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PR approval chance in 2020

Post by jamie9vardy » Sun, 12 Jul 2020 10:27 am

Helptips wrote:Hi All,

I applied PR in Dec 2019 and received a rejection today. Request your kind advise on profile improvement tips. Should I try an appeal?

Profile as per below.

ME:
Age : 35
Race : Indian
Marital Status : Married
Education : Bachelors degree India
Job : Business Analyst in Banking Industry
Length of stay in SG: 6 Years
Salary :130k
Pass : EP

Wife:
Age : 30
Race : Indian
Marital Status : Married
Education : Bachelors degree India
Job : Test Analyst in Banking Industry
Length of stay in SG: 4 years
Salary :30k
Pass : DP

kid:
Boy: Studying in PAP Sparkle Tots
What significant changes to your profile from Dec’19 that will warrant the ICA a second look at your application? If there’s none, there’s nothing to appeal. You’re just going to put in the same info, save for your length of stay is now 6 months longer.

Scroll up and read this thread again. You may want to read the mainstream news to find out about what the opposition parties put forward in their manifesto, their speeches during the hustings and the elections results, if you haven’t already done so.

Also read PNGMK’s thread about PAP vs WP. I think you should worry more about keeping your EP than appealing for your PR rejection.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by PNGMK » Sun, 12 Jul 2020 11:12 am

daxiuyi85 wrote:
Sat, 11 Jul 2020 11:07 pm
Hi everyone,

Appreciate any comments or realistic thoughts on my chances, especially in the current environment. We feel ready to apply for PR now (we would have applied back in 2014 but we decided to move to Korea instead) as we want to give our daughter a bit of stability (she's lived here since she was 1yo).

Nationality/Race: Australian/Caucasian
Age: 35
Status: EP Holder (3 yrs). Previously EP Holder 2013/14.
Industry: Insurance. Working 12-15 years.
Education: 2 Bachelor's degrees from Australia (Actuarial Studies and Maths/Stats).
Salary: 230-250k pa base.
Dependents: Wife (South Korean, DP. Has an undergrad degree and worked in SG last time we were here, but not this time) and 4yo daughter (attending local kindergarten).
Other: We're both decent Mandarin speakers.

Looking at it objectively, I can see several positives to such an application, but also some offsetting bits. Would be keen to hear your thoughts on whether they offset (especially at the moment) that it's worth applying.

EDIT: While this appears to be my 1st time post, I did have a prior account that went inactive around 2014 (can't recover the email address so can't reset password etc), so have been lurking and occasionally posting for some time...
Not likely. Also your jobs look ripe to be given to locals to me.
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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by PNGMK » Sun, 12 Jul 2020 11:14 am

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Let’s see if we will go back to the aftermath of the ‘watershed’ 2011 general elections.

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Good post and good reminder. I expect a serious drop in approvals.
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You want an International School job? School website or http://www.ISS.edu
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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Sun, 12 Jul 2020 11:23 am

daxiuyi85 wrote:
Sat, 11 Jul 2020 11:07 pm
Hi everyone,

Appreciate any comments or realistic thoughts on my chances, especially in the current environment. We feel ready to apply for PR now (we would have applied back in 2014 but we decided to move to Korea instead) as we want to give our daughter a bit of stability (she's lived here since she was 1yo).

Nationality/Race: Australian/Caucasian
Age: 35
Status: EP Holder (3 yrs). Previously EP Holder 2013/14.
Industry: Insurance. Working 12-15 years.
Education: 2 Bachelor's degrees from Australia (Actuarial Studies and Maths/Stats).
Salary: 230-250k pa base.
Dependents: Wife (South Korean, DP. Has an undergrad degree and worked in SG last time we were here, but not this time) and 4yo daughter (attending local kindergarten).
Other: We're both decent Mandarin speakers.

Looking at it objectively, I can see several positives to such an application, but also some offsetting bits. Would be keen to hear your thoughts on whether they offset (especially at the moment) that it's worth applying.

