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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by Elena.Kwa » Thu, 03 Sep 2020 6:39 pm

nik0508 wrote:
Mon, 31 Aug 2020 6:00 pm
Hi All,

Thanks for viewing my post.

I'm reaching out to experts who have been in this forum for a while and providing guidance to people in need.

Purpose of my post is to seek guidance whether is this the right time to apply & whether my profile stands any chance to get esteemed Singapore PR. Apprecaite if you have any insights or guidance ?

In Singapore from 2004 - 2005 for Education, could not get a job moved to Middle east to work with a well reputed accounting firm for 3.5 years.

Got a job in Singapore again in 2014 November moved here with Family (Wife & 1 Daughter). We had our second child in Singapore in 2016.

First PR application submitted in September 2017 myself as main applicant with wife & 2 daughters, which was rejected after 10 months in July 2018.

Considering to apply once again but before doing that evaluating should i apply again or not ? Seek your feedback and suggestions ? My detailed profile as per below:

Main applicant:
Gender - Male
Age - 36 years
Nationality: Indian
Work: Compliance senior management in a MNC BANK
Education: Chartered Accountant
Duration: First time - 1.5 years for studies (2004- 2005). Work (Nov 2014 to Present)
Change of Job - Changed Job in May 2018.
Work experience: 12y +
Total salary: 220K / Total salary during 1st application 168K
Pass: EP valid till Jan 2022.
Tax filing: 6 years

Spouse
Age - 36 years
Nationality - Indian
Education - MBA from Europe
Work - Home maker since we had our first kid i.e. never worked in Singapore

Child 1
Age - 7 years
Gender - Female
Nationality - Indian
Education - Primary 1 in Local MOE school

Child 2
Age - 4 years
Nationality - Indian
Gender - Female
Education - Kindergarten in a church based school
Hi Nik,

Based on your information provided, you have a good family nucleus and belongs to the upper brackets of an EP holder. Generally, your profile seems above average, given your age, qualifications, industry type and salary range.

As it has also been more than 2 years since your last rejection, it is a good time to consider reapplying, especially if there have been progress in your professional career over the past years. Furthermore, with the current COVID-19 pandemic, approx. 150,000 foreigners have already left Singapore and there are definitely fewer applications submitted for Singapore Permanent Residency (PR) these days compared to the pre-COVID times.

As a professional in the inbound Singapore immigration industry, we know from official statistics that there are easily more than 150,000 applicants applying for PR every year and only 32,000-33,000 are approved annually! A tip to remember, the Singapore government takes a holistic approach to evaluate eligible PR candidates and there is no one deciding factor.

Do not lose hope and give PR another shot! All the best to you!

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PR approval chance in 2020

Post by jamie9vardy » Thu, 03 Sep 2020 6:53 pm

Elena.Kwa wrote:
nik0508 wrote:
Mon, 31 Aug 2020 6:00 pm
Hi All,

Thanks for viewing my post.

I'm reaching out to experts who have been in this forum for a while and providing guidance to people in need.

Purpose of my post is to seek guidance whether is this the right time to apply & whether my profile stands any chance to get esteemed Singapore PR. Apprecaite if you have any insights or guidance ?

In Singapore from 2004 - 2005 for Education, could not get a job moved to Middle east to work with a well reputed accounting firm for 3.5 years.

Got a job in Singapore again in 2014 November moved here with Family (Wife & 1 Daughter). We had our second child in Singapore in 2016.

First PR application submitted in September 2017 myself as main applicant with wife & 2 daughters, which was rejected after 10 months in July 2018.

Considering to apply once again but before doing that evaluating should i apply again or not ? Seek your feedback and suggestions ? My detailed profile as per below:

Main applicant:
Gender - Male
Age - 36 years
Nationality: Indian
Work: Compliance senior management in a MNC BANK
Education: Chartered Accountant
Duration: First time - 1.5 years for studies (2004- 2005). Work (Nov 2014 to Present)
Change of Job - Changed Job in May 2018.
Work experience: 12y +
Total salary: 220K / Total salary during 1st application 168K
Pass: EP valid till Jan 2022.
Tax filing: 6 years

Spouse
Age - 36 years
Nationality - Indian
Education - MBA from Europe
Work - Home maker since we had our first kid i.e. never worked in Singapore

Child 1
Age - 7 years
Gender - Female
Nationality - Indian
Education - Primary 1 in Local MOE school

Child 2
Age - 4 years
Nationality - Indian
Gender - Female
Education - Kindergarten in a church based school
Hi Nik,

Based on your information provided, you have a good family nucleus and belongs to the upper brackets of an EP holder. Generally, your profile seems above average, given your age, qualifications, industry type and salary range.

