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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Fri, 05 Feb 2021 4:58 pm

wakingmoon wrote:
Fri, 05 Feb 2021 4:48 pm
Hi Folks,

I'd grateful if someone can please evaluate my family's chances for PR approval:

- Duration in Singapore: 7 years (both me & spouse)
- 4 yr old girl, born in Singapore
- Nationality: Indian
- Both my wife and myself are engineering graduates
- Salaries: Myself: ~270k SGD | Wife: 90k SGD
- Active volunteer in SINDA
- Member of Mensa Singapore
- Monthly donations to recognised charity organisations

I've have been following posts on this forum, and would like to thank all the members for all the valuable information they have provided over the time.

Thanks!
What do both of you work as? Education? Industry?

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by wakingmoon » Fri, 05 Feb 2021 5:02 pm

Industry=Tech/Software-Engineering (both of us)
singaporeflyer wrote:
Fri, 05 Feb 2021 4:58 pm
wakingmoon wrote:
Fri, 05 Feb 2021 4:48 pm
Hi Folks,

I'd grateful if someone can please evaluate my family's chances for PR approval:

- Duration in Singapore: 7 years (both me & spouse)
- 4 yr old girl, born in Singapore
- Nationality: Indian
- Both my wife and myself are engineering graduates
- Salaries: Myself: ~270k SGD | Wife: 90k SGD
- Active volunteer in SINDA
- Member of Mensa Singapore
- Monthly donations to recognised charity organisations

I've have been following posts on this forum, and would like to thank all the members for all the valuable information they have provided over the time.

Thanks!
What do both of you work as? Education? Industry?

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by the observer » Fri, 05 Feb 2021 5:14 pm

wakingmoon wrote:
Fri, 05 Feb 2021 4:48 pm
Hi Folks,

I'd grateful if someone can please evaluate my family's chances for PR approval:

- Duration in Singapore: 7 years (both me & spouse)
- 4 yr old girl, born in Singapore
- Nationality: Indian
- Both my wife and myself are engineering graduates
- Salaries: Myself: ~270k SGD | Wife: 90k SGD
- Active volunteer in SINDA
- Member of Mensa Singapore
- Monthly donations to recognised charity organisations

I've have been following posts on this forum, and would like to thank all the members for all the valuable information they have provided over the time.

Thanks!
SINDA might be beneficial to your cause.
Mensa might not.

The problem with Singapore is this. Citizen population is 3.6 million, 8% are Indians. Let’s call it 300k for ease. Gahmen wants to maintain racial ratios, so it’s pretty much a done deal that the % stays.

The total number of PRs in sg, across all ethnicities are stable at 550k for the entire decade. I am certain that the allotment for Indians have all been filled up by now for PRs.

So based on the link below, there’s 650k people of Indian origin in sg, Citizens PRs and what not. Link might be outdated by now, and I think numbers should be more by now.

So the key takeaway is that the number of non citizen Indians outnumber Singaporean Indians.

The best analogy I can come up with is, the bus is full, you need to wait for someone to get off the bus before you can get on.

As for chances, Indians with local spouses are going to be in the front of the queue. Second in line are those whom they’d classify as integrated or has shown commitment.

Don’t get me wrong, salary is important but I think every Indian expat here already has a decent salary.

https://mea.gov.in/images/attach/NRIs-and-PIOs_1.pdf

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by wakingmoon » Fri, 05 Feb 2021 5:27 pm

Thanks for sharing your thoughts @observer

A couple of things I noticed a gap with your analogy though:
- The total Indian diaspora in Singapore is ~650k (this is overall, not just for the decade)
- the 650k includes = (a) 300k PIO (which I assume are citizens here) (b) 350k (rest)
- among the 350k, is a huge list actually:
* migrant workers
* domestic workers
* SP pass holders
* EP (2/3) pass holders
* Eventually EP-1, PEP pass holders
- I think it would be fair to say the distribution among the above list is expected to be Decreasingly-skewed I suppose.

Besides, I think your statement about bus being full violates Singapore-goverment's 10-year plan (2030) plan to achieve a population upwards of 7.5MM++ (or some similar figure).
Having said that, I do agree its an upstream battle for people with Indian-ethnicity since a large chunk of us have similar (and maybe strong) profiles.

