PR Dilemma - Help needed

[the observer]

Strange, he didnt challenge me when i said White Supremacy.

[vig.srinivasan93]

I am not oversensitive and further with full sense of responsibility only I wrote ( for your posting...""Without knowing anything don't comment" is too broad"). This forum is to find out or getting advise on PR and Citizenship...etc. There is no need for Politics or analysing how another country behaves. Hence my comment is appropriate to indicate that let the comments be non-political and non intrusive in to any other country...etc. Just see very seniors like SMS and SF ... how valuable their comments are. I know about Australia too but from my personal experience I would suggest SINGAPORE IS FAR FAR BETTER and GIVES GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP. Any how individual cases can differ on the basis of their profile. Just getting Citizenship may not be enough in all cases.

[tyl80]

Why do you need a second citizenship? Work here, build your assets and move back to India far better off when you are ready for retirement or even earlier - the long term growth potential in India is far higher than Australia or Singapore. You'll struggle every day financially in Australia, it is not like the US and is far more expensive than Singapore (I am am an Australian).

Thanks PNGMK for your inputs.

Unfortunately moving back to India will not work out for us, as we have become accustomed to a safe and secure, clean, politically stable and hassle free lifestyle.

I do understand gaining the financial independence issues with Aus, SG is much better in this case.

Any ideas from the old age angle - Healthcare expenses, retirement benefits etc. Are they any better given I would be paying higher taxes for whole life?

Appreciate your response. Cheers

[PNGMK]

Australia will be better for old age - medicare and the pension should be there if you become citizens and that will provide. The reality is though you will only achieve a low to mid class existence in Australia without either inherited wealth or perhaps a successful business.

I don't quite agree with you re India. I have spent years working and travelling around India and if you have the means to move somewhere like Dehradun and set up a family compound it can be safe and secure and very pleasant - of course you needs a couple million at hand to do that. Anyways your decision.

Personally if I were you I'd be looking to move to Canada or perhaps the USA if you really want to leave Singapore. The upside is much much stronger than Oz.

My personal plans are to stay in Singapore for a few more years and then liquidate and move to the US where my wife is from. The cost of living in the US (in my estimate) is about 1/3 of Australia. I'm serious - it's a very expensive country to live in now.

[PNGMK]

I am not oversensitive and further with full sense of responsibility only I wrote ( for your posting...""Without knowing anything don't comment" is too broad"). This forum is to find out or getting advise on PR and Citizenship...etc. There is no need for Politics or analysing how another country behaves. Hence my comment is appropriate to indicate that let the comments be non-political and non intrusive in to any other country...etc. Just see very seniors like SMS and SF ... how valuable their comments are. I know about Australia too but from my personal experience I would suggest SINGAPORE IS FAR FAR BETTER and GIVES GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP. Any how individual cases can differ on the basis of their profile. Just getting Citizenship may not be enough in all cases.

You don't get to tell me what to think or say.

[TropicalExpat]

Australia will be better for old age - medicare and the pension should be there if you become citizens and that will provide. The reality is though you will only achieve a low to mid class existence in Australia without either inherited wealth or perhaps a successful business.

I don't quite agree with you re India. I have spent years working and travelling around India and if you have the means to move somewhere like Dehradun and set up a family compound it can be safe and secure and very pleasant - of course you needs a couple million at hand to do that. Anyways your decision.

Personally if I were you I'd be looking to move to Canada or perhaps the USA if you really want to leave Singapore. The upside is much much stronger than Oz.

My personal plans are to stay in Singapore for a few more years and then liquidate and move to the US where my wife is from. The cost of living in the US (in my estimate) is about 1/3 of Australia. I'm serious - it's a very expensive country to live in now.

Every time I go to the States I am always surprised how cheap things are!!!

[the observer]

I am not oversensitive and further with full sense of responsibility only I wrote ( for your posting...""Without knowing anything don't comment" is too broad"). This forum is to find out or getting advise on PR and Citizenship...etc. There is no need for Politics or analysing how another country behaves. Hence my comment is appropriate to indicate that let the comments be non-political and non intrusive in to any other country...etc. Just see very seniors like SMS and SF ... how valuable their comments are. I know about Australia too but from my personal experience I would suggest SINGAPORE IS FAR FAR BETTER and GIVES GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP. Any how individual cases can differ on the basis of their profile. Just getting Citizenship may not be enough in all cases.

