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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by TropicalExpat » Tue, 08 Sep 2020 9:17 am

humanity wrote:
Mon, 07 Sep 2020 5:48 pm
humanity wrote:
Tue, 07 Jul 2020 10:40 am
singaporeflyer wrote:
Tue, 07 Jul 2020 12:21 am


When was last rejection? Wait till year end and see if you can slightly improve your salary and then apply again? Also what is your basic salary? That is what counts as assured salary. Variable/Bonus etc MAY not be taken into consideration as they may or may not come/be given. That is why ICA will clearly ask for the BASIC salary.
Thanks SF for your feedback. Last rejection was received 1 year ago after 6 months waiting period. Agreed with your point on assured salary. My basic annual pay is 110K.
Hi,

Can I please get your valuable advice from other experts as well whether I can apply PR for my spouse and daughter with the above profile this month. Thanks in advance.

Hi SF,

Do you still suggest me to wait till this year-end. Thanks.
Being blunt, if you had applied for PR now, you probably wouldn't have got it, given your profile (low basic salary and ethnicity). This may be what weighs on your current application.

I would wait until late 2021 or even early 2022 for reapplying.
Your basic salary is quite low, which stands against you. Your wife doesn't work and you have a daughter. So the balance of what you put into Singapore and what you and your family potentially take out, is in your favour, not in the country's.
You should get your wife to work so that as a family unit your family pay is higher.
Also, your child would be eligible for primary school in a couple of years. I have a sneaky suspicion the gahmen is trying to slow the numbers of PRs with kids who could get into local primary schools (given complaints about PRs in local schools).

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by humanity » Tue, 08 Sep 2020 10:27 am

TropicalExpat wrote:
Tue, 08 Sep 2020 9:17 am
humanity wrote:
Mon, 07 Sep 2020 5:48 pm
humanity wrote:
Tue, 07 Jul 2020 10:40 am


Thanks SF for your feedback. Last rejection was received 1 year ago after 6 months waiting period. Agreed with your point on assured salary. My basic annual pay is 110K.
Hi,

Can I please get your valuable advice from other experts as well whether I can apply PR for my spouse and daughter with the above profile this month. Thanks in advance.

Hi SF,

Do you still suggest me to wait till this year-end. Thanks.
Being blunt, if you had applied for PR now, you probably wouldn't have got it, given your profile (low basic salary and ethnicity). This may be what weighs on your current application.

I would wait until late 2021 or even early 2022 for reapplying.
Your basic salary is quite low, which stands against you. Your wife doesn't work and you have a daughter. So the balance of what you put into Singapore and what you and your family potentially take out, is in your favour, not in the country's.
You should get your wife to work so that as a family unit your family pay is higher.
Also, your child would be eligible for primary school in a couple of years. I have a sneaky suspicion the gahmen is trying to slow the numbers of PRs with kids who could get into local primary schools (given complaints about PRs in local schools).

Thanks a lot TE for your suggestion. I would work on the suggested parts in balancing our contribution as a family than we taking out more.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by ZZZZr » Tue, 08 Sep 2020 4:48 pm

Hi Friends,

I have applied PR alone via e-PR on ICA website in September 2020.
considering the virus situation, what is the processing time for the PR application and what are the chances of getting PR ?
This is my first attempt.
Please help to provide your valuable inputs based on your experience in this forum.

Age: 27
Race: Chinese
Nationality: Chinese
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Education: Masters from Hong Kong & Bachelor from China (exchanged in NTU for one semester)
Job: Analyst in a commodities research unit
This industry has been hiring a high proportion of staff from overseas from 2013 to develop the local sector.
Length of stay in Singapore: 2.5 years (worked in the same company till now)
Income Tax Assessment: 2 Submitted
Total Job Experience: 5 Years
Base Salary: 70k+
Pass: EP


Your inputs on my post are highly appreciated. Thanks a lot for your help.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Tue, 08 Sep 2020 4:59 pm

ZZZZr wrote:
Tue, 08 Sep 2020 4:48 pm
Hi Friends,

I have applied PR alone via e-PR on ICA website in September 2020.
considering the virus situation, what is the processing time for the PR application and what are the chances of getting PR ?
This is my first attempt.
Please help to provide your valuable inputs based on your experience in this forum.

