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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by sgppr » Sun, 06 Sep 2020 8:25 pm

Hello All,

Seeking advice on who should be the primary applicant of PR application. Below is my and my spouse's profile. Should male in the family be primary applicant? since my spouse has spent more # of years in SG and has higher fix salary?

Age: 34
Nationality: Indian
Gender: Male
Marital Status: 4.5 yrs
Kids: 1 born in india
Education: MBA from reputed BSchool in India
Work Experience: 12 years
Job: Leading MNC, Cyber Security
Length of stay: 2 years, one tax filing
Salary: SGD 170K fix
Pass: EP, no renewal, one job change

Spouse:
Age: 34
Nationality: Indian
Gender: Female
Education: MBA from reputed BSchool in India
Work Experience: 10 years
Job: Banking/Finance, MNC
Length of Stay: Total 5 years, previous stay for 3 years, current stay 2 years
Salary: SGD 240K fix, 2-3 tax filings
Pass: EP

Kindly advise with your experience. Thank you.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Sun, 06 Sep 2020 10:15 pm

sgppr wrote:
Sun, 06 Sep 2020 8:25 pm
Hello All,

Seeking advice on who should be the primary applicant of PR application. Below is my and my spouse's profile. Should male in the family be primary applicant? since my spouse has spent more # of years in SG and has higher fix salary?

Age: 34
Nationality: Indian
Gender: Male
Marital Status: 4.5 yrs
Kids: 1 born in india
Education: MBA from reputed BSchool in India
Work Experience: 12 years
Job: Leading MNC, Cyber Security
Length of stay: 2 years, one tax filing
Salary: SGD 170K fix
Pass: EP, no renewal, one job change

Spouse:
Age: 34
Nationality: Indian
Gender: Female
Education: MBA from reputed BSchool in India
Work Experience: 10 years
Job: Banking/Finance, MNC
Length of Stay: Total 5 years, previous stay for 3 years, current stay 2 years
Salary: SGD 240K fix, 2-3 tax filings
Pass: EP

Kindly advise with your experience. Thank you.
Anyone can be the main applicant in general. Usually applicants chose the one who has stayed longer and with the max salary to be the main applicant.

Your chance is low. Reasons
1. Short stay/work in SG
2. Discontinuity in Stay/Work in SG. The counter becomes 0 once there is a break and a person moves out of SG
3. Ethnicity.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by TropicalExpat » Mon, 07 Sep 2020 8:05 am

sgppr wrote:
Sun, 06 Sep 2020 8:25 pm
Hello All,

Seeking advice on who should be the primary applicant of PR application. Below is my and my spouse's profile. Should male in the family be primary applicant? since my spouse has spent more # of years in SG and has higher fix salary?

Age: 34
Nationality: Indian
Gender: Male
Marital Status: 4.5 yrs
Kids: 1 born in india
Education: MBA from reputed BSchool in India
Work Experience: 12 years
Job: Leading MNC, Cyber Security
Length of stay: 2 years, one tax filing
Salary: SGD 170K fix
Pass: EP, no renewal, one job change

Spouse:
Age: 34
Nationality: Indian
Gender: Female
Education: MBA from reputed BSchool in India
Work Experience: 10 years
Job: Banking/Finance, MNC
Length of Stay: Total 5 years, previous stay for 3 years, current stay 2 years
Salary: SGD 240K fix, 2-3 tax filings
Pass: EP

Kindly advise with your experience. Thank you.
Like SF says, low chance.
Both of you have low tax filings.
I assume you both have an undergraduate degree in engineering or something like that. Incidentally, I imagine that you mean reputable business school, rather than "reputed" - don't meant the same thing :D This is a normal route for Indians, and you don't stand out as "exceptional" in the way you will contribute to Singapore society.
Your wife might earn more than you but she works in an industry of which there are a lot of foreigners already.

I would suggest waiting another couple of years, basically once covid crisis is over, and then apply. The gahmen is clearly protecting citizens' jobs so it seems more likely they will reduce PR supply.

Is your child a boy or a girl?