EDIT: While this appears to be my 1st time post, I did have a prior account that went inactive around 2014 (can't recover the email address so can't reset password etc), so have been lurking and occasionally posting for some time...
Not going to be easy. That too you have breaks in your work in SG

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by daxiuyi85 » Sun, 12 Jul 2020 6:06 pm

PNGMK wrote:
Sun, 12 Jul 2020 11:12 am
daxiuyi85 wrote:
Sat, 11 Jul 2020 11:07 pm
Nationality/Race: Australian/Caucasian
Age: 35
Status: EP Holder (3 yrs). Previously EP Holder 2013/14.
Industry: Insurance. Working 12-15 years.
Education: 2 Bachelor's degrees from Australia (Actuarial Studies and Maths/Stats).
Salary: 230-250k pa base.
Dependents: Wife (South Korean, DP. Has an undergrad degree and worked in SG last time we were here, but not this time) and 4yo daughter (attending local kindergarten).
Other: We're both decent Mandarin speakers.
Not likely. Also your jobs look ripe to be given to locals to me.
I've probably sold myself short a little here. I'm a qualified actuary (Australia and US), and my current role is a senior actuary for a multinational insurance company (regional HQ here). Given there is a shortage of local actuaries (the unis here have only been offering Actuarial Science degrees in the past 10 years, plus professional exams still have to be taken in the US/UK/Australia), while the local profession is growing I find your comment unlikely in the short to medium term.

Not sure if this would change your assessment, but would welcome your thoughts. What would be the issues holding the application back in your view? I was thinking lack of local ties being the largest one (although I believe I can get some strong testimonials from citizens about our ability to integrate and build local ties here), but also potentially race (not a negative, but not a positive either).
singaporeflyer wrote:
Sun, 12 Jul 2020 11:23 am
Not going to be easy. That too you've got breaks in your time in Singapore
Well, one break. Would it make sense to wait until we had 4 years unbroken in SG (say) so that it was still a decent period even not counting the earlier one (we had to end it early unexpectedly).

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Sun, 12 Jul 2020 6:21 pm

daxiuyi85 wrote:
Sun, 12 Jul 2020 6:06 pm
PNGMK wrote:
Sun, 12 Jul 2020 11:12 am
daxiuyi85 wrote:
Sat, 11 Jul 2020 11:07 pm
Nationality/Race: Australian/Caucasian
Age: 35
Status: EP Holder (3 yrs). Previously EP Holder 2013/14.
Industry: Insurance. Working 12-15 years.
Education: 2 Bachelor's degrees from Australia (Actuarial Studies and Maths/Stats).
Salary: 230-250k pa base.
Dependents: Wife (South Korean, DP. Has an undergrad degree and worked in SG last time we were here, but not this time) and 4yo daughter (attending local kindergarten).
Other: We're both decent Mandarin speakers.
Not likely. Also your jobs look ripe to be given to locals to me.
I've probably sold myself short a little here. I'm a qualified actuary (Australia and US), and my current role is a senior actuary for a multinational insurance company (regional HQ here). Given there is a shortage of local actuaries (the unis here have only been offering Actuarial Science degrees in the past 10 years, plus professional exams still have to be taken in the US/UK/Australia), while the local profession is growing I find your comment unlikely in the short to medium term.

Not sure if this would change your assessment, but would welcome your thoughts. What would be the issues holding the application back in your view? I was thinking lack of local ties being the largest one (although I believe I can get some strong testimonials from citizens about our ability to integrate and build local ties here), but also potentially race (not a negative, but not a positive either).
singaporeflyer wrote:
Sun, 12 Jul 2020 11:23 am
Not going to be easy. That too you've got breaks in your time in Singapore
Well, one break. Would it make sense to wait until we had 4 years unbroken in SG (say) so that it was still a decent period even not counting the earlier one (we had to end it early unexpectedly).
Kindly also look into how many PR's get granted for the 'Others' category every year and then you will know why I said chance is the very less.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by PNGMK » Sun, 12 Jul 2020 9:12 pm

singaporeflyer wrote:
Sun, 12 Jul 2020 6:21 pm
daxiuyi85 wrote:
Sun, 12 Jul 2020 6:06 pm
PNGMK wrote:
Sun, 12 Jul 2020 11:12 am


Not likely. Also your jobs look ripe to be given to locals to me.
I've probably sold myself short a little here. I'm a qualified actuary (Australia and US), and my current role is a senior actuary for a multinational insurance company (regional HQ here). Given there is a shortage of local actuaries (the unis here have only been offering Actuarial Science degrees in the past 10 years, plus professional exams still have to be taken in the US/UK/Australia), while the local profession is growing I find your comment unlikely in the short to medium term.

