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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by PartyLike-A-Russian » Sun, 09 Aug 2020 10:42 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Sun, 09 Aug 2020 2:19 pm
- Learn Chinese (I had this thought some time ago. Not for PR. I just wonder if I'll be able to memorise Chinese characters use the tones correctly. But if it counts as integration, of course, I will use it in my future applications). (Null benefit in the short term)
I wonder. Why do you think that learning one of the country's official languages is not an integration effort? :)

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 10 Aug 2020 2:22 am

You obviously do speak the official language of Government in Singapore. English. I've integrated just fine, been here 39 years and still do not speak any other language but English and a smattering of Bahasa because I worked in Indonesia for 12 years in the 80's & 90's. In fact, unless you are planning on doing business with the PRC there is no real reason to learn Mandarin here at all.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by PartyLike-A-Russian » Mon, 10 Aug 2020 12:28 pm

PNGMK wrote:
Sun, 09 Aug 2020 5:51 pm
Integrate into local society as best you can and have some children and be in jobs that won't disappear. Not much else can be done. I don't know how ICA measure integration but there are some examples around in press where the ST praise foreigners for integrating. Read up on those.
Hello and thank for your reply.
Could you please give me a few ST links you're referring to? I googled and what I found so far was about community work, local associations, volunteering.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by PartyLike-A-Russian » Mon, 10 Aug 2020 12:30 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Sun, 09 Aug 2020 2:19 pm
What is investment into the country then? Creating wealth for the Country. Not wealth for shareholders. Creating business opportunities to employ Singaporeans, etc.
Thanks. I was surprised when I read that an EP holder could start a business in SG.
Now I need ideas :D

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by the observer » Mon, 10 Aug 2020 12:53 pm

PartyLike-A-Russian wrote:
Mon, 10 Aug 2020 12:30 pm
sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Sun, 09 Aug 2020 2:19 pm
What is investment into the country then? Creating wealth for the Country. Not wealth for shareholders. Creating business opportunities to employ Singaporeans, etc.
Thanks. I was surprised when I read that an EP holder could start a business in SG.
Now I need ideas :D
Lol. You start out with noble intentions of hiring citizens.
But once you deviate and start hiring foreigners due to a multitude of factors, you're likely to make your case worse off, isn't it?

So. thread with caution.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by PartyLike-A-Russian » Mon, 10 Aug 2020 1:40 pm

AfterLife wrote:
Mon, 10 Aug 2020 12:38 pm
I'd also advise not to try circumvent ICA rules and open dummy company or something like that.
Did I say I would open a dummy company?
If I open a company, it will be something this country and people need, OK?
I'm not the kind of person who would deceive people or a gov agency.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by PartyLike-A-Russian » Mon, 10 Aug 2020 1:47 pm

AfterLife wrote:
Mon, 10 Aug 2020 12:38 pm
Your education/position is nothing of advantage here, same goes for your spouse.
What can I do to improve this?
Master's in SG?

What if my wife goes back to school and earns a Master's here?
Will it improve our chances?

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 10 Aug 2020 1:55 pm

Doubtful unless she is a rocket scientist or brain surgeon.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Mon, 10 Aug 2020 2:14 pm

PartyLike-A-Russian wrote:
Mon, 10 Aug 2020 1:47 pm
AfterLife wrote:
Mon, 10 Aug 2020 12:38 pm
Your education/position is nothing of advantage here, same goes for your spouse.
What can I do to improve this?
Master's in SG?

What if my wife goes back to school and earns a Master's here?
Will it improve our chances?
Do Master's to get PR?

Not trying to be demotivate you or saying something negative, what if she does master's hoping that it will improve your PR application chance and if it really didnt help?

Also, if you are the main applicant atleast 80% of the assessment is based on you and not your spouse?

I would recommend not even to think about applying for atleast 5 years.

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PR approval chance in 2020

Post by jamie9vardy » Mon, 10 Aug 2020 2:18 pm

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ ... r-eurasian

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Old data from 10 years ago. Not sure much the composition has changed.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by PartyLike-A-Russian » Mon, 10 Aug 2020 3:48 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Sun, 09 Aug 2020 3:34 pm
Contributions to charities is been abused so often for so long that it's a joke any more. Those from the subcontinent abused this one beyond belief and as soon as they get PR the charity doesn't ever see them again.
I've read such opinion about charities a lot. Many folks here think so. Is there any more or less official information about abuse of charities? If it's only an opinion, well, everyone has a right to have an opinion.

