Singapore Expats Forum
 

PR approval chance in 2020

Relocating, travelling or planning to make Singapore home? Discuss the criterias, passes or visa that is required.
User avatar
PNGMK
Governor
Governor
Posts: 7564
Joined: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 9:06 pm
Location: Sinkapore

Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by PNGMK » Thu, 05 Nov 2020 7:27 pm

daria1 wrote:
Thu, 05 Nov 2020 10:41 am
Ethnicity quota, anyone have any insight in this:
- calendar year?
- spread over the year?
- first approved/first served, not first applied/first served?
Read the govt annual report on population to understand the race (not ethnic) quota. It's linked in this forum somewhere.

Secondly we think the approval system uses a gateway and sliding window throughout the year - it doesn't matter when you apply throughout the year - what matters is the macro view - i.e. are the General Election results driving PR approvals up or down (down at present) and are there race issues at play (yes - Indian and Other bucket is smaller).

Gateway is triggered for a set number of race based buckets at a set interval so your application goes into a race based pile which is refreshed at some interval (I don't think it's yearly but maybe quarterly and depends on the pop'n target which is reviewed regularly against birth and death numbers....) the approval window starts sliding... it's clear some ranking goes on within the race buckets and candidates are given high, medium or fail grades. The medium grades get pushed to the bottom of the pile and if the high-pot candidates dry up then they start digging into the medium graded applicants. I suspect the approval matrix and grading has a very fine granularity to it and some background checking built in (which can add delays for even high pot candidates) and possibly reports needed from the SIS etc.

In short I don't think it matters when you apply (in the year) but if you are a strong candidate and the wind is blowing in your favour from a macro point of view.

If you disagree with me consider the case of two singles, one a breeding age chinese malaysian woman of average education who applies in Sept and the older Indian of any gender with masters in say engineering who applies in Jan. The woman will get in almost straight away within the same year baring any negative issues in her background but the Indian fellow may never get in and if he does it could be up to 2 years.

The sorting in the pile is definitely not in order of application (within the window period) but by grading of suitability.
I not lawyer/teacher/CPA.
You've been arrested? Law Society of Singapore can provide referrals.
You want an International School job? School website or http://www.ISS.edu
Your rugrat needs a School? Avoid for profit schools
You need Tax advice? Ask a CPA
You ran away without doing NS? Shame on you!

sgppr
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 3
Joined: Sun, 06 Sep 2020 7:50 pm

Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by sgppr » Thu, 05 Nov 2020 10:03 pm

singaporeflyer wrote:
Thu, 05 Nov 2020 7:11 pm
sgppr wrote:
Thu, 05 Nov 2020 6:53 pm
Quick question: For past employer testimonial, do we need to give testimonial of past employers in Singapore or for our entire work experience. I have worked with numerous employers spread across three countries, do i need to go to each of them? Please help.
From All past employers. Even if you dont have it is ok. just declare honestly
Thank you. Does testimonial has a format? Or will a 'to whom it may concern' letter work with designation and period of employment? Thanks for your suggestions.

User avatar
jamie9vardy
Chatter
Chatter
Posts: 451
Joined: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 11:12 pm

Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by jamie9vardy » Thu, 05 Nov 2020 10:38 pm

sgppr wrote:
singaporeflyer wrote:
Thu, 05 Nov 2020 7:11 pm
sgppr wrote:
Thu, 05 Nov 2020 6:53 pm
Quick question: For past employer testimonial, do we need to give testimonial of past employers in Singapore or for our entire work experience. I have worked with numerous employers spread across three countries, do i need to go to each of them? Please help.
From All past employers. Even if you dont have it is ok. just declare honestly
Thank you. Does testimonial has a format? Or will a 'to whom it may concern' letter work with designation and period of employment? Thanks for your suggestions.
Exactly per what you have said. Some may include last drawn salary.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Amy934
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 5
Joined: Thu, 05 Nov 2020 11:13 pm

Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by Amy934 » Thu, 05 Nov 2020 11:23 pm

May I ask our chance of approval?