Not sure if this would change your assessment, but would welcome your thoughts. What would be the issues holding the application back in your view? I was thinking lack of local ties being the largest one (although I believe I can get some strong testimonials from citizens about our ability to integrate and build local ties here), but also potentially race (not a negative, but not a positive either).
singaporeflyer wrote:
Sun, 12 Jul 2020 11:23 am
Not going to be easy. That too you've got breaks in your time in Singapore
Well, one break. Would it make sense to wait until we had 4 years unbroken in SG (say) so that it was still a decent period even not counting the earlier one (we had to end it early unexpectedly).
Kindly also look into how many PR's get granted for the 'Others' category every year and then you will know why I said chance is the very less.
As an actuary you should be able to do the math. There are 30,000 PR granted per year. The basis of PR is to rebalance population race ratios (coz Chinese don't breed as much as Indian and Malay) and add to population. "Others" is where caucasians get put and they are ~2 or 3% of the pop'n. As they are generally ok at TFR they don't need race ratio rebalancing so the only chance of approval is in the general migration growth path which means at the very best you might see 2% of 30,000 PR's go to "others" (you won't see higher than a few % guaranteed).. Of those most will go to high pot candidates who can bring existing ties (family tie scheme), cannon fodder (boys) or strong community connections or possibly a missing skill set (PTS scheme) or investor scheme (>$5MM??). Age is critical (must be able to breed or bring kids in) and a lot of the stuff people mention (condo, cash blah blah) misses the point. As an Aussie you are familiar I think with the point scheme for Aus Immi. This is a point scheme where we don't know how we are graded (except in broad brush strokes).
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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by Jianan9275 » Wed, 15 Jul 2020 8:45 am

Hi all, I would appreciate any feedback on my application:

I applied for a first time back in January 2019 and got rejected after six months with no invitation to apply again.

Nationality/Race: French/ Chinese (Chinese parents, born in France).
Age: 28
Status: EP Holder (1year+ with current company).
Total length of stay and working in SG: 5.5 years

Master's degree in business and finance from Paris, France. Now working in consulting/sales for digital advertising.

I speak intermediary Mandarin and Spanish, I am fluent in French & English.

Salary: 88k pa base salary
Dependent: none, single. [/list]
Few concerns about my application:
Due to the current economic situtation, my company had a 20% wide paycut since May and it will last until July included). This is of course reflected on my two previous payslips.

During my short career, I changed jobs a few times (from sales in IT/finance to digital marketing/advertising).

Thanks & Regards!

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by TropicalExpat » Wed, 15 Jul 2020 9:07 am

Jianan9275 wrote:
Wed, 15 Jul 2020 8:45 am
Hi all, I would appreciate any feedback on my application:

I applied for a first time back in January 2019 and got rejected after six months with no invitation to apply again.

Nationality/Race: French/ Chinese (Chinese parents, born in France).
Age: 28
Status: EP Holder (1year+ with current company).
Total length of stay and working in SG: 5.5 years

Master's degree in business and finance from Paris, France. Now working in consulting/sales for digital advertising.

I speak intermediary Mandarin and Spanish, I am fluent in French & English.

Salary: 88k pa base salary
Dependent: none, single. [/list]
Few concerns about my application:
Due to the current economic situtation, my company had a 20% wide paycut since May and it will last until July included). This is of course reflected on my two previous payslips.

During my short career, I changed jobs a few times (from sales in IT/finance to digital marketing/advertising).

Thanks & Regards!
I think your salary seems a bit on the lower side - most people say $7k, but I like to use 10k as a sturdy reference point.
How many years have you been paying taxes? You say you have been in Singapore 5.5 years, it's not clear if you've been working (and paying taxes) all the time then. There is a suggestion here that at least 2 if not 3 years of tax records is important.

The current economic situation is not as significant as the current political situation - the drubbing the PAP got in the popular vote suggests they are going to clamp down harder on the foreign work force.