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by humanity » Mon, 07 Sep 2020 5:48 pm

humanity wrote:
Tue, 07 Jul 2020 10:40 am
singaporeflyer wrote:
Tue, 07 Jul 2020 12:21 am
humanity wrote:
Tue, 07 Jul 2020 12:16 am
Hi Friends/Experts,

I am thinking to apply PR to my wife and daughter me (husband, SPR) as a sponsor. Can you please help me to suggest your feedback about the PR Approval chances. Thanks in advance.

A little background is that PR was applied 4 times for my spouse and 2 times for my daughter. All the time, They were rejected in 3 months waiting period except the last time with 6 months waiting period.

Sponsor Details (Myself):

Age: 35
Race: Indian
Nationality: Indian
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Kids: 4-Year-old daughter
Education: Bachelor of Engineering in Computer Science from India
Length of stay/Working in Singapore: 11+ Years
Income tax Assessment: 10 times
Job: Working as a Lead Developer in AI Domain for a European MNC which builds Software products
Annual Salary: 130K+ (Including Bonus and other variable components)
Total Work Experience: 14 Years
Residency status: SPR for the last 8+ years (Got my PR in 2012)

My wife Details: - Fifth-time applicant
Age: 31
Race: Indian
Nationality: Indian
Gender: Female
Education: Bachelor of Engineering in Computer Science from India
Length of stay in Singapore: 6 Years
Residency Status: LTVP
Total Work Experience: 5 Years
Currently Not working, But she was working in SG under LOC with the local SG IT company as a software developer for 2.5 years. My wife is currently a homemaker to look after my daughter.

Dependent applicants (Daughter) - Third-time applicant
Age: 4
Gender: Female
Nationality: Indian
Education: Studying N2 in Kindergarten.
Residency Status: LTVP
When was last rejection? Wait till year end and see if you can slightly improve your salary and then apply again? Also what is your basic salary? That is what counts as assured salary. Variable/Bonus etc MAY not be taken into consideration as they may or may not come/be given. That is why ICA will clearly ask for the BASIC salary.
Thanks SF for your feedback. Last rejection was received 1 year ago after 6 months waiting period. Agreed with your point on assured salary. My basic annual pay is 110K.
Hi,

Can I please get your valuable advice from other experts as well whether I can apply PR for my spouse and daughter with the above profile this month. Thanks in advance.

Hi SF,

Do you still suggest me to wait till this year-end. Thanks.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Mon, 07 Sep 2020 9:22 pm

humanity wrote:
Mon, 07 Sep 2020 5:48 pm
humanity wrote:
Tue, 07 Jul 2020 10:40 am
singaporeflyer wrote:
Tue, 07 Jul 2020 12:21 am


When was last rejection? Wait till year end and see if you can slightly improve your salary and then apply again? Also what is your basic salary? That is what counts as assured salary. Variable/Bonus etc MAY not be taken into consideration as they may or may not come/be given. That is why ICA will clearly ask for the BASIC salary.
Thanks SF for your feedback. Last rejection was received 1 year ago after 6 months waiting period. Agreed with your point on assured salary. My basic annual pay is 110K.
Hi,

Can I please get your valuable advice from other experts as well whether I can apply PR for my spouse and daughter with the above profile this month. Thanks in advance.

Hi SF,

Do you still suggest me to wait till this year-end. Thanks.
Wait and try applying next year.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by humanity » Mon, 07 Sep 2020 11:52 pm

ok Noted. Thanks SF. Any other specific reason to apply in next year other than pandemic.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Tue, 08 Sep 2020 12:04 am

humanity wrote:
Mon, 07 Sep 2020 11:52 pm
ok Noted. Thanks SF. Any other specific reason to apply in next year other than pandemic.
Your profile and your last rejection. It is not just the pandemic.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by TropicalExpat » Tue, 08 Sep 2020 9:17 am

humanity wrote:
Mon, 07 Sep 2020 5:48 pm
humanity wrote:
Tue, 07 Jul 2020 10:40 am
singaporeflyer wrote:
Tue, 07 Jul 2020 12:21 am


When was last rejection? Wait till year end and see if you can slightly improve your salary and then apply again? Also what is your basic salary? That is what counts as assured salary. Variable/Bonus etc MAY not be taken into consideration as they may or may not come/be given. That is why ICA will clearly ask for the BASIC salary.
Thanks SF for your feedback. Last rejection was received 1 year ago after 6 months waiting period. Agreed with your point on assured salary. My basic annual pay is 110K.
Hi,

Can I please get your valuable advice from other experts as well whether I can apply PR for my spouse and daughter with the above profile this month. Thanks in advance.