As it has also been more than 2 years since your last rejection, it is a good time to consider reapplying, especially if there have been progress in your professional career over the past years. Furthermore, with the current COVID-19 pandemic, approx. 150,000 foreigners have already left Singapore and there are definitely fewer applications submitted for Singapore Permanent Residency (PR) these days compared to the pre-COVID times.

As a professional in the inbound Singapore immigration industry, we know from official statistics that there are easily more than 150,000 applicants applying for PR every year and only 32,000-33,000 are approved annually! A tip to remember, the Singapore government takes a holistic approach to evaluate eligible PR candidates and there is no one deciding factor.

Do not lose hope and give PR another shot! All the best to you!
Elena, tell us something that we don’t already know.

What’s your take on the % of success?
Elena.Kwa wrote: Furthermore, with the current COVID-19 pandemic, approx. 150,000 foreigners have already left Singapore and there are definitely fewer applications submitted
Wow... Really?
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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 03 Sep 2020 7:02 pm

^^^^This.

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Post by TropicalExpat » Thu, 03 Sep 2020 7:47 pm

Look up the name on google and you see an "immigration consultant"...

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by jamie9vardy » Thu, 03 Sep 2020 7:54 pm

TropicalExpat wrote:Look up the name on google and you see an "immigration consultant"...
Yes, she said that in her post too. Was waiting for her to post a link to solicit business and for the mods to ban her.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by the observer » Thu, 03 Sep 2020 8:16 pm

150,000 less foreigners?

But according to Josephine Teo in parliament just this week, she said 20k less EP holders over the past few months.

I guess EP holders are a small subset of “Foreigners”

Edit: population of EP holders have dropped by 20k

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 03 Sep 2020 10:57 pm

jamie9vardy wrote:
Thu, 03 Sep 2020 7:54 pm
TropicalExpat wrote:Look up the name on google and you see an "immigration consultant"...
Yes, she said that in her post too. Was waiting for her to post a link to solicit business and for the mods to ban her.
:devil: Me was just waiting.....tic...toc...tic...toc...

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by snoopygirl » Sat, 05 Sep 2020 6:00 pm

TropicalExpat wrote:
Thu, 03 Sep 2020 6:10 pm
snoopygirl wrote:
Thu, 03 Sep 2020 5:40 pm
Hello, all:
I am asking advice from all friends on this topic, and appreciate your suggestions in advance.

I came to Singapore for a position in a MNC pharma company in 2012 August, and got my first EP. The EP has been renewed 3 times (same company) and the latest renewal was issued in June 2020 for 3 years.
As I have been staying in Singapore for 8 years, I started my PR application process and submitted on Aug 10, 2020 (my first PR application). However, my company announced an unexpected re-organization on Aug 12 and my position will be eliminated. The last day will be October 31, 2020 (and EP will be cancelled on that day), and I am now finding a job to stay in Singapore after that.

Age : 42
Race : Chinese
Nationality: Taiwanese
Gender : Female
Marital Status : Single
Education: phd in Economics (USA)
Job : Medical Affairs Associate, specialized in Health Economics, Health Technology Assessment
Length of stay : 8 years
Salary :100k+ as base salary and
Pass: EP

I spoke to my health insurance agent this afternoon about this, and she suggested me to write a letter to ICA explaining the situation, and asking whether it's possible to expedite my application of PR before my EP is cancelled. However, I saw some posts here sharing the potential negative impact if asking for expedition.

Just wondering is there anything i can do to help with this situation? Really appreciate your feedback and suggestion in advance. :)
Sorry about your circumstances.
You've already submitted the PR application. So just forget about it for now.
Get a new job first and then worry about the PR. If you get it in a short space of time, then you can just contact ICA.
The application timeline is so long (more than 12 months in some cases), so if you get a job in the meantime, they may roll your application into the new job.

Just focus on the job and good luck with the search!
Thanks a lot for your advices and encouraging words, TropicalExpat and singaporeflyer. I am doing my best to find a job and hopefully something will come up soon. Thanks again.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by sgppr » Sun, 06 Sep 2020 8:25 pm

Hello All,

Seeking advice on who should be the primary applicant of PR application. Below is my and my spouse's profile. Should male in the family be primary applicant? since my spouse has spent more # of years in SG and has higher fix salary?

Age: 34
Nationality: Indian
Gender: Male
Marital Status: 4.5 yrs
Kids: 1 born in india
Education: MBA from reputed BSchool in India
Work Experience: 12 years
Job: Leading MNC, Cyber Security
Length of stay: 2 years, one tax filing
Salary: SGD 170K fix
Pass: EP, no renewal, one job change

Spouse:
Age: 34
Nationality: Indian
Gender: Female
Education: MBA from reputed BSchool in India
Work Experience: 10 years
Job: Banking/Finance, MNC
Length of Stay: Total 5 years, previous stay for 3 years, current stay 2 years
Salary: SGD 240K fix, 2-3 tax filings
Pass: EP

Kindly advise with your experience. Thank you.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Sun, 06 Sep 2020 10:15 pm

sgppr wrote:
Sun, 06 Sep 2020 8:25 pm
Hello All,

Seeking advice on who should be the primary applicant of PR application. Below is my and my spouse's profile. Should male in the family be primary applicant? since my spouse has spent more # of years in SG and has higher fix salary?

Age: 34
Nationality: Indian
Gender: Male
Marital Status: 4.5 yrs
Kids: 1 born in india
Education: MBA from reputed BSchool in India
Work Experience: 12 years
Job: Leading MNC, Cyber Security
Length of stay: 2 years, one tax filing
Salary: SGD 170K fix
Pass: EP, no renewal, one job change

Spouse:
Age: 34
Nationality: Indian
Gender: Female
Education: MBA from reputed BSchool in India
Work Experience: 10 years
Job: Banking/Finance, MNC
Length of Stay: Total 5 years, previous stay for 3 years, current stay 2 years
Salary: SGD 240K fix, 2-3 tax filings
Pass: EP

Kindly advise with your experience. Thank you.
Anyone can be the main applicant in general. Usually applicants chose the one who has stayed longer and with the max salary to be the main applicant.

Your chance is low. Reasons
1. Short stay/work in SG
2. Discontinuity in Stay/Work in SG. The counter becomes 0 once there is a break and a person moves out of SG
3. Ethnicity.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by TropicalExpat » Mon, 07 Sep 2020 8:05 am

sgppr wrote:
Sun, 06 Sep 2020 8:25 pm
Hello All,

Seeking advice on who should be the primary applicant of PR application. Below is my and my spouse's profile. Should male in the family be primary applicant? since my spouse has spent more # of years in SG and has higher fix salary?

Age: 34
Nationality: Indian
Gender: Male
Marital Status: 4.5 yrs
Kids: 1 born in india
Education: MBA from reputed BSchool in India
Work Experience: 12 years
Job: Leading MNC, Cyber Security
Length of stay: 2 years, one tax filing
Salary: SGD 170K fix
Pass: EP, no renewal, one job change

Spouse:
Age: 34
Nationality: Indian
Gender: Female
Education: MBA from reputed BSchool in India
Work Experience: 10 years
Job: Banking/Finance, MNC
Length of Stay: Total 5 years, previous stay for 3 years, current stay 2 years
Salary: SGD 240K fix, 2-3 tax filings
Pass: EP

Kindly advise with your experience. Thank you.
Like SF says, low chance.
Both of you have low tax filings.
I assume you both have an undergraduate degree in engineering or something like that. Incidentally, I imagine that you mean reputable business school, rather than "reputed" - don't meant the same thing :D This is a normal route for Indians, and you don't stand out as "exceptional" in the way you will contribute to Singapore society.
Your wife might earn more than you but she works in an industry of which there are a lot of foreigners already.

I would suggest waiting another couple of years, basically once covid crisis is over, and then apply. The gahmen is clearly protecting citizens' jobs so it seems more likely they will reduce PR supply.

Is your child a boy or a girl?

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by humanity » Mon, 07 Sep 2020 5:48 pm

humanity wrote:
Tue, 07 Jul 2020 10:40 am
singaporeflyer wrote:
Tue, 07 Jul 2020 12:21 am
humanity wrote:
Tue, 07 Jul 2020 12:16 am
Hi Friends/Experts,

I am thinking to apply PR to my wife and daughter me (husband, SPR) as a sponsor. Can you please help me to suggest your feedback about the PR Approval chances. Thanks in advance.

A little background is that PR was applied 4 times for my spouse and 2 times for my daughter. All the time, They were rejected in 3 months waiting period except the last time with 6 months waiting period.

Sponsor Details (Myself):

Age: 35
Race: Indian
Nationality: Indian
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Kids: 4-Year-old daughter
Education: Bachelor of Engineering in Computer Science from India
Length of stay/Working in Singapore: 11+ Years
Income tax Assessment: 10 times
Job: Working as a Lead Developer in AI Domain for a European MNC which builds Software products
Annual Salary: 130K+ (Including Bonus and other variable components)
Total Work Experience: 14 Years
Residency status: SPR for the last 8+ years (Got my PR in 2012)

My wife Details: - Fifth-time applicant
Age: 31
Race: Indian
Nationality: Indian
Gender: Female
Education: Bachelor of Engineering in Computer Science from India
Length of stay in Singapore: 6 Years
Residency Status: LTVP
Total Work Experience: 5 Years
Currently Not working, But she was working in SG under LOC with the local SG IT company as a software developer for 2.5 years. My wife is currently a homemaker to look after my daughter.

Dependent applicants (Daughter) - Third-time applicant
Age: 4
Gender: Female
Nationality: Indian
Education: Studying N2 in Kindergarten.
Residency Status: LTVP
When was last rejection? Wait till year end and see if you can slightly improve your salary and then apply again? Also what is your basic salary? That is what counts as assured salary. Variable/Bonus etc MAY not be taken into consideration as they may or may not come/be given. That is why ICA will clearly ask for the BASIC salary.
Thanks SF for your feedback. Last rejection was received 1 year ago after 6 months waiting period. Agreed with your point on assured salary. My basic annual pay is 110K.
Hi,

Can I please get your valuable advice from other experts as well whether I can apply PR for my spouse and daughter with the above profile this month. Thanks in advance.

Hi SF,

Do you still suggest me to wait till this year-end. Thanks.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Mon, 07 Sep 2020 9:22 pm

humanity wrote:
Mon, 07 Sep 2020 5:48 pm
humanity wrote:
Tue, 07 Jul 2020 10:40 am
singaporeflyer wrote:
Tue, 07 Jul 2020 12:21 am


When was last rejection? Wait till year end and see if you can slightly improve your salary and then apply again? Also what is your basic salary? That is what counts as assured salary. Variable/Bonus etc MAY not be taken into consideration as they may or may not come/be given. That is why ICA will clearly ask for the BASIC salary.
Thanks SF for your feedback. Last rejection was received 1 year ago after 6 months waiting period. Agreed with your point on assured salary. My basic annual pay is 110K.
Hi,

Can I please get your valuable advice from other experts as well whether I can apply PR for my spouse and daughter with the above profile this month. Thanks in advance.

Hi SF,

Do you still suggest me to wait till this year-end. Thanks.
Wait and try applying next year.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by humanity » Mon, 07 Sep 2020 11:52 pm

ok Noted. Thanks SF. Any other specific reason to apply in next year other than pandemic.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Tue, 08 Sep 2020 12:04 am

humanity wrote:
Mon, 07 Sep 2020 11:52 pm
ok Noted. Thanks SF. Any other specific reason to apply in next year other than pandemic.
Your profile and your last rejection. It is not just the pandemic.

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