In any case, there is no harm in applying and seeing what happens

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by Jianan9275 » Wed, 15 Jul 2020 9:18 am

TropicalExpat wrote:
Wed, 15 Jul 2020 9:07 am
Jianan9275 wrote:
Wed, 15 Jul 2020 8:45 am
Hi all, I would appreciate any feedback on my application:

I applied for a first time back in January 2019 and got rejected after six months with no invitation to apply again.

Nationality/Race: French/ Chinese (Chinese parents, born in France).
Age: 28
Status: EP Holder (1year+ with current company).
Total length of stay and working in SG: 5.5 years

Master's degree in business and finance from Paris, France. Now working in consulting/sales for digital advertising.

I speak intermediary Mandarin and Spanish, I am fluent in French & English.

Salary: 88k pa base salary
Dependent: none, single. [/list]
Few concerns about my application:
Due to the current economic situtation, my company had a 20% wide paycut since May and it will last until July included). This is of course reflected on my two previous payslips.

During my short career, I changed jobs a few times (from sales in IT/finance to digital marketing/advertising).

Thanks & Regards!
I think your salary seems a bit on the lower side - most people say $7k, but I like to use 10k as a sturdy reference point.
How many years have you been paying taxes? You say you have been in Singapore 5.5 years, it's not clear if you've been working (and paying taxes) all the time then. There is a suggestion here that at least 2 if not 3 years of tax records is important.

The current economic situation is not as significant as the current political situation - the drubbing the PAP got in the popular vote suggests they are going to clamp down harder on the foreign work force.

In any case, there is no harm in applying and seeing what happens
Thanks for the prompt reply. Good points. This is only my second year that I paid taxes. During my first 2+ years I was under a special working arrangement between FR and SG Gov where I would not pay taxes in either countries (VIE program) as I was officially voluntereeing for the French government to help French companies expand in SG. I also took a six months gap in between.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by hitheregoodpeople » Wed, 15 Jul 2020 12:26 pm

Hi Everyone,

New to this forum. Wanted to know your thoughts on our PR approval chances.

Current Application: Submitted in Jan 2020
Previous attempts: 2 unsuccessful attempts in 2016, 2018
Application type: Family. Applied with my wife and daughter (2 months at the time of application)

Primary Applicants profile
Nationality: Indian
Race: Indian
Gender: M
Age: 34
Current Pass: E Pass
Education: MBA (India's top 3 B Schools) + Engineering Degree
Sector: Retail / Distribution
Specialization: Ecommerce, Omnichannel
Designation: Director
Company type: Local Singapore Company
Duration in SG: 5 years 8 months (since 2014) + Additional 20 months in 2008-10
NOA submitted: 7

Spouses profile
Nationality: Indian
Race: Indian
Gender: F
Age: 31
Current Pass: E Pass
Education: MBA (India's top 3 B Schools) + Engineering Degree
Sector: Travel
Specialization: Program Management
Designation: Program Manager
Company type: MNC
Duration in SG: 5 years 5 months (since 2015)
NOA submitted: 5

Our current application was submitted after the birth of our daughter who was born here in Singapore in 2019. Both of us had changed jobs since the application in 2018 (only change for both) with higher salaries.

Your views are highly appreciated.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Wed, 15 Jul 2020 1:19 pm

hitheregoodpeople wrote:
Wed, 15 Jul 2020 12:26 pm
Hi Everyone,

New to this forum. Wanted to know your thoughts on our PR approval chances.

Current Application: Submitted in Jan 2020
Previous attempts: 2 unsuccessful attempts in 2016, 2018
Application type: Family. Applied with my wife and daughter (2 months at the time of application)

Primary Applicants profile
Nationality: Indian
Race: Indian
Gender: M
Age: 34
Current Pass: E Pass
Education: MBA (India's top 3 B Schools) + Engineering Degree
Sector: Retail / Distribution
Specialization: Ecommerce, Omnichannel
Designation: Director
Company type: Local Singapore Company
Duration in SG: 5 years 8 months (since 2014) + Additional 20 months in 2008-10
NOA submitted: 7

Spouses profile
Nationality: Indian
Race: Indian
Gender: F
Age: 31
Current Pass: E Pass
Education: MBA (India's top 3 B Schools) + Engineering Degree
Sector: Travel
Specialization: Program Management
Designation: Program Manager
Company type: MNC
Duration in SG: 5 years 5 months (since 2015)
NOA submitted: 5

Our current application was submitted after the birth of our daughter who was born here in Singapore in 2019. Both of us had changed jobs since the application in 2018 (only change for both) with higher salaries.