Contrary to your belief, I think politics matter, in shaping where I would like to live, or bring my kids up. It many not matter as much to a transient worker, which you probably are.

My wife is Singaporean, and I have spent a few years in Australia, so I can pretty much have an opinion on either, and I don’t see a need to sugar coat anything, especially for you.

[the observer]

This is in regard to "the observer" posting on 4th Oct 2020 .... "From Hindu nationalism via Modi, to white supremacy via Trump, whatever you want to call this current sentiment, it looks like it will be here to stay." Do you know the rights of minorities in India. Without knowing anything dont comment on India. As such you r not an indian and hence dont try to bull..... here. I hope you understood the message. Who asked you (if you were an indian which country you will consider)... you know UK how they give sanctuary to all kinds of "FRAUDSTERS" in the name of Human rights... Any how you have not posted anything valuable and you are not knowing anything on this subject. So my advise is better keep your mouth shut.

I won’t shut my mouth, ever. In fact, I’d add that your grey matter couldn’t comprehend the message I was conveying. For the mentally challenged, I’d say that the populism wave is en vogue, and that’s going to cause politicians to pander to the masses just to remain/gain power. We all know sentiment on the ground in sg is at present, and if a fool wants to remain ignorant, so be it.

Fwiw, I don’t give a rats ass about Hindu nationalism.

[tyl80]

Australia will be better for old age - medicare and the pension should be there if you become citizens and that will provide. The reality is though you will only achieve a low to mid class existence in Australia without either inherited wealth or perhaps a successful business.

I don't quite agree with you re India. I have spent years working and travelling around India and if you have the means to move somewhere like Dehradun and set up a family compound it can be safe and secure and very pleasant - of course you needs a couple million at hand to do that. Anyways your decision.

Personally if I were you I'd be looking to move to Canada or perhaps the USA if you really want to leave Singapore. The upside is much much stronger than Oz.

My personal plans are to stay in Singapore for a few more years and then liquidate and move to the US where my wife is from. The cost of living in the US (in my estimate) is about 1/3 of Australia. I'm serious - it's a very expensive country to live in now.

This is really helpful and provides a very good perspective on the things as they are.

US and Canada never occurred to me. US was all guns and Canada was all snow in mu mind - Ignorant me

High cost of living in OZ comes up many times when I talk to my friends who are in OZ. Fair point.

Thanks again for your insights. In near future I will share - whether I would keep taking the Red pill or switch to the Blue pill

[tyl80]

I am not oversensitive and further with full sense of responsibility only I wrote ( for your posting...""Without knowing anything don't comment" is too broad"). This forum is to find out or getting advise on PR and Citizenship...etc. There is no need for Politics or analysing how another country behaves. Hence my comment is appropriate to indicate that let the comments be non-political and non intrusive in to any other country...etc. Just see very seniors like SMS and SF ... how valuable their comments are. I know about Australia too but from my personal experience I would suggest SINGAPORE IS FAR FAR BETTER and GIVES GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP. Any how individual cases can differ on the basis of their profile. Just getting Citizenship may not be enough in all cases.

Contrary to your belief, I think politics matter, in shaping where I would like to live, or bring my kids up. It many not matter as much to a transient worker, which you probably are.

My wife is Singaporean, and I have spent a few years in Australia, so I can pretty much have an opinion on either, and I don’t see a need to sugar coat anything, especially for you.

@the observer - your post was very apt. Political scenario, populism and other local sentiments are very high up in the list while making an immigration choice. We can't control these factors but being an ostrich about it is simply foolish. Your analysis on this matter was relevant and correct and thanks for shining light on this. Keep speaking your mind! Cheers

[PNGMK]

Australia will be better for old age - medicare and the pension should be there if you become citizens and that will provide. The reality is though you will only achieve a low to mid class existence in Australia without either inherited wealth or perhaps a successful business.

I don't quite agree with you re India. I have spent years working and travelling around India and if you have the means to move somewhere like Dehradun and set up a family compound it can be safe and secure and very pleasant - of course you needs a couple million at hand to do that. Anyways your decision.

Personally if I were you I'd be looking to move to Canada or perhaps the USA if you really want to leave Singapore. The upside is much much stronger than Oz.