Myself (main applicant) - Female
Age: 30
Nationality: Canada
Race: Chinese
SG work experience: 1+ year in tech
Basic salary: 10k monthly
Highest degree: Master
Currently on EP

My spouse
Age: 34
Nationality: Canada
Race: Chinese
SG work experience: 6 months
Before starting his current job, he was doing MBA in SG
Highest degree: PhD
Basic salary: 12k monthly
Currently on EP

Dependent - Son
Age: 2
Citizenship: Canadian
Race: Chinese
Currently DP under my EP
In pre-school

Thanks for any insights!!

TropicalExpat
Chatter
Chatter
Posts: 323
Joined: Thu, 28 May 2020 5:02 pm

Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by TropicalExpat » Fri, 06 Nov 2020 7:37 am

Amy934 wrote:
Thu, 05 Nov 2020 11:23 pm
May I ask our chance of approval?

Myself (main applicant) - Female
Age: 30
Nationality: Canada
Race: Chinese
SG work experience: 1+ year in tech
Basic salary: 10k monthly
Highest degree: Master
Currently on EP

My spouse
Age: 34
Nationality: Canada
Race: Chinese
SG work experience: 6 months
Before starting his current job, he was doing MBA in SG
Highest degree: PhD
Basic salary: 12k monthly
Currently on EP

Dependent - Son
Age: 2
Citizenship: Canadian
Race: Chinese
Currently DP under my EP
In pre-school

Thanks for any insights!!
At the moment your chances are quite low due to length of time in Singapore. I would wait until you submit at least 2 tax returns before applying.

However, there is nothing to stop you from applying now, just don't be disappointed if you get rejected. The $120 application fee is not too much for your salaries, so what's the harm?

Finally, remember to add your son to the PR application. It can almost be guaranteed your application will be rejected if you do not include him

Amy934
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 5
Joined: Thu, 05 Nov 2020 11:13 pm

Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by Amy934 » Fri, 06 Nov 2020 9:39 am

TropicalExpat wrote:
Fri, 06 Nov 2020 7:37 am
Amy934 wrote:
Thu, 05 Nov 2020 11:23 pm
May I ask our chance of approval?

Myself (main applicant) - Female
Age: 30
Nationality: Canada
Race: Chinese
SG work experience: 1+ year in tech
Basic salary: 10k monthly
Highest degree: Master
Currently on EP

My spouse
Age: 34
Nationality: Canada
Race: Chinese
SG work experience: 6 months
Before starting his current job, he was doing MBA in SG
Highest degree: PhD
Basic salary: 12k monthly
Currently on EP

Dependent - Son
Age: 2
Citizenship: Canadian
Race: Chinese
Currently DP under my EP
In pre-school

Thanks for any insights!!
At the moment your chances are quite low due to length of time in Singapore. I would wait until you submit at least 2 tax returns before applying.

However, there is nothing to stop you from applying now, just don't be disappointed if you get rejected. The $120 application fee is not too much for your salaries, so what's the harm?

Finally, remember to add your son to the PR application. It can almost be guaranteed your application will be rejected if you do not include him
Thank you! I apply with both my spouse and son included in my application.

User avatar
sundaymorningstaple
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 37457
Joined: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 1:26 pm
Answers: 1
Location: Retired on the Little Red Dot

Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 06 Nov 2020 11:51 am

Amy934 wrote:
Thu, 05 Nov 2020 11:23 pm
May I ask our chance of approval?

Myself (main applicant) - Female
Age: 30
Nationality: Canada
Race: Chinese

My spouse
Age: 34
Nationality: Canada
Race: Chinese

Thanks for any insights!!
Are you and your spouse CBCs? Or, are you Naturalized citizens? If not CBCs (Canadian Born Chinese). I think your odds are less than if you all are CBCs. That being said, I reckon your odds are reasonably good with the exception of not having worked here long enough.