The same pattern can apply to integration efforts or creating jobs for the locals. One can do a lot to integrate and disappear from whatever they were involved in after getting PR. What's the point in integration efforts then?
sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Sun, 09 Aug 2020 3:34 pm
waste of time
There are sincere people in this world who wouldn't donate or volunteer to benefit from the Gov later on. I know those who keep supporting charities in their home countries while working in SG.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 10 Aug 2020 4:43 pm

You are perfectly welcome to your own opinions. Ours are opinions as well because you cannot get this kind of data from the government, but at least ours is based of heaps of anecdotal evidence. You came here with your hat in your hand. Like so many others in the past, you didn't get the preconceived answer you had in your own mind and have gotten aggro subsequently. Good Luck in your application.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by PartyLike-A-Russian » Mon, 10 Aug 2020 5:30 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Mon, 10 Aug 2020 4:43 pm
have gotten aggro subsequently.
Sir, I am sorry if anything I said hurt you or anyone else. I didn't mean to.
sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Mon, 10 Aug 2020 4:43 pm
Good Luck in your application.
Thank you.

I'm just trying to understand what my wife and I can do to settle down somewhere. No country in this world would accept you just because you love it and want to be there. One has to deal with points-based systems, requirements, silly quotas, etc. But what can we do? We can only look for ways to overcome obstacles on our way.

I hope there will be something for us eventually. Best of luck to you too :)

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by Number13000 » Mon, 10 Aug 2020 5:57 pm

Greetings all,

Thank you for your diligent contributions to this thread. It has greatly helped me along in my own application which I have been considering for some time.

I was hoping to get some opinions on my chances, given that I applied in Feb 2020 and have just passed the 6 month mark.

Myself-
Race: Eurasian/Caucasian (my mother is Eurasian and father is Maori-Caucasian, with my Mother being a Eurasian from India kind. Their passports are UK and New Zealand. Of course, none of this complex ethnic data is really shown in the application...)
Nationality: Applied with my New Zealand passport as that's my tied to my FIN.
Age: 24 Years
Duration in Singapore: Arrived at 15 years old and have been resident until now (9 years straight)
Schooling: International School (no places in local school in 2011 alr...)
Tertiary: Went straight to local University (NUS/Yale-NUS) and did Pol Sci.
Occupation: Working in local media currently. Industry isn't thriving or suffering this year. On EP. Applied with 6 x months of pay slips in hand
Income: 48K p.a. - higher end for first jobs in my industry but definitely not the best.
Tax: 1 x Tax Cycle elapsed during my application
Other: Single, near-fluent in Malay and Mandarin - ICA won't know this but it's reflected on my transcript. Completed the max uni level for these languages. Have done volunteer Malay translation for Habitat for Humanity and included this.

Parents retired in 2016 and went to live in New Zealand, been on my own since then. Worked a lot of odd jobs on Student Pass.

About to go for a Master's at RSIS (2021) if I get PR since it considerably lowers the fees/associated costs and I plan to make Singapore my forever home. Haven't really lived anywhere else and am a little too adjusted here to move elsewhere. All my friends are here too.

If I don't get PR, probably won't apply again (heartbreak, lol). Will consider moving on...

Thanks in advance for your attention!
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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Mon, 10 Aug 2020 7:31 pm

Number13000 wrote:
Mon, 10 Aug 2020 5:57 pm
Greetings all,

Thank you for your diligent contributions to this thread. It has greatly helped me along in my own application which I have been considering for some time.

I was hoping to get some opinions on my chances, given that I applied in Feb 2020 and have just passed the 6 month mark.

Myself-
Race: Eurasian/Caucasian (my mother is Eurasian and father is Maori-Caucasian, with my Mother being a bona fide Eurasian from Malacca kind. Their passports are UK and New Zealand. Of course, none of this complex ethnic data is really shown in the application...)
Nationality: Applied with my New Zealand passport as that's my tied to my FIN.
Age: 24 Years
Duration in Singapore: Arrived at 15 years old and have been resident until now (9 years straight)
Schooling: International School (no places in local school in 2011 alr...)
Tertiary: Went straight to local University (NUS/Yale-NUS) and did Pol Sci.
Occupation: Working in local media currently. Industry isn't thriving or suffering this year. On EP. Applied with 6 x months of pay slips in hand
Income: 48K p.a. - higher end for first jobs in my industry but definitely not the best.
Tax: 1 x Tax Cycle elapsed during my application
Other: Single, near-fluent in Malay and Mandarin - ICA won't know this but it's reflected on my transcript. Completed the max uni level for these languages. Have done volunteer Malay translation for Habitat for Humanity and included this.

Parents retired in 2016 and went to live in New Zealand, been on my own since then. Worked a lot of odd jobs on Student Pass.

About to go for a Master's at RSIS (2021) if I get PR since it considerably lowers the fees/associated costs and I plan to make Singapore my forever home. Haven't really lived anywhere else and am a little too adjusted here to move elsewhere. All my friends are here too.

If I don't get PR, probably won't apply again (heartbreak, lol). Will consider moving on...

Thanks in advance for your attention!
50-50. Go ahead and apply. If rejected, apply after 2 - 3 years of tax NOA

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