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REP Not Renewed PR Status?

Post by coolguy12619 » Fri, 17 Jul 2020 5:22 pm

Hi,
I have a query w.r.t to my status, I was a PR for around 6 years and my REP was renewed till 2018. I moved to the US in 2016 on company work (still in US) and as I expected my REP renewal post-2018 was rejected.
My question is geared more towards my status.

Now, I have not touched the CPF money and was able to access my CPF account even with expired REP.
If I have CPF account does it mean that I am still a PR.
Also does it mean that I still hold a valid PR and it is just the REP that is expired?
The reason being that, I am planning to eventually come back to Singapore so I dont want to burn any kind of bridges here, keeping that in mind, should I just leave my CPF as it is or it doesn't even matter?

Thanks a lot.

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Re: REP Not Renewed PR Status?

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 17 Jul 2020 5:25 pm

No and no. CPF you can leave as long as you want unless you can find a better AAA savings facility paying a better rate of interest.

If you are out of Singapore without a valid re-entry permit, you have effectively given up your PR. If, on the other hand, your re-entry permit expired while you are in Singapore, you PR would still remain valid until such time as you left Singapore without the valid re-entry permit (that would mean even a trip to JB or Batam) until such time as you get it renewed. I've gone as long as 15 months without a re-entry permit - but never left the country until I did renew it.

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Re: REP Not Renewed PR Status?

Post by coolguy12619 » Fri, 17 Jul 2020 5:34 pm

Thanks a lot, @sundaymorningstaple for your reply on the topic.
I know it is a long shot, but based on your experience do you know if there is a chance for me to get my PR back if leave the CPF money there ( just to re-affirm my intentions of returning back). Or Letter from my company stating why they had to transfer me to the US branch.
My Nationality is Indian.

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Re: REP Not Renewed PR Status?

Post by singaporeflyer » Fri, 17 Jul 2020 6:00 pm

coolguy12619 wrote:
Fri, 17 Jul 2020 5:34 pm
Thanks a lot, @sundaymorningstaple for your reply on the topic.
I know it is a long shot, but based on your experience do you know if there is a chance for me to get my PR back if leave the CPF money there ( just to re-affirm my intentions of returning back). Or Letter from my company stating why they had to transfer me to the US branch.
My Nationality is Indian.
If leaving CPF back and can get PR back, many will do that. It is not possible. Considering the current economic scenario, this is not even theoretically possible.

Ur REP expired 2 years ago, if you had appealed that time they may have given you a one year REP for you to come to SG and find job and settle in. Now you cant even appeal. So, it is almost gone.

Why will ICA be bothered for your company transferring you overseas and paying you overseas. If you were looking long term at Singapore, you should have denied the transfer and remained in SG and found another job.

Else, if in case your company transferred you out of SG, but if your salary was credited in SG and you pay tax in SG, then if you had appealed at that time via your company, you would have had a chance.

I assume you were granted PR under the PTS Scheme, where we are supposed to contribute back in the economic way to SG. if one is posted overseas and paid overseas, there will be no economic contribution to SG

Please don't take this as negative, but this is the reality.

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Re: REP Not Renewed PR Status?

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 17 Jul 2020 6:14 pm

As SF noted, your company is the one that has set the tone for your problem. Had then not 'transferred' you to their US operation, but seconded you there and continued to pay you via Singapore Payroll along with contributions to CPF, etc. you would have had a fighting chance. But, having left it for well over 12 months it's not going to happen that I can see.

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Post by jamie9vardy » Fri, 17 Jul 2020 7:55 pm

Or second/ transfer you at the ‘right’ time. That means either at the start or latest middle of your 5-year REP. I went for overseas secondment in Year 2 of my REP and came back 18 months before renewal, got 5 years. Another colleague went in Y4 and Y5 and came back 2 months before renewal. He got one year then 5 years subsequently.

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Re: REP Not Renewed PR Status?

Post by mystic_river » Tue, 21 Jul 2020 12:12 am

Sorry for hijacking this thread but I have a question about REP renewal.

My parents (who have been PRs since early 2000s) recently applied for REP renewal. It wasn’t instantaneous but was approved for 5 years after 2 working days last week.

My dad has his own company here in Singapore but has stopped drawing a salary from it as he is now retired. Mum is and has always been a housewife.

They bought a house back home (in Pakistan) and since the start of 2017 they have been shuttling back and forth (they also have a house here in SG) though they spend the bulk of their time in Pakistan.

Frankly a bit surprised their PR got renewed as we thought for sure it’ll be rejected given that they don’t spend time in Singapore permanently. Any idea why/how it was renewed?

PS. Me and my sis (both PRs too) work and reside in SG though I believe that has no bearing on our parents’ PR

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Re: REP Not Renewed PR Status?

Post by singaporeflyer » Tue, 21 Jul 2020 12:15 am

mystic_river wrote:
Tue, 21 Jul 2020 12:12 am
Sorry for hijacking this thread but I have a question about REP renewal.

My parents (who have been PRs since early 2000s) recently applied for REP renewal. It wasn’t instantaneous but was approved for 5 years after 2 working days last week.

My dad has his own company here in Singapore but has stopped drawing a salary from it as he is now retired. Mum is and has always been a housewife.

They bought a house back home (in Pakistan) and since the start of 2017 they have been shuttling back and forth (they also have a house here in SG) though they spend the bulk of their time in Pakistan.

Frankly a bit surprised their PR got renewed as we thought for sure it’ll be rejected given that they don’t spend time in Singapore permanently. Any idea why/how it was renewed?

PS. Me and my sis (both PRs too) work and reside in SG though I believe that has no bearing on our parents’ PR
May be because they got the PR via the PTS Scheme and since retired, their REP was not impacted. How old is your dad?

Does he pay any income tax in Singapore or No? Is his company employing locals ?

These might be some of the reason.

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Re: REP Not Renewed PR Status?

Post by mystic_river » Tue, 21 Jul 2020 12:25 am

He’s 67. He’s self employed and has never employed anyone in his company. The company currently exists but as he is not drawing a salary anymore he has stopped paying income tax since 2 years ago (when he actually retired).

Will there be any issues in 2025 for REP renewal if he continues to spend the bulk of the time out of Singapore?

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Re: REP Not Renewed PR Status?

Post by PNGMK » Tue, 21 Jul 2020 7:50 am

mystic_river wrote:
Tue, 21 Jul 2020 12:25 am
He’s 67. He’s self employed and has never employed anyone in his company. The company currently exists but as he is not drawing a salary anymore he has stopped paying income tax since 2 years ago (when he actually retired).

Will there be any issues in 2025 for REP renewal if he continues to spend the bulk of the time out of Singapore?
IF he's retired I don't think there will be an issues as others have said. Where PTS people run into trouble is when they appear to be working overseas with no real apparent connection back to Singapore. That's not the case in your father's situation.
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