Age: 27
Race: Chinese
Nationality: Chinese
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Education: Masters from Hong Kong & Bachelor from China (exchanged in NTU for one semester)
Job: Analyst in a commodities research unit
This industry has been hiring a high proportion of staff from overseas from 2013 to develop the local sector.
Length of stay in Singapore: 2.5 years (worked in the same company till now)
Income Tax Assessment: 2 Submitted
Total Job Experience: 5 Years
Base Salary: 70k+
Pass: EP


Your inputs on my post are highly appreciated. Thanks a lot for your help.
Processing may take 6 months to 1 year.
Chance will be slightly low because of your short stay in SG

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by ZZZZr » Tue, 08 Sep 2020 5:11 pm

singaporeflyer wrote:
Tue, 08 Sep 2020 4:59 pm


Processing may take 6 months to 1 year.
Chance will be slightly low because of your short stay in SG
Thanks a lot! A long time to wait....:( And it will be my 4th year here if the pending time is 1 year :p

Is the only thing I can do is improving my salaries? What other criteria that may help with PR application?

Many thanks :D

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Tue, 08 Sep 2020 5:42 pm

ZZZZr wrote:
Tue, 08 Sep 2020 5:11 pm
singaporeflyer wrote:
Tue, 08 Sep 2020 4:59 pm


Processing may take 6 months to 1 year.
Chance will be slightly low because of your short stay in SG
Thanks a lot! A long time to wait....:( And it will be my 4th year here if the pending time is 1 year :p

Is the only thing I can do is improving my salaries? What other criteria that may help with PR application?

Many thanks :D
Apart from Career path there are not many things that you could change. There may be other suggestions like getting married, etc which I would not recommend just for getting PR

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by kjc123 » Thu, 10 Sep 2020 7:14 pm

Good evening, have been scrolling through all the posts so thought I would ask about our chances of becoming PR even though it seems our ethnicity/nationalities are against us and that we have 2 daughters.


Main applicant:
Gender - Male
Age - 35 years
Nationality: Caucasian English
Work: Director in a broking firm
Education: Business Degree
Duration in Singapore: 9 years
Total salary: 300k + bonus

Spouse
Age - 36 years
Nationality - Caucasian American
Education - Bachelor or Science and Doctorate
Work - Worked in health care the first 5 years in Singapore and now housewife who regularly volunteers with various women's and children's shelters (with Covid since she cannot physically be there she is part of a group that donates for groceries and meals)
Duration in Singapore: 10 years (we met and married here)

Child 1
Age - 2
Gender - Female
Nationality - American and British
Education - Playgroup at a more local style nursery

Child 2
Age - 5 months
Nationality - American and British
Gender - Female

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by TropicalExpat » Thu, 10 Sep 2020 7:32 pm

kjc123 wrote:
Thu, 10 Sep 2020 7:14 pm
Good evening, have been scrolling through all the posts so thought I would ask about our chances of becoming PR even though it seems our ethnicity/nationalities are against us and that we have 2 daughters.


Main applicant:
Gender - Male
Age - 35 years
Nationality: Caucasian English
Work: Director in a broking firm
Education: Business Degree
Duration in Singapore: 9 years
Total salary: 300k + bonus

Spouse
Age - 36 years
Nationality - Caucasian American
Education - Bachelor or Science and Doctorate
Work - Worked in health care the first 5 years in Singapore and now housewife who regularly volunteers with various women's and children's shelters (with Covid since she cannot physically be there she is part of a group that donates for groceries and meals)
Duration in Singapore: 10 years (we met and married here)

Child 1
Age - 2
Gender - Female
Nationality - American and British
Education - Playgroup at a more local style nursery

Child 2
Age - 5 months
Nationality - American and British
Gender - Female
I think you might stand a reasonable chance given your length of stay in Singapore. Yes your ethnicity is not a positive, but then I suspect there will be a number of expats leaving in the coming year as jobs are switched out to locals.
You salary is in the decent range but maybe not be high enough given the people you will be directly competing with.