Hi SF,

Do you still suggest me to wait till this year-end. Thanks.
Being blunt, if you had applied for PR now, you probably wouldn't have got it, given your profile (low basic salary and ethnicity). This may be what weighs on your current application.

I would wait until late 2021 or even early 2022 for reapplying.
Your basic salary is quite low, which stands against you. Your wife doesn't work and you have a daughter. So the balance of what you put into Singapore and what you and your family potentially take out, is in your favour, not in the country's.
You should get your wife to work so that as a family unit your family pay is higher.
Also, your child would be eligible for primary school in a couple of years. I have a sneaky suspicion the gahmen is trying to slow the numbers of PRs with kids who could get into local primary schools (given complaints about PRs in local schools).

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by humanity » Tue, 08 Sep 2020 10:27 am

TropicalExpat wrote:
Tue, 08 Sep 2020 9:17 am
humanity wrote:
Mon, 07 Sep 2020 5:48 pm
humanity wrote:
Tue, 07 Jul 2020 10:40 am


Thanks SF for your feedback. Last rejection was received 1 year ago after 6 months waiting period. Agreed with your point on assured salary. My basic annual pay is 110K.
Hi,

Can I please get your valuable advice from other experts as well whether I can apply PR for my spouse and daughter with the above profile this month. Thanks in advance.

Hi SF,

Do you still suggest me to wait till this year-end. Thanks.
Being blunt, if you had applied for PR now, you probably wouldn't have got it, given your profile (low basic salary and ethnicity). This may be what weighs on your current application.

I would wait until late 2021 or even early 2022 for reapplying.
Your basic salary is quite low, which stands against you. Your wife doesn't work and you have a daughter. So the balance of what you put into Singapore and what you and your family potentially take out, is in your favour, not in the country's.
You should get your wife to work so that as a family unit your family pay is higher.
Also, your child would be eligible for primary school in a couple of years. I have a sneaky suspicion the gahmen is trying to slow the numbers of PRs with kids who could get into local primary schools (given complaints about PRs in local schools).

Thanks a lot TE for your suggestion. I would work on the suggested parts in balancing our contribution as a family than we taking out more.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by ZZZZr » Tue, 08 Sep 2020 4:48 pm

Hi Friends,

I have applied PR alone via e-PR on ICA website in September 2020.
considering the virus situation, what is the processing time for the PR application and what are the chances of getting PR ?
This is my first attempt.
Please help to provide your valuable inputs based on your experience in this forum.

Age: 27
Race: Chinese
Nationality: Chinese
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Education: Masters from Hong Kong & Bachelor from China (exchanged in NTU for one semester)
Job: Analyst in a commodities research unit
This industry has been hiring a high proportion of staff from overseas from 2013 to develop the local sector.
Length of stay in Singapore: 2.5 years (worked in the same company till now)
Income Tax Assessment: 2 Submitted
Total Job Experience: 5 Years
Base Salary: 70k+
Pass: EP


Your inputs on my post are highly appreciated. Thanks a lot for your help.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Tue, 08 Sep 2020 4:59 pm

ZZZZr wrote:
Tue, 08 Sep 2020 4:48 pm
Hi Friends,

I have applied PR alone via e-PR on ICA website in September 2020.
considering the virus situation, what is the processing time for the PR application and what are the chances of getting PR ?
This is my first attempt.
Please help to provide your valuable inputs based on your experience in this forum.