Your views are highly appreciated.
20% chance. Dont have high hopes.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by PNGMK » Wed, 15 Jul 2020 1:41 pm

singaporeflyer wrote:
Wed, 15 Jul 2020 1:19 pm
hitheregoodpeople wrote:
Wed, 15 Jul 2020 12:26 pm
Hi Everyone,

New to this forum. Wanted to know your thoughts on our PR approval chances.

Current Application: Submitted in Jan 2020
Previous attempts: 2 unsuccessful attempts in 2016, 2018
Application type: Family. Applied with my wife and daughter (2 months at the time of application)

Primary Applicants profile
Nationality: Indian
Race: Indian
Gender: M
Age: 34
Current Pass: E Pass
Education: MBA (India's top 3 B Schools) + Engineering Degree
Sector: Retail / Distribution
Specialization: Ecommerce, Omnichannel
Designation: Director
Company type: Local Singapore Company
Duration in SG: 5 years 8 months (since 2014) + Additional 20 months in 2008-10
NOA submitted: 7

Spouses profile
Nationality: Indian
Race: Indian
Gender: F
Age: 31
Current Pass: E Pass
Education: MBA (India's top 3 B Schools) + Engineering Degree
Sector: Travel
Specialization: Program Management
Designation: Program Manager
Company type: MNC
Duration in SG: 5 years 5 months (since 2015)
NOA submitted: 5

Our current application was submitted after the birth of our daughter who was born here in Singapore in 2019. Both of us had changed jobs since the application in 2018 (only change for both) with higher salaries.

Your views are highly appreciated.
20% chance. Dont have high hopes.
NO even less. Probably effectively zero at present.
I not lawyer/teacher/CPA.
You've been arrested? Law Society of Singapore can provide referrals.
You want an International School job? School website or http://www.ISS.edu
Your rugrat needs a School? Avoid for profit schools
You need Tax advice? Ask a CPA
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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by TropicalExpat » Thu, 16 Jul 2020 12:44 pm

hitheregoodpeople wrote:
Wed, 15 Jul 2020 12:26 pm
Hi Everyone,

New to this forum. Wanted to know your thoughts on our PR approval chances.

Current Application: Submitted in Jan 2020
Previous attempts: 2 unsuccessful attempts in 2016, 2018
Application type: Family. Applied with my wife and daughter (2 months at the time of application)

Primary Applicants profile
Nationality: Indian
Race: Indian
Gender: M
Age: 34
Current Pass: E Pass
Education: MBA (India's top 3 B Schools) + Engineering Degree
Sector: Retail / Distribution
Specialization: Ecommerce, Omnichannel
Designation: Director
Company type: Local Singapore Company
Duration in SG: 5 years 8 months (since 2014) + Additional 20 months in 2008-10
NOA submitted: 7

Spouses profile
Nationality: Indian
Race: Indian
Gender: F
Age: 31
Current Pass: E Pass
Education: MBA (India's top 3 B Schools) + Engineering Degree
Sector: Travel
Specialization: Program Management
Designation: Program Manager
Company type: MNC
Duration in SG: 5 years 5 months (since 2015)
NOA submitted: 5

Our current application was submitted after the birth of our daughter who was born here in Singapore in 2019. Both of us had changed jobs since the application in 2018 (only change for both) with higher salaries.

Your views are highly appreciated.
Your salaries are important - how much are each of you earning?

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by max guo » Fri, 17 Jul 2020 12:16 am

Hi all, PR application was done in July this year, hope we can get the approval this time. :D

help review my profile:
Main applicant:
Age : 32
Race : Chinese
Marital Status : Married in 2013
Education : NTU Master degree in Mechanical engineer, Bachelors degree china
Job : Project Manager in building construction
Length of stay in SG: 9 Years
Salary :basic 7300, last year annual income 150k, this year estimated Annual income: 120k+
Pass : EP

Wife:
Age : 33
Race : Chinese
Marital Status : Married in 2013
Education : Master degree and Bachelors degree in Australia
Job : account director in cyber security company
Length of stay in SG: 9 years
Salary :basic 10k, OTE 200K
Pass : DP
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