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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by srk03 » Thu, 09 Jul 2020 11:11 am

PNGMK wrote:
Thu, 09 Jul 2020 8:50 am
yes your math is correct IMO - it's a single digit % of the total approvals and probably lower than 6% I suspect, (much worse for "others'). So you're looking at ~1,500 India applicants approved and of those a significant chunk are reserved for rocket scientists and complete families with cannon fodder (male children) and hi-pot candidates from 2019 and "invited" applicants and investor applicants (they all take up the same bucket WRT race).. It's probably not 100,000 Indian applicants per year but 30,000 is not impossible to imagine so 5% on a probability basis without accounting for the various weighting factors BUT.... we know there are repeated application failures so something is pulling the numbers down... what it is I don't know but I would still contend you're at a chance of less than 1% in current climate. Also I don't think the approval rate is consistent through the months. I used to think it's a moving or sliding window but I now think it's more like a batch or gated process where after some statistical analysis (probably birth/death and arrival rates with some political input) every few months some high up says "OK - you can let in 100 Indians, 10 others and as many pre approved Chinese as you can find" and some gofer runs out and posts off approval letters to the top India applicants 100 in the pile. The trick is to get towards the top of that pile and ICA make it very hard to work out the factors for that... (to avoid people gaming the system).
I agree that ICA has some maths to put applications in preferential order and they only stick with the top. few obvious ones would be, age (around 30s), Niche skills, better salary (200k++), at least one kid (male preferred), local uni (grad or post-grad), and a long stay in sg(5 years+). Hardly any application would tick on all these points at once, hence always the chances are lower.
P.S. Malay Chinese are not part of this category of application. they get approved fast (most application around 26/27) mostly to balance the aging Chinese population in Singapore.
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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Thu, 09 Jul 2020 11:14 am

srk03 wrote:
Thu, 09 Jul 2020 11:11 am
PNGMK wrote:
Thu, 09 Jul 2020 8:50 am
yes your math is correct IMO - it's a single digit % of the total approvals and probably lower than 6% I suspect, (much worse for "others'). So you're looking at ~1,500 India applicants approved and of those a significant chunk are reserved for rocket scientists and complete families with cannon fodder (male children) and hi-pot candidates from 2019 and "invited" applicants and investor applicants (they all take up the same bucket WRT race).. It's probably not 100,000 Indian applicants per year but 30,000 is not impossible to imagine so 5% on a probability basis without accounting for the various weighting factors BUT.... we know there are repeated application failures so something is pulling the numbers down... what it is I don't know but I would still contend you're at a chance of less than 1% in current climate. Also I don't think the approval rate is consistent through the months. I used to think it's a moving or sliding window but I now think it's more like a batch or gated process where after some statistical analysis (probably birth/death and arrival rates with some political input) every few months some high up says "OK - you can let in 100 Indians, 10 others and as many pre approved Chinese as you can find" and some gofer runs out and posts off approval letters to the top India applicants 100 in the pile. The trick is to get towards the top of that pile and ICA make it very hard to work out the factors for that... (to avoid people gaming the system).
I agree that ICA has some maths to put applications in preferential order and they only stick with the top. few obvious ones would be, age (around 30s), Niche skills, better salary (200k++), at least one kid (male preferred), local uni (grad or post-grad), and a long stay in sg(5 years+). Hardly any application would tick on all these points at once, hence always the chances are lower.
Decent salary is enough. It does not mean one should earn 200K+ and I they may look at if you are applying as a family and if you have lived here as a family for long enough and so it wont have things like atleast one kid, etc in the criteria

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by Dlsm1991 » Fri, 10 Jul 2020 11:35 pm

Hi,

If anyone can help if i have chance to apply for PR:

Nationality: Indonesian
Gender: Female
Age : 29
Education : Law degree from Indonesian University
Last position held : Sr Recruiter
Annual salary: $46K
Working and living in SG for 2 years
Married to Singaporean
Just gave birth to a singaporean baby March 2020

Thanks in advance!

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Sat, 11 Jul 2020 12:54 am

Dlsm1991 wrote:
Fri, 10 Jul 2020 11:35 pm
Hi,

If anyone can help if i have chance to apply for PR:

Nationality: Indonesian
Gender: Female
Age : 29
Education : Law degree from Indonesian University
Last position held : Sr Recruiter
Annual salary: $46K
Working and living in SG for 2 years
Married to Singaporean
Just gave birth to a singaporean baby March 2020

Thanks in advance!
What is your spouse salary? How long are you married?

Once after 2 years of marriage and if sponsored by SC, it should be OK

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by Dlsm1991 » Sat, 11 Jul 2020 4:46 am

singaporeflyer wrote:
Sat, 11 Jul 2020 12:54 am
Dlsm1991 wrote:
Fri, 10 Jul 2020 11:35 pm
Hi,

If anyone can help if i have chance to apply for PR:

Nationality: Indonesian
Gender: Female
Age : 29
Education : Law degree from Indonesian University
Last position held : Sr Recruiter
Annual salary: $46K
Working and living in SG for 2 years
Married to Singaporean
Just gave birth to a singaporean baby March 2020

Thanks in advance!
What is your spouse salary? How long are you married?

Once after 2 years of marriage and if sponsored by SC, it should be OK
Additional info:
Husband's occulation: NUS employee with monthly salary of $4.1K
Been married for 2.5 years
We own resale HDB for 2 years
Unfortunately I just got retrenched this month but employer is willing to produce employment history letter, I was promoted to supervisor level and got a salary raise once

Thank you!!