Amy934
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 5
Joined: Thu, 05 Nov 2020 11:13 pm

Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by Amy934 » Fri, 06 Nov 2020 12:37 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Fri, 06 Nov 2020 11:51 am
Amy934 wrote:
Thu, 05 Nov 2020 11:23 pm
May I ask our chance of approval?

Myself (main applicant) - Female
Age: 30
Nationality: Canada
Race: Chinese

My spouse
Age: 34
Nationality: Canada
Race: Chinese

Thanks for any insights!!
Are you and your spouse CBCs? Or, are you Naturalized citizens? If not CBCs (Canadian Born Chinese). I think your odds are less than if you all are CBCs. That being said, I reckon your odds are reasonably good with the exception of not having worked here long enough.
My spouse and I are both naturalize citizens. Originally we were from China. My son was born in Canada.

Thanks for the insights!

the observer
Chatter
Chatter
Posts: 150
Joined: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 11:57 am

Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by the observer » Fri, 06 Nov 2020 1:06 pm

Amy934 wrote:
Fri, 06 Nov 2020 12:37 pm
sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Fri, 06 Nov 2020 11:51 am
Amy934 wrote:
Thu, 05 Nov 2020 11:23 pm
May I ask our chance of approval?

Myself (main applicant) - Female
Age: 30
Nationality: Canada
Race: Chinese

My spouse
Age: 34
Nationality: Canada
Race: Chinese

Thanks for any insights!!
Are you and your spouse CBCs? Or, are you Naturalized citizens? If not CBCs (Canadian Born Chinese). I think your odds are less than if you all are CBCs. That being said, I reckon your odds are reasonably good with the exception of not having worked here long enough.
My spouse and I are both naturalize citizens. Originally we were from China. My son was born in Canada.

Thanks for the insights!
The others may think differently, but I'd think its not going to be easy.
Especially after being naturalized in Canada.

Amy934
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 5
Joined: Thu, 05 Nov 2020 11:13 pm

Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by Amy934 » Fri, 06 Nov 2020 4:54 pm

the observer wrote:
Fri, 06 Nov 2020 1:06 pm
Amy934 wrote:
Fri, 06 Nov 2020 12:37 pm
sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Fri, 06 Nov 2020 11:51 am


Are you and your spouse CBCs? Or, are you Naturalized citizens? If not CBCs (Canadian Born Chinese). I think your odds are less than if you all are CBCs. That being said, I reckon your odds are reasonably good with the exception of not having worked here long enough.
My spouse and I are both naturalize citizens. Originally we were from China. My son was born in Canada.

Thanks for the insights!
The others may think differently, but I'd think its not going to be easy.
Especially after being naturalized in Canada.
Ummm a very interesting point. Let’s see how it goes. Fingers crossed

the observer
Chatter
Chatter
Posts: 150
Joined: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 11:57 am

Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by the observer » Fri, 06 Nov 2020 5:19 pm

Amy934 wrote:
Fri, 06 Nov 2020 4:54 pm
the observer wrote:
Fri, 06 Nov 2020 1:06 pm
Amy934 wrote:
Fri, 06 Nov 2020 12:37 pm


My spouse and I are both naturalize citizens. Originally we were from China. My son was born in Canada.

Thanks for the insights!
The others may think differently, but I'd think its not going to be easy.
Especially after being naturalized in Canada.
Ummm a very interesting point. Let’s see how it goes. Fingers crossed
Time and again, they kept harping on integration, contribution, and commitment.
Being naturalized abroad, they'd question your commitment.

Thats just my take. I could be wrong. Do provide an update here when the outcome is reached. Good luck.

"Ms Indranee said citizenship and PR status are offered selectively to applicants who are committed to making Singapore their home, and who can integrate and contribute to Singapore."