Age: 27
Race: Chinese
Nationality: Chinese
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Education: Masters from Hong Kong & Bachelor from China (exchanged in NTU for one semester)
Job: Analyst in a commodities research unit
This industry has been hiring a high proportion of staff from overseas from 2013 to develop the local sector.
Length of stay in Singapore: 2.5 years (worked in the same company till now)
Income Tax Assessment: 2 Submitted
Total Job Experience: 5 Years
Base Salary: 70k+
Pass: EP


Your inputs on my post are highly appreciated. Thanks a lot for your help.
Processing may take 6 months to 1 year.
Chance will be slightly low because of your short stay in SG

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by ZZZZr » Tue, 08 Sep 2020 5:11 pm

singaporeflyer wrote:
Tue, 08 Sep 2020 4:59 pm


Processing may take 6 months to 1 year.
Chance will be slightly low because of your short stay in SG
Thanks a lot! A long time to wait....:( And it will be my 4th year here if the pending time is 1 year :p

Is the only thing I can do is improving my salaries? What other criteria that may help with PR application?

Many thanks :D

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Tue, 08 Sep 2020 5:42 pm

ZZZZr wrote:
Tue, 08 Sep 2020 5:11 pm
singaporeflyer wrote:
Tue, 08 Sep 2020 4:59 pm


Processing may take 6 months to 1 year.
Chance will be slightly low because of your short stay in SG
Thanks a lot! A long time to wait....:( And it will be my 4th year here if the pending time is 1 year :p

Is the only thing I can do is improving my salaries? What other criteria that may help with PR application?

Many thanks :D
Apart from Career path there are not many things that you could change. There may be other suggestions like getting married, etc which I would not recommend just for getting PR

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by kjc123 » Thu, 10 Sep 2020 7:14 pm

Good evening, have been scrolling through all the posts so thought I would ask about our chances of becoming PR even though it seems our ethnicity/nationalities are against us and that we have 2 daughters.


Main applicant:
Gender - Male
Age - 35 years
Nationality: Caucasian English
Work: Director in a broking firm
Education: Business Degree
Duration in Singapore: 9 years
Total salary: 300k + bonus

Spouse
Age - 36 years
Nationality - Caucasian American
Education - Bachelor or Science and Doctorate
Work - Worked in health care the first 5 years in Singapore and now housewife who regularly volunteers with various women's and children's shelters (with Covid since she cannot physically be there she is part of a group that donates for groceries and meals)
Duration in Singapore: 10 years (we met and married here)

Child 1
Age - 2
Gender - Female
Nationality - American and British
Education - Playgroup at a more local style nursery

Child 2
Age - 5 months
Nationality - American and British
Gender - Female

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by TropicalExpat » Thu, 10 Sep 2020 7:32 pm

kjc123 wrote:
Thu, 10 Sep 2020 7:14 pm
Good evening, have been scrolling through all the posts so thought I would ask about our chances of becoming PR even though it seems our ethnicity/nationalities are against us and that we have 2 daughters.


Main applicant:
Gender - Male
Age - 35 years
Nationality: Caucasian English
Work: Director in a broking firm
Education: Business Degree
Duration in Singapore: 9 years
Total salary: 300k + bonus

Spouse
Age - 36 years
Nationality - Caucasian American
Education - Bachelor or Science and Doctorate
Work - Worked in health care the first 5 years in Singapore and now housewife who regularly volunteers with various women's and children's shelters (with Covid since she cannot physically be there she is part of a group that donates for groceries and meals)
Duration in Singapore: 10 years (we met and married here)

Child 1
Age - 2
Gender - Female
Nationality - American and British
Education - Playgroup at a more local style nursery

Child 2
Age - 5 months
Nationality - American and British
Gender - Female
I think you might stand a reasonable chance given your length of stay in Singapore. Yes your ethnicity is not a positive, but then I suspect there will be a number of expats leaving in the coming year as jobs are switched out to locals.
You salary is in the decent range but maybe not be high enough given the people you will be directly competing with.

As we've mentioned elsewhere, volunteering no longer seems to hold a lot of weight with the authorities.

Just go ahead and apply. The $100 fee is not a lot for your salary and if you get it, that's wonderful news for you guys.

Just something slightly separate. If you were at some point to have a son, I'm not sure how that would work in terms of REP renewal. Whether the authorities would reject your REP renewal if you don't get your son PR and hence lose your PR.
I'm not sure if @SMS has a view on whether son's get automatic PR or if you can choose for them to be LTVP.
My assumption here is that if you choose to have your son get LTVP vs PR, then they would likely not be able to get a job here/stay here when they become adults.
Purely hypothetical I grant you

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