PR Rejected

[audreysm]

It's been about 6 years since I last posted on here (though this is a new account).

I was hopelessly optimistic this time, and then COVID-19 happened. I appreciate all the information I read on here so I'm paying it forward by sharing my profile:

Nationality: British
Ethnicity: Eurasian (this is what I put on my application... I'm mixed Chinese/English)
Age: 32
Profession: Marketing Consultant. 3rd year of running my business (Pte Ltd) here, $80-120k per annum salary
Qualification: Unrelated 2nd class Bachelors Degree (red flag number one I guess)
Visa: EP
Family: Unmarried, no kids (red flag number two?)
Length of stay: Since Aug 2011

This is my 4th rejection. Applied Sept-19, rejected Jun-20.

[singaporeflyer]

It's been about 6 years since I last posted on here (though this is a new account).

I was hopelessly optimistic this time, and then COVID-19 happened. I appreciate all the information I read on here so I'm paying it forward by sharing my profile:

Nationality: British
Ethnicity: Eurasian (this is what I put on my application... I'm mixed Chinese/English)
Age: 32
Profession: Marketing Consultant. 3rd year of running my business (Pte Ltd) here, $80-120k per annum salary
Qualification: Unrelated 2nd class Bachelors Degree (red flag number one I guess)
Visa: EP
Family: Unmarried, no kids (red flag number two?)
Length of stay: Since Aug 2011

This is my 4th rejection. Applied Sept-19, rejected Jun-20.

Chance is going to be less. There are lot of local residents in the Marketing workspace. Also if you had 4 rejections already, going forward the chance is going to reduce further.

[PNGMK]

Stuff up #1. You're not Eurasian. "Eurasian" in the Singapore sense is a person of descent of the original mixed race inhabitants of Singapore and Malaysia (i.e. Portugese and Malay and Chinese - usually with surname like DeCruz although I have met some with British surnames). You're not "Singapore Eurasian". IF you have a chinese surname put your race a Chinese. Even if you don't I would consider putting your race as Chinese if you can pass the pub test. While it may seem like an honest mistake it meant you got put in the "others" bucket which gets about 500 approvals a year based on reverse engineering the statistical reports the Gahmen publishes. You want to be in the big bucket that has ~25,000 to ~50,000 approvals a year (guess the race?).

Stuff up #2. You need to grow the business beyond being just you. It needs to bring value to Singapore and not appear to be transportable.

Potential Stuff up #3. Are you gay? Or are you having trouble getting married? Either way there's no way this gahmen is likely to give PR to a woman past the age of child bearing. The entire reason the gahmen gives PR these days is to build a population base that will keep it in power. Single childless women (and men) don't do that. The gahmen (based on some guess work) considers women having children > 35 to be high risk of being infertile or having children that are mongloid (can't remember the PC term - sorry).

[juggernaut]

@PNGMK - "Potential Stuff up #3. Are you gay? Or are you having trouble getting married?"

This kind of remark is it even needed here ?Firstly its the OP's personal decision. Whatever you wrote after this makes sense but this kind of snide / caustic remark is frankly unwarranted here.
Not the first time you've done this which is why i wanted to reply to your above comment !

[jwoods1864]

I also thought it was a somewhat unnecessary way to make a point.


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[PNGMK]

@PNGMK - "Potential Stuff up #3. Are you gay? Or are you having trouble getting married?"

This kind of remark is it even needed here ?Firstly its the OP's personal decision. Whatever you wrote after this makes sense but this kind of snide / caustic remark is frankly unwarranted here.
Not the first time you've done this which is why i wanted to reply to your above comment !

You live in Singapore. The discrimination is not mine but the governments. I have no issue with OP being a gay spinster but the damn govt sure does. IF she wants to have the best chance of PR then she best understand the criteria this racist, bigoted gahmen applies. If we were all PC then OP may not understand the reality she is in and spend the rest of her life wasting it chasing a dream she cannot attain.

[juggernaut]

Thanks @PNGMK : not going to argue with you here on this . Funny that none of the moderators think that this is unacceptable ...

[sundaymorningstaple]

There are only two active moderators on here, both of us are married to locals of different races. I'm married to a minority here. I've been dealing with the racism here for the 37 years I've been married. There are several other longtime regulars here also married to locals. I'm afraid if you ask any of us we can verify the government's patriarchal and bigoted racist methodology. They are also, courtesy of LKY, strongly into Social Engineering. Do so a Wiki search on Singapore 'Stop at Two' policy, The 'O level parents program', The 'graduate mothers scheme'. If you are going to come to Singpaore, do some historical research from 1965 to say 1990. Don't come here clueless about Singapore or it's history since nationhood other than knowing it has a modern architecture and is in the tropics. Do some reading on our archives on the HDB's racist policies for starters. PNG's remarks are strongly worded but I've actually known PNGMK longer than this board has been in existence. We are both from the oilfield so tend to call a spade a spade and all the long-time regulars here can and will vouch for that.