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ ... years-says

User avatar
sundaymorningstaple
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 37457
Joined: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 1:26 pm
Answers: 1
Location: Retired on the Little Red Dot

Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 06 Nov 2020 8:05 pm

I agree with the observer. It's what I was saying, but I catch so much flack for being brutally honest, I thought I'd try to tone it down and let somebody else carry the ball. the observer caught the handoff perfectly. ;-) :cool:

Nordium
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 2
Joined: Fri, 06 Nov 2020 10:24 pm

Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by Nordium » Fri, 06 Nov 2020 10:41 pm

Hello! Finding the expert responses very insightful and would like to get feedback on my chances for PR. Profile details as follows:

Main Applicant
Age : 43
Race : Indian
Gender : Male
Marital Status : Married
Education : Masters degree / MBA from a reputed Indian University and a degree from Harvard Business School
Job : General Manager
Work experience: 18 years (last 10 years out of India)
Length of stay in SG: 4 years
Salary : 400K Basic
Pass : PEP
Applying for the 1st time

Co-applicant
Age : 41
Race : Indian
Gender : Female
Marital Status : Married
Education : Masters degree/MBA from a reputed Italian University
Job : Marketing Head for Asia
Work experience: 16 years
Length of stay in SG: 4 years
Salary :250K Basic
Pass : PEP
Applying for the first time.

No kids.

Thanks for your assessment and feedback!

Amy934
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 5
Joined: Thu, 05 Nov 2020 11:13 pm

Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by Amy934 » Fri, 06 Nov 2020 10:47 pm

the observer wrote:
Fri, 06 Nov 2020 5:19 pm
Amy934 wrote:
Fri, 06 Nov 2020 4:54 pm
the observer wrote:
Fri, 06 Nov 2020 1:06 pm


The others may think differently, but I'd think its not going to be easy.
Especially after being naturalized in Canada.
Ummm a very interesting point. Let’s see how it goes. Fingers crossed
Time and again, they kept harping on integration, contribution, and commitment.
Being naturalized abroad, they'd question your commitment.

Thats just my take. I could be wrong. Do provide an update here when the outcome is reached. Good luck.

"Ms Indranee said citizenship and PR status are offered selectively to applicants who are committed to making Singapore their home, and who can integrate and contribute to Singapore."

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ ... years-says
Thanks for your insights! Appreciate it. Will update once there is an outcome.

User avatar
sundaymorningstaple
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 37457
Joined: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 1:26 pm
Answers: 1
Location: Retired on the Little Red Dot

Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 06 Nov 2020 11:35 pm

Nordium wrote:
Fri, 06 Nov 2020 10:41 pm
Hello! Finding the expert responses very insightful and would like to get feedback on my chances for PR. Profile details as follows:

Main Applicant
Age : 43
Race : Indian
Gender : Male
Marital Status : Married
Education : Masters degree / MBA from a reputed Indian University and a degree from Harvard Business School
Job : General Manager
Work experience: 18 years (last 10 years out of India)
Length of stay in SG: 4 years
Salary : 400K Basic
Pass : PEP
Applying for the 1st time

Co-applicant
Age : 41
Race : Indian
Gender : Female
Marital Status : Married
Education : Masters degree/MBA from a reputed Italian University
Job : Marketing Head for Asia
Work experience: 16 years
Length of stay in SG: 4 years
Salary :250K Basic
Pass : PEP
Applying for the first time.

No kids.

Thanks for your assessment and feedback!
Take my reply below with a grain of salt until other respond as well.

In my estimation, I think you will be unsuccessful on your first application, truth be known. Your Income and your family's combined income is rather high and I am guessing (you didn't mention the industry you are in) it's an MNC and either in IT or Finance or both and possibly your wife as well with the salaries you both are commanding. This would put you at a flight risk in ICAs eyes, especially as you are childless as well, so nothing like schooling to anchor you here due to children. This means you are easily to parachute into most any country at will by either your employer or an competitor. There is nothing here to anchor you to the island and you have only been here 4 years. I don't know how much time you have left on your PEP but I'm guessing probably somewhere between 1 & 2 years left. However, it doesn't cost that much to apply so nothing ventured, nothing gained, but be prepared for the worst.

Post Reply
  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Return to “PR, Citizenship, Passes & Visas for Foreigners”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests