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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by PNGMK » Mon, 17 Aug 2020 11:19 am

Vitruvian wrote:
Mon, 17 Aug 2020 10:07 am
Interesting to note the wide range of opinions on my profile from the Gurus. Taking away as little clarity as I came in the group with - guess that’s why it’s difficult to predict outcomes!

All the best everyone!

Cheers,
Very true. (Edit - to be fair the whole LinkedIn doxxing event just happened and I think is really gonna put a rocket up ICA and PAP etc).
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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by jamie9vardy » Mon, 17 Aug 2020 12:12 pm

Not too sure how much ICA and MOM will be bothered.

For e.g. SCB was recently awarded the Significantly Rooted Foreign Bank (SRFB) status. And one of the criteria was:

(b) significant proportion of global key appointment holders and business heads based in Singapore

I think it didn’t say the global heads or senior management needs to be a Singaporean, just need to be SG-based.

So those MD and ED levels may still be filled by foreigners or PR or naturalised SC. Branch service and sales staff will largely be locals and that will be the buffer to maintain the 70% of ‘local’ core.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by PNGMK » Mon, 17 Aug 2020 3:10 pm

Well to be fair I don't think anyone can win against this with Ho Ching, at least not without a revolution which ain't happening.
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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by malasoup » Mon, 17 Aug 2020 5:19 pm

TropicalExpat wrote:
Sun, 16 Aug 2020 5:34 pm
malasoup wrote:
Sat, 15 Aug 2020 5:08 pm
Hey there!

Thank you to the few contributors who are offering valuable advice on PR applications in SG :D

Would like to know what you guys reckon the chances of my spouse getting his PR approved will be since I have not seen any business owners enquiring about PR application in any other posts (maybe I did not lurk long enough or wasn't paying enough attention?).

Quick Back story:
(1) We have been dating for 4 years but only married this year in 2020. It is not marriage of convenience but obviously ICA didn't ask about dating duration before marriage so I hope they don't see it as such. Also, my mistake for not reading forums like these online before applying!
(2) My husband has applied by himself 3 years ago when he was a single expat (where I was NOT included in that application since we weren't married, then). Rejected, obviously haha! :roll:
(3) Also, we are BOTH new entrepreneurs who registered our own businesses (SG based) in 2019 and 2020.
________________________________
PROFILES - Applied Jun 2020 under Singaporean sponsorship:

DURATION OF MARRIAGE - less than 1 year
KIDS - currently zero

Wife (Myself):
Nationality - Singaporean / Chinese
Age - 28
Occupation - owner of Pte Ltd. (ecommerce) pre-COVID
Previous jobs held before 2020 - Recruiter / Headhunter
Current drawn in 2020 - Less than 20k / year (everything goes back to my business)
Previous drawn in 2019 - $5 to $10k / month
Highest Education - Bachelor's Degree, NUS

Husband:
Nationality - Australian / Caucasian
Age - 32
Occupation - owner of his own recruitment firm started in 2020 pre-COVID
Current drawn in 2020 - $5k /month, EP (under own business)
Last drawn in 2019 - $9.5k / month, EP
Previous jobs held - Recruiter / Headhunter under 3 different companies
Duration in SG - 8 years , no breaks in-between
Highest Education - Bachelor's Degree from Australia
________________________________
Appreciate any comments, feedback, ideas.
Thank you guys so so much O:)
best wishes for your marriage.

Your prior salaries are quite low. I would say the only reason he would get PR based on prior salary is because of his marriage to a Singaporean.
However, the rhetorical question is how much revenue are your businesses making? If it's a decent amount then your husband should easily get PR.
Wait 2 - 3 years. Keep the businesses afloat and he should get it.
And Good Luck!
Thank you my friend. His prior salary will exceed 9.5k/month, because I forgot to mention his commissions.

As for our business revenue, do you think ICA looks at gross revenue or other metric? Just curious :)

We had already made the application, pending results. [-o<

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Mon, 17 Aug 2020 5:41 pm

malasoup wrote:
Mon, 17 Aug 2020 5:19 pm
TropicalExpat wrote:
Sun, 16 Aug 2020 5:34 pm
malasoup wrote:
Sat, 15 Aug 2020 5:08 pm
Hey there!

Thank you to the few contributors who are offering valuable advice on PR applications in SG :D

Would like to know what you guys reckon the chances of my spouse getting his PR approved will be since I have not seen any business owners enquiring about PR application in any other posts (maybe I did not lurk long enough or wasn't paying enough attention?).

Quick Back story:
(1) We have been dating for 4 years but only married this year in 2020. It is not marriage of convenience but obviously ICA didn't ask about dating duration before marriage so I hope they don't see it as such. Also, my mistake for not reading forums like these online before applying!
(2) My husband has applied by himself 3 years ago when he was a single expat (where I was NOT included in that application since we weren't married, then). Rejected, obviously haha! :roll:
(3) Also, we are BOTH new entrepreneurs who registered our own businesses (SG based) in 2019 and 2020.
________________________________
PROFILES - Applied Jun 2020 under Singaporean sponsorship:

DURATION OF MARRIAGE - less than 1 year
KIDS - currently zero

Wife (Myself):
Nationality - Singaporean / Chinese
Age - 28
Occupation - owner of Pte Ltd. (ecommerce) pre-COVID
Previous jobs held before 2020 - Recruiter / Headhunter
Current drawn in 2020 - Less than 20k / year (everything goes back to my business)
Previous drawn in 2019 - $5 to $10k / month
Highest Education - Bachelor's Degree, NUS

Husband:
Nationality - Australian / Caucasian
Age - 32
Occupation - owner of his own recruitment firm started in 2020 pre-COVID
Current drawn in 2020 - $5k /month, EP (under own business)
Last drawn in 2019 - $9.5k / month, EP
Previous jobs held - Recruiter / Headhunter under 3 different companies
Duration in SG - 8 years , no breaks in-between
Highest Education - Bachelor's Degree from Australia
________________________________
Appreciate any comments, feedback, ideas.
Thank you guys so so much O:)
best wishes for your marriage.

Your prior salaries are quite low. I would say the only reason he would get PR based on prior salary is because of his marriage to a Singaporean.
However, the rhetorical question is how much revenue are your businesses making? If it's a decent amount then your husband should easily get PR.
Wait 2 - 3 years. Keep the businesses afloat and he should get it.
And Good Luck!
Thank you my friend. His prior salary will exceed 9.5k/month, because I forgot to mention his commissions.

As for our business revenue, do you think ICA looks at gross revenue or other metric? Just curious :)

We had already made the application, pending results. [-o<
What they will look at is the guaranteed basic salary. All commissions etc may be treated as something bonus/good to have as they are not guaranteed always.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by gizmogeek » Mon, 17 Aug 2020 8:45 pm

its a long shot, may take many years for PR, salary and rest hardly matter when you come under Others and not C/M/I

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by TropicalExpat » Mon, 17 Aug 2020 10:41 pm

malasoup wrote:
Mon, 17 Aug 2020 5:19 pm
TropicalExpat wrote:
Sun, 16 Aug 2020 5:34 pm
malasoup wrote:
Sat, 15 Aug 2020 5:08 pm
Hey there!

Thank you to the few contributors who are offering valuable advice on PR applications in SG :D

Would like to know what you guys reckon the chances of my spouse getting his PR approved will be since I have not seen any business owners enquiring about PR application in any other posts (maybe I did not lurk long enough or wasn't paying enough attention?).

Quick Back story:
(1) We have been dating for 4 years but only married this year in 2020. It is not marriage of convenience but obviously ICA didn't ask about dating duration before marriage so I hope they don't see it as such. Also, my mistake for not reading forums like these online before applying!
(2) My husband has applied by himself 3 years ago when he was a single expat (where I was NOT included in that application since we weren't married, then). Rejected, obviously haha! :roll:
(3) Also, we are BOTH new entrepreneurs who registered our own businesses (SG based) in 2019 and 2020.
________________________________
PROFILES - Applied Jun 2020 under Singaporean sponsorship:

DURATION OF MARRIAGE - less than 1 year
KIDS - currently zero

Wife (Myself):
Nationality - Singaporean / Chinese
Age - 28
Occupation - owner of Pte Ltd. (ecommerce) pre-COVID
Previous jobs held before 2020 - Recruiter / Headhunter
Current drawn in 2020 - Less than 20k / year (everything goes back to my business)
Previous drawn in 2019 - $5 to $10k / month
Highest Education - Bachelor's Degree, NUS

Husband:
Nationality - Australian / Caucasian
Age - 32
Occupation - owner of his own recruitment firm started in 2020 pre-COVID
Current drawn in 2020 - $5k /month, EP (under own business)
Last drawn in 2019 - $9.5k / month, EP
Previous jobs held - Recruiter / Headhunter under 3 different companies
Duration in SG - 8 years , no breaks in-between
Highest Education - Bachelor's Degree from Australia
________________________________
Appreciate any comments, feedback, ideas.
Thank you guys so so much O:)
best wishes for your marriage.

Your prior salaries are quite low. I would say the only reason he would get PR based on prior salary is because of his marriage to a Singaporean.
However, the rhetorical question is how much revenue are your businesses making? If it's a decent amount then your husband should easily get PR.
Wait 2 - 3 years. Keep the businesses afloat and he should get it.
And Good Luck!
Thank you my friend. His prior salary will exceed 9.5k/month, because I forgot to mention his commissions.

As for our business revenue, do you think ICA looks at gross revenue or other metric? Just curious :)

We had already made the application, pending results. [-o<
Now that's a good question, and I have no idea whether they look at gross or net, though I imagine it would be something like whatever you pay in tax :D
I made the mistake in another post of not saying explicitly that salary is only one component of the decision. There are whole host of other factors involved.
Another positive, would be if your husband employs lots of Singaporeans, with very few foreigners. That is always looked on favourably. And I mean lots of Singaporeans. Especially in this time when people are being laid off. Also, use the company to buy lots (again, I mean a lot) of local goods and services wherever possible and make sure you keep a good record of these payments and submit them along with his application.

But why the rush to get PR now? He will likely get it in a couple of years time, when it would almost be a shoe-in.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by tropicalpolar » Tue, 18 Aug 2020 1:04 pm

Please help us to rate our chances of getting SPR as family:

My profile:

Ethnicity: Indian
Pass: EP
Age: 31
Stay in SG: 2 years 8 months
Salary: ~100k per annum
Education: Bachelor (India)
Occupation: Software Engineer
Sector: Finance (Commodities)
Experience: ~10 years

My spouse's profile:

Ethnicity: Indian
Pass: EP
Age: 32
Stay in SG: 2 years 4 months
Salary: ~120k per annum
Education: Bachelor (India)
Occupation: Software Engineer
Sector: Finance (US Bank)
Experience: ~10 years

Married for 6 years
Children: No
No. of PR applications: Not applied till date

Should we wait for 3rd tax assessment and apply next year?

TIA!!

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by TropicalExpat » Tue, 18 Aug 2020 3:29 pm

tropicalpolar wrote:
Tue, 18 Aug 2020 1:04 pm
Please help us to rate our chances of getting SPR as family:

My profile:

Ethnicity: Indian
Pass: EP
Age: 31
Stay in SG: 2 years 8 months
Salary: ~100k per annum
Education: Bachelor (India)
Occupation: Software Engineer
Sector: Finance (Commodities)
Experience: ~10 years

My spouse's profile:

Ethnicity: Indian
Pass: EP
Age: 32
Stay in SG: 2 years 4 months
Salary: ~120k per annum
Education: Bachelor (India)
Occupation: Software Engineer
Sector: Finance (US Bank)
Experience: ~10 years

Married for 6 years
Children: No
No. of PR applications: Not applied till date

Should we wait for 3rd tax assessment and apply next year?

TIA!!

I think your chances are quite low. Finacce sector is already overloaded with foreign workers, with similar qualifications.
The same question as has been raised by others in previous posts. How do you contribute to Singapore in a way that others do not?
Lots of people come here with undergraduate degrees in engineering, followed by MBAs, so your qualifications are probably not going be a net positive for you.
Two-three years in Singapore is about standard, so again, not a net positive.

From what I've read from this forum, it seems highly unlikely that waiting a 3rd tax year will help your application.

If I was trying to get PR in your case, I would focus on boosting your salaries over the next couple of years and then trying.

Let us know how what you decide!

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by tropicalpolar » Tue, 18 Aug 2020 4:37 pm

TropicalExpat wrote:
Tue, 18 Aug 2020 3:29 pm
tropicalpolar wrote:
Tue, 18 Aug 2020 1:04 pm
Please help us to rate our chances of getting SPR as family:

My profile:

Ethnicity: Indian
Pass: EP
Age: 31
Stay in SG: 2 years 8 months
Salary: ~100k per annum
Education: Bachelor (India)
Occupation: Software Engineer
Sector: Finance (Commodities)
Experience: ~10 years

My spouse's profile:

Ethnicity: Indian
Pass: EP
Age: 32
Stay in SG: 2 years 4 months
Salary: ~120k per annum
Education: Bachelor (India)
Occupation: Software Engineer
Sector: Finance (US Bank)
Experience: ~10 years

Married for 6 years
Children: No
No. of PR applications: Not applied till date

Should we wait for 3rd tax assessment and apply next year?