As we've mentioned elsewhere, volunteering no longer seems to hold a lot of weight with the authorities.

Just go ahead and apply. The $100 fee is not a lot for your salary and if you get it, that's wonderful news for you guys.

Just something slightly separate. If you were at some point to have a son, I'm not sure how that would work in terms of REP renewal. Whether the authorities would reject your REP renewal if you don't get your son PR and hence lose your PR.
I'm not sure if @SMS has a view on whether son's get automatic PR or if you can choose for them to be LTVP.
My assumption here is that if you choose to have your son get LTVP vs PR, then they would likely not be able to get a job here/stay here when they become adults.
Purely hypothetical I grant you

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Thu, 10 Sep 2020 7:54 pm

TropicalExpat wrote:
Thu, 10 Sep 2020 7:32 pm
kjc123 wrote:
Thu, 10 Sep 2020 7:14 pm
Good evening, have been scrolling through all the posts so thought I would ask about our chances of becoming PR even though it seems our ethnicity/nationalities are against us and that we have 2 daughters.


Main applicant:
Gender - Male
Age - 35 years
Nationality: Caucasian English
Work: Director in a broking firm
Education: Business Degree
Duration in Singapore: 9 years
Total salary: 300k + bonus

Spouse
Age - 36 years
Nationality - Caucasian American
Education - Bachelor or Science and Doctorate
Work - Worked in health care the first 5 years in Singapore and now housewife who regularly volunteers with various women's and children's shelters (with Covid since she cannot physically be there she is part of a group that donates for groceries and meals)
Duration in Singapore: 10 years (we met and married here)

Child 1
Age - 2
Gender - Female
Nationality - American and British
Education - Playgroup at a more local style nursery

Child 2
Age - 5 months
Nationality - American and British
Gender - Female
I think you might stand a reasonable chance given your length of stay in Singapore. Yes your ethnicity is not a positive, but then I suspect there will be a number of expats leaving in the coming year as jobs are switched out to locals.
You salary is in the decent range but maybe not be high enough given the people you will be directly competing with.

As we've mentioned elsewhere, volunteering no longer seems to hold a lot of weight with the authorities.

Just go ahead and apply. The $100 fee is not a lot for your salary and if you get it, that's wonderful news for you guys.

Just something slightly separate. If you were at some point to have a son, I'm not sure how that would work in terms of REP renewal. Whether the authorities would reject your REP renewal if you don't get your son PR and hence lose your PR.
I'm not sure if @SMS has a view on whether son's get automatic PR or if you can choose for them to be LTVP.
My assumption here is that if you choose to have your son get LTVP vs PR, then they would likely not be able to get a job here/stay here when they become adults.
Purely hypothetical I grant you
Not sure how speaking about son is relevant here. He has 2 kids and has asked for their total PR chance. Better not to confuse someone by providing excess information that is totally not related to their application, unless he possibly asked about chances for PR, when he has a son later.

@kjc123, your chances will be low.

Reason
1. Ethnicity
2. High salary and you can relocate any time

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by TropicalExpat » Thu, 10 Sep 2020 7:58 pm

singaporeflyer wrote:
Thu, 10 Sep 2020 7:54 pm
TropicalExpat wrote:
Thu, 10 Sep 2020 7:32 pm
kjc123 wrote:
Thu, 10 Sep 2020 7:14 pm
Good evening, have been scrolling through all the posts so thought I would ask about our chances of becoming PR even though it seems our ethnicity/nationalities are against us and that we have 2 daughters.