My personal plans are to stay in Singapore for a few more years and then liquidate and move to the US where my wife is from. The cost of living in the US (in my estimate) is about 1/3 of Australia. I'm serious - it's a very expensive country to live in now.

This is really helpful and provides a very good perspective on the things as they are.

US and Canada never occurred to me. US was all guns and Canada was all snow in mu mind - Ignorant me

High cost of living in OZ comes up many times when I talk to my friends who are in OZ. Fair point.

Thanks again for your insights. In near future I will share - whether I would keep taking the Red pill or switch to the Blue pill

The issue with the cost of living in Oz is that it is a relatively new problem that a lot of potential immigrants miss in the noise - it's a sort of a 2000 onward problem and a lot of Aussies don't understand that it is NOT normal to pay $50 for a meal in a restaurant PP or $500,000 for a shitbox in a dead suburb or $2/litre for petrol or $30,000 for a normal car and $250 for groceries. In the USA a sit down meal is easily under $20 if you don't go crazy and our 4 bed 2 bath house on 4 acres was $200,000 and cars are half the price, groceries are SO cheap in the state we are in.

[PNGMK]

Australia will be better for old age - medicare and the pension should be there if you become citizens and that will provide. The reality is though you will only achieve a low to mid class existence in Australia without either inherited wealth or perhaps a successful business.

I don't quite agree with you re India. I have spent years working and travelling around India and if you have the means to move somewhere like Dehradun and set up a family compound it can be safe and secure and very pleasant - of course you needs a couple million at hand to do that. Anyways your decision.

Personally if I were you I'd be looking to move to Canada or perhaps the USA if you really want to leave Singapore. The upside is much much stronger than Oz.

My personal plans are to stay in Singapore for a few more years and then liquidate and move to the US where my wife is from. The cost of living in the US (in my estimate) is about 1/3 of Australia. I'm serious - it's a very expensive country to live in now.

Every time I go to the States I am always surprised how cheap things are!!!

Yes, that's the one advantage of true market capitalism as opposed to price control, market control and competition inhibition as practiced in Singapore or Australia.

[ProvenPracticalFlexible]

US is big, so I'd say it really depends. My last visits to US I'm always surprised how expensive it is, still maybe a bit cheaper than Australia. Eating out is about 1usd to 1sgd if not more when you add the mandatory tips. My destination are Seattle, Dallas, LA (places where could find well paid jobs if needed to move).

Also American colleague who moved back after 10 years here, pays more to rent in Dallas then used to pay for a 4BR condo in orchard area. Buying with property taxes would be even more expensive. Of course that comes with the good and bad school districts issue in US. So for more remote retirement destination I'm sure things would be different but that's a bit like moving to Malaysia in local context.

[malcontent]

The OP seems fine being a minority in either country - the question is, which has better prospects for citizenship and a family?

The two main reasons people stay in Singapore are love or money. Love meaning any family or social connections, and money is anything from career prospects to an expat package. If you do not have either of those draws, it is usually not worth the sacrifice and struggle, which only gets amplified as you try and grow a family here. This is only logical because Singapore has limited space... they can’t make it too easy for everyone, or it would quickly become unlivable.

In an underpopulated country like Australia, you’ve got abundance, fewer constraints, less scarcity, and a much lower cost of living. Owning a freehold landed property and driving a car are not luxuries. No fighting to get a seat in a your choice of school, no tutors to help your kids pass high stakes exams, no endless piles of homework. And, if you don’t care for one city, you can move. Singapore is one city.

[PNGMK]

US is big, so I'd say it really depends. My last visits to US I'm always surprised how expensive it is, still maybe a bit cheaper than Australia. Eating out is about 1usd to 1sgd if not more when you add the mandatory tips. My destination are Seattle, Dallas, LA (places where could find well paid jobs if needed to move).

Also American colleague who moved back after 10 years here, pays more to rent in Dallas then used to pay for a 4BR condo in orchard area. Buying with property taxes would be even more expensive. Of course that comes with the good and bad school districts issue in US. So for more remote retirement destination I'm sure things would be different but that's a bit like moving to Malaysia in local context.

Yes to be fair we plan to move back to rural NC where we have a house near Waxhaw.