You are a shoe-in there and even when the entry salary goes up you are still qualified for it. You can only use it once, but it's good for 36 months.

Hey sundaymorningstaple thank you for all you do for the members here.

I applied for the 4th time in last 9 years and this time the rejection did not come in within the exact 4 months like it happened first 3 times.
Maybe there is a chance this time?
Doesn’t make any difference I guess Lol

[Yowsers]

@Yowsers: We are in same boat. Mine pending since 27th May 2021. In Jan 2022 ICA ask me to submit payslips and my wife education details. And in May 2022 aks me to submit my family details. In Aug 2022 there was additional details requested about my mother in law profile. After that no news yet. I am going crazy everyday thinking about this PR. Not sure reason behind this much long processing for my application. I am sure no one can guess and of course we cant do anything except waiting. Best of luck for you dear

What was the specific ask about mother in law? Feel free to pm me if not comfortable.

And to answer the questions I was asked. My Indonesia family have zero government jobs/connections. If anything my Australian family worked in public sector. Non political type jobs such as government health policy, social security etc. i guess we wait and see. Will need to update a change or address soon, was hoping it would be closed within the 2 year lease

[MOCHS]

I’m surprised to hear that machine learning & data science is unstable?? I thought it was a hot industry with all the “smart nation” talks going around.

[gold.spot]

I’m surprised to hear that machine learning & data science is unstable?? I thought it was a hot industry with all the “smart nation” talks going around.

Though I'm not from the industry, i have lots of friends in the industry (and perhaps so do you as well?) - word is that the outlook is not great and hiring freezes for non SGC/SPR have been happening in more companies than not.

[gold.spot]

Low Stay duration and high salary. Very valuable and due to that, you are basically a flight risk to the highest bidder, statistically speaking. Generally it appears that if you are highly saleable you don't make good PR material (e.g., future SGC). This especially so as you are single as well, so little chance that a family might dissuade you from taking up another position.

However, the cost of trying isn't that much, but if you are denied you will need to ideally wait 2 years from date of rejection. By that time at least you will have at least one renewal and that will be a plus. otherwise, you already tick the right ethnic buttons but they don't like setting precedences as then where do they cut it off. I would have to agree with SF on this one. Apply for a PEP if you think the position is untenable. You are a shoe-in there and even when the entry salary goes up you are still qualified for it. You can only use it once, but it's good for 36 months.

Hey sundaymorningstaple thank you for all you do for the members here.

I applied for the 4th time in last 9 years and this time the rejection did not come in within the exact 4 months like it happened first 3 times.
Maybe there is a chance this time?
Doesn’t make any difference I guess Lol

Doesn't make a difference.

[MOCHS]

Though I'm not from the industry, i have lots of friends in the industry (and perhaps so do you as well?) - word is that the outlook is not great and hiring freezes for non SGC/SPR have been happening in more companies than not.

Unfortunately, I don’t know any one from the industry and my company recently made most of the staff learn the basics of AI & machine learning. So I was under the impression that it seems to be the “in thing” right now.

[smoulder]

I’m surprised to hear that machine learning & data science is unstable?? I thought it was a hot industry with all the “smart nation” talks going around.

Though I'm not from the industry, i have lots of friends in the industry (and perhaps so do you as well?) - word is that the outlook is not great and hiring freezes for non SGC/SPR have been happening in more companies than not.

That usually means that they either have enough of (mostly Indian) PRs who can do the job or they are simply moving the jobs elsewhere. In general, IT related work is only increasing as a global trend.

In the Singapore context, these tech jobs are usually over represented by foreigners, so the companies probably have difficulties getting EPs approved.

This is really a recurring problem in the tech industry in general here. The other issue, I suspect is that save for a select few companies that are consumers of technology and therefore require skilled resources to help implement and maintain it, there isn't enough innovation and product development being driven out of Singapore. Most product companies will typically have some pre sales "techies" with very shallow subject matter knowledge in their respective fields. I could be wrong, but the difficulty in hiring could be a contributory factor.

[John1541]

@Yowsers: We are in same boat. Mine pending since 27th May 2021. In Jan 2022 ICA ask me to submit payslips and my wife education details. And in May 2022 aks me to submit my family details. In Aug 2022 there was additional details requested about my mother in law profile. After that no news yet. I am going crazy everyday thinking about this PR. Not sure reason behind this much long processing for my application. I am sure no one can guess and of course we cant do anything except waiting. Best of luck for you dear

What was the specific ask about mother in law? Feel free to pm me if not comfortable.

And to answer the questions I was asked. My Indonesia family have zero government jobs/connections. If anything my Australian family worked in public sector. Non political type jobs such as government health policy, social security etc. i guess we wait and see. Will need to update a change or address soon, was hoping it would be closed within the 2 year lease

In the initial request, i did not mention about my mother in law profile as she never done any job. All the time she is home maker. I sent an email to ICA after i submit family profile explaining why i did miss my mother in law profile and they responded that if required will ask. After around 2 months they came back and ask to submit profile.

Just summary of my family profile is, my spouse side she does not siblings, father retired govt primary teacher now he is 73 and mother 65 old she is home maker. They have pension and rental income, so never dependent on us financially and they never visited Singapore in last 11 years.

I have one younger brother who is 34 years now well settled into real estate business and my mother is 65 looking after agri farms. My father no more. Even my family also not visited to Sg so far.

[Yowsers]

@john1541 , i see. Good luck and lets keep updated. There cannot be too many of us with PR applications pending 17months+ , hopefully finalises soon.

[John1541]

@john1541 , i see. Good luck and lets keep updated. There cannot be too many of us with PR applications pending 17months+ , hopefully finalises soon.

Best of luck brother. Hope it will be soon. Keep you posted

[sundaymorningstaple]

There cannot be too many of us with PR applications pending 17months+ , hopefully finalises soon.

Based on the small sampling of readers answers on this board, I'd say there are quite a few. Even exceeding 24 months. We just had another at 27 months recently.
(26 months was the previous record on here). Never try counting chickens before they hatch or that they will hatch at all. Just keep your fingers crossed and pray to whomever or whatever....

[Yowsers]

Definitely not counting chickens before they hatch! By ‘finalises’ I meant a decision either way - not necessarily approved. Good to know!

[sundaymorningstaple]

Definitely not counting chickens before they hatch! By ‘finalises’ I meant a decision either way - not necessarily approved. Good to know!

I also meant a decision either way. We've actually seen both happen here. (Rejection and/or approval)

[lyricism2454]

Hi folks, I've been a lurker here and benefitted from this forum, so I want to contribute back:

I just got my first PR application approved on ICA website (still waiting for the IPA letter itself to arrive in the mailbox).

Profile:
Job: Software Engineer
Gender: Male
Age: 25, single
Nationality: Indonesian
Race: Chinese
Length of stay: 10 years
Education: Completed O levels, A levels in Singapore and then Bachelor's Degree in NUS
Annual salary: $100k at the time of application

For some timeline: I applied end-Aug 2021. On March 2022, ICA emailed me asking for proof of Chinese descent. I also had a salary increase to $140k around that time and I updated ICA accordingly.