What do you think?

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by the observer » Fri, 05 Feb 2021 5:46 pm

Wrote this in the past.
the observer wrote:
Fri, 30 Oct 2020 1:30 pm
My wild guess.

650k indians in singapore.
http://mea.gov.in/images/attach/NRIs-and-PIOs_1.pdf

440k indian residents. ie PR + Citizen.
https://data.gov.sg/dataset/resident-po ... 5e4107ae84

That makes 200k on all types of pass, ie EP, Spass, WP.

[Given that the dormitory workers number about 350k amongst chinese, indian and bangladesh etc nationals, I'd go with a notion that there would be 100k Indian work permit holders, could well be wrong].

Hence i'd put the number of Indian EP/Spass holders at 100k.
As for the white paper, it is population, not citizen population.

And Vivian back tracked on it in June just prior to elections. Who knows really.

“ Singapore's population will not go up to 6.9 million, let alone 10 million, said Foreign Minister Vivian Balakrishnan yesterday.”

https://www.straitstimes.com/politics/ ... tion-claim

Racial ratio as dictated by the PM. CMIO quotas are the greatest hurdle to any fresh PR applicant.

https://www.gov.sg/article/what-are-th ... e-citizens

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by the observer » Fri, 05 Feb 2021 5:51 pm

wakingmoon wrote:
Fri, 05 Feb 2021 5:27 pm
Thanks for sharing your thoughts @observer

A couple of things I noticed a gap with your analogy though:
- The total Indian diaspora in Singapore is ~650k (this is overall, not just for the decade)
- the 650k includes = (a) 300k PIO (which I assume are citizens here) (b) 350k (rest)
I didn’t mention Indian diaspora is for the decade. I said sg PR stock is constant at 550k

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So the uphill battle is the differentiation factor. If it’s salary, a lot more would have gotten theirs by now. They have limited cards to dish out and they don’t judge based on salary. So what do you think they judge on.

https://www.strategygroup.gov.sg/media ... ion-Policy

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by wakingmoon » Fri, 05 Feb 2021 6:08 pm

With all due respect, I disagree about the point that the "bus is full, with 550k PRs constant".
Clearly the number of citizens are streadily increasing at 30k/year, and coincidentally this is the exact same number of PRs that are dished out each year.

Its another argument that within this 30k/year, to maintain racial-quota, Indians are shelled out lets sat 8% of the available PRs each year, which comes to about 2400-ish?
So ideally we all are fighting to get into the top-2400(ish) applications reviewed each year (of course in a rolling fashion)

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by the observer » Fri, 05 Feb 2021 6:11 pm

wakingmoon wrote:
Fri, 05 Feb 2021 6:08 pm
With all due respect, I disagree about the point that the "bus is full, with 550k PRs constant".
Clearly the number of citizens are streadily increasing at 30k/year, and coincidentally this is the exact same number of PRs that are dished out each year.

Its another argument that within this 30k/year, to maintain racial-quota, Indians are shelled out lets sat 8% of the available PRs each year, which comes to about 2400-ish?
So ideally we all are fighting to get into the top-2400(ish) applications reviewed each year (of course in a rolling fashion)
In full.
https://forum.singaporeexpats.com/view ... 25#p834534

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by wakingmoon » Fri, 05 Feb 2021 6:16 pm

Nice!
But do u really think the chance is 4%.
I think you are assuming that all EP/PEP holders present in Singapore apply each year, which is technically not true.
More realistic probability might be 10-12% (other factors aside)

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by the observer » Fri, 05 Feb 2021 6:17 pm

wakingmoon wrote:
Fri, 05 Feb 2021 6:16 pm
Nice!
But do u really think the chance is 4%.
I think you are assuming that all EP/PEP holders present in Singapore apply each year, which is technically not true.
More realistic probability might be 10-12% (other factors aside)
Don’t have hard data, ica keeps it close to their chest. But quotas are somewhat known.

If you have walked into any citizenship ceremony like I have, the number of Indians in the hall are about 3 in 100. Just so happened to be on my day.

At the end of the day, it’s a probability game. When all the profiles are similar.