Main applicant:
Gender - Male
Age - 35 years
Nationality: Caucasian English
Work: Director in a broking firm
Education: Business Degree
Duration in Singapore: 9 years
Total salary: 300k + bonus

Spouse
Age - 36 years
Nationality - Caucasian American
Education - Bachelor or Science and Doctorate
Work - Worked in health care the first 5 years in Singapore and now housewife who regularly volunteers with various women's and children's shelters (with Covid since she cannot physically be there she is part of a group that donates for groceries and meals)
Duration in Singapore: 10 years (we met and married here)

Child 1
Age - 2
Gender - Female
Nationality - American and British
Education - Playgroup at a more local style nursery

Child 2
Age - 5 months
Nationality - American and British
Gender - Female
I think you might stand a reasonable chance given your length of stay in Singapore. Yes your ethnicity is not a positive, but then I suspect there will be a number of expats leaving in the coming year as jobs are switched out to locals.
You salary is in the decent range but maybe not be high enough given the people you will be directly competing with.

As we've mentioned elsewhere, volunteering no longer seems to hold a lot of weight with the authorities.

Just go ahead and apply. The $100 fee is not a lot for your salary and if you get it, that's wonderful news for you guys.

Just something slightly separate. If you were at some point to have a son, I'm not sure how that would work in terms of REP renewal. Whether the authorities would reject your REP renewal if you don't get your son PR and hence lose your PR.
I'm not sure if @SMS has a view on whether son's get automatic PR or if you can choose for them to be LTVP.
My assumption here is that if you choose to have your son get LTVP vs PR, then they would likely not be able to get a job here/stay here when they become adults.
Purely hypothetical I grant you
Not sure how speaking about son is relevant here. He has 2 kids and has asked for their total PR chance. Better not to confuse someone by providing excess information that is totally not related to their application, unless he possibly asked about chances for PR, when he has a son later.

@kjc123, your chances will be low.

Reason
1. Ethnicity
2. High salary and you can relocate any time
Maybe it's something he's not considered. I don't think I overloaded with information.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by Coral_diamond » Sat, 12 Sep 2020 2:46 am

Hello! Planning to apply next month.

Your thoughts on our chances please, given it is almost year-end and the economic situation.

Sponsor - PR (wife)
Age: 38
Nationality: PH
Race: PH
Educ: Bachelor's Degree (top uni in PH)
Occupation: Application Devt Mgr in local bank for 14 yrs
Work exp: 17yrs
Length of stay in SG: 14 yrs, PR for 10 yrs
Tax Assessment: 14 years
Base Salary: 130k/yr
Yrs married : 10


Applicant - (EP) husband
Age: 38
Nationality: PH
Race: PH
Educ: Bachelor's Degree (PH)
Occupation: Lead Consultant in local IT firm for 7 yrs
Work exp: 17yrs
Length of stay in SG: 14 yrs
Tax Assessment: 14 years
Base Salary: 92k/yr

Child 1 - (DP) female
Born in SG in 2010
Studying in local primary school

Child 2 - (DP) male
Born in SG in 2015

1st application - 2010 when daughter was born
2nd application - 2016 sponsored whole fam
3rd application - 2018 sponsored children only
4th application - 2019 husband on own merit

Thank you for your help.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by the observer » Sat, 12 Sep 2020 9:44 am

Coral_diamond wrote:
Sat, 12 Sep 2020 2:46 am
Hello! Planning to apply next month.

Your thoughts on our chances please, given it is almost year-end and the economic situation.