Since when is the point blank truth not acceptable? All of us would be in a different situation had China been point blank truthful wouldn't we. I'm an old farmer and I've "never" been known for being PC. It's highly overrated. I've tempered a little bit after 38 years here. But I'm still point blank and I reckon the unvarnished truth is always better than letting people from international sources misconstrue what we are trying to get across.

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[juggernaut]

well said Sir. But i strongly disagree with your reply. Please do not bring in LKY into this ! I'm aware of what the history is and having said that , this country wouldn't be what it is today without Mr.LKY and his team's untiring efforts. Yes you've been at the receiving end of racism and its the same with a majority of people but lets not generalise it and start spewing hate in the name of being a straight shooter.

[sundaymorningstaple]

Show me where I'm spewing hate. If what I say is not true, then and only then can you say that. Otherwise I'm just giving a reminder of history here. I'm a PR here and have been been for over a quarter of a century. Both of my kids are Singapore Citizens and I'm awaiting my 3rd Grandchild. As I am still a PR there isn't really any ball and chain holding me here except my family. My children both made their choices and I have no issues with them giving up their US citizenships. They have to live their own lives, I cannot live it for them nor will I try to. Both are now in their 30's and married. I'm retired and am still here. Add to that, I've been a Resident's Committee member for over a dozen years and still am. I'm not spewing hate, it's just the facts. So, frankly speaking, I could not really care less if you disagree, that's your prerogative.

[TropicalExpat]

While you might disagree with what SMS has said, it seems quite true. Everything I have heard anecdotally supports his comments.

Back to the OP. The government ultimately cares about your contribution to society. If you aren't interested in integrating, just earning some money, they aren't interested in you. Thinking about it from their perspective helps.
They want more Singaporeans to be employed in higher value added jobs and particularly in technology/science fields. If you're running your own company, look at increasing your local (citizen/PR) hires.

[PNGMK]

Because I've had some IM's on the topic of "mongloid" (which I couldn't remember the term for - it's Downs Syndrome I was thinking of) let me enlighten our woke readers.

This gahmen will force you via a number of legal and paralegal threats - if pregnant and over 35 (and a citizen) - to have a TTT test to determine if you're carrying a high risk fetus. Now they cannot force you to have an abortion but they will damn sure not do anything for you if you deliver a Downs child. This gahmen is ruthless at reducing burden on the state. I discovered this when my ex was trying to conceive at 35. As soon as she was pregnant we flew to Oz to avoid the TTT and she gave birth there and praise God our child was not a mongloid (although he's a moron sometimes).

Once again - don't shoot the messenger. Oh and I love the few downs people I know. They are a positive group of people in a negative world.

[sundaymorningstaple]

PNGMK, I know the stress. My wife was 38 when she gave birth to our 1st one a (her first pregnancy) high risk and 2nd one at 43. We had, arguably, the best Obgyn in Singapore at that time (Dr/Prof S S Ratnam) My daughter today is the HR Manager-Asia-Pac for an International Drilling company. My son owns his own business and is also a pretty well know Indie Rock musician here. Although I must say, my son had a period of time that had us pretty worried, but like most of us, he managed to get through it and out the other side intact.

[PNGMK]

OP messaged me back with some pertinent questions and I think will get her act together. Sad to say she is not a gay Eurasian spinster....

On the topic of Eurasians.... I'd suggest you all try a meal at Quentin's at the Eurasian Community House on 139 Ceylon Rd. The food is to die for. Also the Community House has a small display about Eurasians in Singapore. The late President Nathan used to live across the road and ate religiously there.

I should clarify something that came up about race oddly enough when I was having a meal with Allan DeCruz at Quentin's.... the gahmen usually follow the race of the father he states - which makes sense as my half Javanese / half Caucasian son is listed here as Caucasian (as I the father am). Not sure how that helps or hinders OPs case but I do think she should argue she is Chinese.

[Number13000]

Jumping on this via the topic of Eurasians. I have a PR application currently outstanding (posted in other thread for advice) and I for all intents and purposes identify as a Eurasian.

Mod mentioned this might be a stuff-up if I was not bona-fide Eurasian which leads me to ponder on ICA/G's view on Eurasian and where they fit in terms of PR application.

I have an Anglo-Saxon last name through my New-Zealand (mixed-race) father of Maori/Caucasian heritage and a Eurasian lineage through my Anglo-Indian-Portuguese mother, who grew up in Malaysia and Singapore while retaining British nationality. When I acquired my student pass and subsequent E-pass, I was both-times allowed to choose my race and chucked Eurasian as the easiest modifier. My total mix broken down (not that ICA will ever know) is 35/65 Non-White/White.

If they need documents as proof of Eurasian heritage, I can also supply as my maternal grandparents are indeed from India.

I doubt they will dig that rabbit hole, but I am not at all a Chinese or Malay creole from Malacca. There are of course, many Anglo-Indians in our peninsular history. I do not know yet if I should consider the ICA as a race scholar when interrogating my Eurasian heritage in my application...