Key takeaway, between 5-15 percent depending on what you think the variables are.
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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by IsabelTan » Sat, 06 Feb 2021 12:28 am

Hi all,

I will like to contribute back to this forum and thank you the experienced forum people who patiently answered my questions as i waited for my husband PR to be approved.

I checked at 12.01am 6th feb and my husband PR is approved!! It is approved the minute it passed midnight. And it is exactly the 13th day since the drop down box for submitting document disappeared in the enquire application status page.

Submitted documents - 4th July 2020
(I was retrenched on the 3rd July 2020 ....)
Found a new job and first day of work - 3rd Aug 2020
Date of approval -3rd Feb 2021
Status changed to approved in ICA system - 6th feb 2021

I am the SC sponsor for my husband. And he is in SG for less than 1 year, we were married for less than 2 years when we applied too. I thought we won’t make it, especially I had a change in job (pay cut) in between..

Wish everyone best of luck in your application!!

^___^

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by manchous » Sat, 06 Feb 2021 3:42 pm

Hello all, good day to you :)!

Would appreciate if someone could evaluate my chance of PR application.

I applied in January 2020 (my first application) and did not receive any news from ICA until December 2020 which requested me to provide additional documents to prove that I am of Chinese descent. And there was no news since then.

I have a SC girlfriend and we plan to get married in Singapore next year. I plan to settle down in Singapore with her.

My profile below:

Age: 28
Gender: Male
Race: Myanmar Chinese
Nationality: Myanmar
Education: Bachelor degree from UK university, currently pursuing Masters in Computer Science from a top US university and would graduate next year 2022
Job: Working in one of the biggest Fin Tech companies with technical role
Length of stay in Singapore: About 4 years (almost 2 years with current company)
Salary: 70K, 80+K with bonus
Pass: EP
Languages: English, Myanmar, Chinese

I also would like to ask, if my application is rejected, would next year after I have graduated and married would be a good time to apply again?

Thank you so much!

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Sat, 06 Feb 2021 3:44 pm

manchous wrote:
Sat, 06 Feb 2021 3:42 pm
Hello all, good day to you :)!

Would appreciate if someone could evaluate my chance of PR application.

I applied in January 2020 (my first application) and did not receive any news from ICA until December 2020 which requested me to provide additional documents to prove that I am of Chinese descent. And there was no news since then.

I have a SC girlfriend and we plan to get married in Singapore next year. I plan to settle down in Singapore with her.

My profile below:

Age: 28
Gender: Male
Race: Myanmar Chinese
Nationality: Myanmar
Education: Bachelor degree from UK university, currently pursuing Masters in Computer Science from a top US university and would graduate next year 2022
Job: Working in one of the biggest Fin Tech companies with technical role
Length of stay in Singapore: About 4 years (almost 2 years with current company)
Salary: 70K, 80+K with bonus
Pass: EP
Languages: English, Myanmar, Chinese

I also would like to ask, if my application is rejected, would next year after I have graduated and married would be a good time to apply again?

Thank you so much!
current chance very low.

But if you had given them the documents to show that you were of chinese origin then your chance will improve.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by nevermind586 » Sat, 06 Feb 2021 11:24 pm

Hello all,

I’d love to get some idea as to whether it’s worth applying for PR in the next 1-2 years?

Age: 35
Gender: Male
Race: White
Nationality: Swiss
Education: Bachelor, Master, PhD (all in business administration)
Job: Professor at local university
Length of stay in Singapore: About 4 years
Salary: 250-300K
Pass: EP
Languages: English, German, French

Thanks a lot for your help!

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Sun, 07 Feb 2021 9:13 am

nevermind586 wrote:
Sat, 06 Feb 2021 11:24 pm
Hello all,

I’d love to get some idea as to whether it’s worth applying for PR in the next 1-2 years?

Age: 35
Gender: Male
Race: White
Nationality: Swiss
Education: Bachelor, Master, PhD (all in business administration)
Job: Professor at local university
Length of stay in Singapore: About 4 years
Salary: 250-300K
Pass: EP
Languages: English, German, French

Thanks a lot for your help!
You may have a chance as you are a PHD and also in the education sector

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