Sponsor - PR (wife)
Age: 38
Nationality: PH
Race: PH
Educ: Bachelor's Degree (top uni in PH)
Occupation: Application Devt Mgr in local bank for 14 yrs
Work exp: 17yrs
Length of stay in SG: 14 yrs, PR for 10 yrs
Tax Assessment: 14 years
Base Salary: 130k/yr
Yrs married : 10


Applicant - (EP) husband
Age: 38
Nationality: PH
Race: PH
Educ: Bachelor's Degree (PH)
Occupation: Lead Consultant in local IT firm for 7 yrs
Work exp: 17yrs
Length of stay in SG: 14 yrs
Tax Assessment: 14 years
Base Salary: 92k/yr

Child 1 - (DP) female
Born in SG in 2010
Studying in local primary school

Child 2 - (DP) male
Born in SG in 2015

1st application - 2010 when daughter was born
2nd application - 2016 sponsored whole fam
3rd application - 2018 sponsored children only
4th application - 2019 husband on own merit

Thank you for your help.
You will probably know by now, your competition is in the “others” category.

It’s a small quota for approvals.
You compete against caucasians, Japanese, Koreans, etc.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by TropicalExpat » Sat, 12 Sep 2020 1:19 pm

Coral_diamond wrote:
Sat, 12 Sep 2020 2:46 am
Hello! Planning to apply next month.

Your thoughts on our chances please, given it is almost year-end and the economic situation.

Sponsor - PR (wife)
Age: 38
Nationality: PH
Race: PH
Educ: Bachelor's Degree (top uni in PH)
Occupation: Application Devt Mgr in local bank for 14 yrs
Work exp: 17yrs
Length of stay in SG: 14 yrs, PR for 10 yrs
Tax Assessment: 14 years
Base Salary: 130k/yr
Yrs married : 10


Applicant - (EP) husband
Age: 38
Nationality: PH
Race: PH
Educ: Bachelor's Degree (PH)
Occupation: Lead Consultant in local IT firm for 7 yrs
Work exp: 17yrs
Length of stay in SG: 14 yrs
Tax Assessment: 14 years
Base Salary: 92k/yr

Child 1 - (DP) female
Born in SG in 2010
Studying in local primary school

Child 2 - (DP) male
Born in SG in 2015

1st application - 2010 when daughter was born
2nd application - 2016 sponsored whole fam
3rd application - 2018 sponsored children only
4th application - 2019 husband on own merit

Thank you for your help.

You ethnicity and age stand against you. Like I said in a different post, if your wife applied again now, she probably wouldn't get it.
I think you salary is low for your ethnic group.

The only 2 positives are that your daughter is in a local primary school and that your wife is already a PR.
And these are only marginal.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by BigginHill » Sat, 12 Sep 2020 2:05 pm

singaporeflyer wrote:
Thu, 10 Sep 2020 7:54 pm
@kjc123, your chances will be low.

Reason
1. Ethnicity
2. High salary and you can relocate any time
I would agree. I've seen similar profiles being rejected for PR multiple times. (myself included)

Honestly speaking, I don't think there's much future in westerners settling down long term in Singapore anymore. (unless spouse/family is local of course)

Public sentiment, national immigration and labour policies are actively working against foreigners & are not likely to fade away. And why would people want to settle in a place where they're not wanted.

Vivian Balakrishnan said it best:

“The only reason we have foreigners here is to give an extra wind in our sails when the opportunity is there,” he added.

“Now we are in a storm and we need to shed ballast"

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by Lslsnoopy » Sat, 12 Sep 2020 7:32 pm

Hi

Post here to rate my PR chance .

Was applied Apr 2020 attached my husband.
Main Applicant
Age : 31
Nationality: malaysia
Race : Chinese
Holding S pass
Occupation : Account executive in construction sector (1 year)
Qualifications: Diploma (CAT)
In Singapore around 13 - 14 years
Salary : $35k per annum
Will start part-time degree course coming Dec

Husband profile
Age : 41
Nationality: Malaysian
Qualification : Secondary school
Occupation: Delivery man
Basic salary $1k per month + commission
(Earning around $2k per month)
Working in Singapore 10 years

Married 5 years no kids

Appreciate on all experts reply.
Thanks

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