TIA!!
I think your chances are quite low. Finacce sector is already overloaded with foreign workers, with similar qualifications.
The same question as has been raised by others in previous posts. How do you contribute to Singapore in a way that others do not?
Lots of people come here with undergraduate degrees in engineering, followed by MBAs, so your qualifications are probably not going be a net positive for you.
Two-three years in Singapore is about standard, so again, not a net positive.

From what I've read from this forum, it seems highly unlikely that waiting a 3rd tax year will help your application.

If I was trying to get PR in your case, I would focus on boosting your salaries over the next couple of years and then trying.

Let us know how what you decide!
Thanks for your insight, I'll post if I go for it.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by PRCSRC » Wed, 19 Aug 2020 9:36 am

Hello, could you please assess my chances for PR approval

Age : 32
Race : Indian
Gender : Male
Marital Status : Married for 5 years
Kids: 1 son 3 years born here
Education : bachelors in engineering
Current Field of Work : software engineer in MNC
Total experience - 9 years
Experience in current co - 3 years plus
Length of stay in SG : 6 Years
No of tax return : 5 or 6 returns
Salary : Basic 84K plus bonus Of 2 months
Pass : EP
Applied Previously: Yes 3 times
Applied now - No


Spouse Age : 33
Race : Indian
Gender : Female
Education : MBA from India and CA inter
Current Field of Work : Finance in a SG company
Current company - 4 years plus
Length of stay : 5 Years
No of tax return : 5 returns
Salary : Basic 38.4K plus bonus

what is probability in my case, given the current economic scenario and uncertainty due to COVID19. Please suggest If any changes are required to increase our chances.

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PR approval chance in 2020

Post by jamie9vardy » Wed, 19 Aug 2020 9:53 am

PRCSRC wrote:Hello, could you please assess my chances for PR approval

Age : 32
Race : Indian
Gender : Male
Marital Status : Married for 5 years
Kids: 1 son 3 years born here
Education : bachelors in engineering
Current Field of Work : software engineer in MNC
Total experience - 9 years
Experience in current co - 3 years plus
Length of stay in SG : 6 Years
No of tax return : 5 or 6 returns
Salary : Basic 84K plus bonus Of 2 months
Pass : EP
Applied Previously: Yes 3 times
Applied now - No


Spouse Age : 33
Race : Indian
Gender : Female
Education : MBA from India and CA inter
Current Field of Work : Finance in a SG company
Current company - 4 years plus
Length of stay : 5 Years
No of tax return : 5 returns
Salary : Basic 38.4K plus bonus

what is probability in my case, given the current economic scenario and uncertainty due to COVID19. Please suggest If any changes are required to increase our chances.
Refer to TropicalExpat’s response in #504 above.

Changes required to increase your chances? - convert to Malaysian and change your race to Chinese Image

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by riseasian123 » Thu, 20 Aug 2020 3:02 am

I know there are so many lurkers here following this forum may i know how many of you are already more than 12 months of waiting and up until now still on pending status?

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by riseasian123 » Thu, 20 Aug 2020 3:23 am

katrinx88 wrote:
Sun, 09 Aug 2020 1:30 am
Hi,

I applied for my PR last Nov 2020 and got a request in April for proof of Chinese descent. After submitting the docs (confirmed received by ICA), havent heard back from them since. I submitted birth certificates of my grandparents (all born in china), and my parents (both born in the Philippines).

I also didnt receive any mail on the delay in processing time that other people mentioned in this thread... Wanted to check if this is this normal waiting time? And if any advise on how my chances are looking?

thank you!

Have you gotten your results already katrin?

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by katrinx88 » Thu, 20 Aug 2020 10:38 am

riseasian123 wrote:
Thu, 20 Aug 2020 3:23 am
katrinx88 wrote:
Sun, 09 Aug 2020 1:30 am
Hi,

I applied for my PR last Nov 2020 and got a request in April for proof of Chinese descent. After submitting the docs (confirmed received by ICA), havent heard back from them since. I submitted birth certificates of my grandparents (all born in china), and my parents (both born in the Philippines).

I also didnt receive any mail on the delay in processing time that other people mentioned in this thread... Wanted to check if this is this normal waiting time? And if any advise on how my chances are looking?

thank you!

Have you gotten your results already katrin?
No not yet... :(

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