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Sat, 11 Jul 2020 10:17 am

Dlsm1991 wrote:
Sat, 11 Jul 2020 4:46 am
singaporeflyer wrote:
Sat, 11 Jul 2020 12:54 am
Dlsm1991 wrote:
Fri, 10 Jul 2020 11:35 pm
Hi,

If anyone can help if i have chance to apply for PR:

Nationality: Indonesian
Gender: Female
Age : 29
Education : Law degree from Indonesian University
Last position held : Sr Recruiter
Annual salary: $46K
Working and living in SG for 2 years
Married to Singaporean
Just gave birth to a singaporean baby March 2020

Thanks in advance!
What is your spouse salary? How long are you married?

Once after 2 years of marriage and if sponsored by SC, it should be OK
Additional info:
Husband's occulation: NUS employee with monthly salary of $4.1K
Been married for 2.5 years
We own resale HDB for 2 years
Unfortunately I just got retrenched this month but employer is willing to produce employment history letter, I was promoted to supervisor level and got a salary raise once

Thank you!!
It should be Ok and you may be able to get it.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by PNGMK » Sat, 11 Jul 2020 11:12 am

All you prospective SC and PR applicants need to take a deep breath and wait. ICA will be waiting for new direction from the ministry/ies who are a little nervous about the GE2020 results which put the anti migration party WP as the largest block ever to oppose the PAP.
I not lawyer/teacher/CPA.
You've been arrested? Law Society of Singapore can provide referrals.
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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by jamie9vardy » Sat, 11 Jul 2020 11:29 am

Let’s see if we will go back to the aftermath of the ‘watershed’ 2011 general elections.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by Legofan » Sat, 11 Jul 2020 10:12 pm

Hi,

Appreviate if you can assess my chance.
Malaysian Chinese
Age: 52
EP Holder
Operations Director
Master's qualification from Australia
Salary: 8.4k a month
13yo son and 12 yo daughter.
Wife not working.
EP holder for only 6 months.

Should i apply now since i met minimum time before i can apply or should i wait? If so wait til when? Or are my chances low?

Thanks for input

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PR approval chance in 2020

Post by jamie9vardy » Sat, 11 Jul 2020 10:19 pm

Legofan wrote:Hi,

Appreviate if you can assess my chance.
Malaysian Chinese
Age: 52
EP Holder
Operations Director
Master's qualification from Australia
Salary: 8.4k a month
13yo son and 12 yo daughter.
Wife not working.
EP holder for only 6 months.

Should i apply now since i met minimum time before i can apply or should i wait? If so wait til when? Or are my chances low?

Thanks for input
Don’t even bother applying. Sorry to be blunt.

Your chances are not great. The only positive is you’re a Malaysia Chinese. Where are your kids schooling?

- your age is well above mid-40s
- income level too low
- such a short length of stay
- lastly, refer to PNGMK’s post above

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by Legofan » Sat, 11 Jul 2020 10:35 pm

Tks. Its good to be blunt and realistic.
My kids and wife still in Malaysia. So kids still studying in International School there. My son is actually a Australian citizen.
So I guess my age is the main crutch?

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Sat, 11 Jul 2020 10:37 pm

Legofan wrote:
Sat, 11 Jul 2020 10:35 pm
Tks. Its good to be blunt and realistic.
My kids and wife still in Malaysia. So kids still studying in International School there. My son is actually a Australian citizen.
So I guess my age is the main crutch?
Age will be the main issue. Salary is OK. Also duration of stay in SG

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by jamie9vardy » Sat, 11 Jul 2020 10:51 pm

Legofan wrote:Tks. Its good to be blunt and realistic.
My kids and wife still in Malaysia. So kids still studying in International School there. My son is actually a Australian citizen.
So I guess my age is the main crutch?
Wife and kids being in Malaysia makes even more difficult. And you do know that if you don’t apply as a family, it’s almost destined for rejection.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by daxiuyi85 » Sat, 11 Jul 2020 11:07 pm

Hi everyone,

Appreciate any comments or realistic thoughts on my chances, especially in the current environment. We feel ready to apply for PR now (we would have applied back in 2014 but we decided to move to Korea instead) as we want to give our daughter a bit of stability (she's lived here since she was 1yo).

Nationality/Race: Australian/Caucasian
Age: 35
Status: EP Holder (3 yrs). Previously EP Holder 2013/14.
Industry: Insurance. Working 12-15 years.
Education: 2 Bachelor's degrees from Australia (Actuarial Studies and Maths/Stats).
Salary: 230-250k pa base.
Dependents: Wife (South Korean, DP. Has an undergrad degree and worked in SG last time we were here, but not this time) and 4yo daughter (attending local kindergarten).
Other: We're both decent Mandarin speakers.

Looking at it objectively, I can see several positives to such an application, but also some offsetting bits. Would be keen to hear your thoughts on whether they offset (especially at the moment) that it's worth applying.

EDIT: While this appears to be my 1st time post, I did have a prior account that went inactive around 2014 (can't recover the email address so can't reset password etc), so have been lurking and occasionally posting for some time...

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by Helptips » Sun, 12 Jul 2020 10:00 am

Hi All,

I applied PR in Dec 2019 and received a rejection today. Request your kind advise on profile improvement tips. Should I try an appeal?

Profile as per below.

ME:
Age : 35
Race : Indian
Marital Status : Married
Education : Bachelors degree India
Job : Business Analyst in Banking Industry
Length of stay in SG: 6 Years
Salary :130k
Pass : EP

Wife:
Age : 30
Race : Indian
Marital Status : Married
Education : Bachelors degree India
Job : Test Analyst in Banking Industry
Length of stay in SG: 4 years
Salary :30k
Pass : DP

kid:
Boy: Studying in PAP Sparkle Tots

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