PR approval chance in 2020

[malcontent]

If it happens, it happens. It’d be somewhat easier to explain to my son as he grows up, I suspect, if it happened that way.

Sounds like you are “all in” so to speak... do you intend to renounce British citizenship? How about your son?

[Sunjackal]

I haven’t really given it a great deal of thought, to be honest. It’s taken us 8 years and a baby to get to the decision to relocate to Singapore in the first place; she’s always preferred London and I much preferred Singapore. If I had to choose, I would likely choose to fully commit to the switch.

But I suppose it’s all going to depend on how I am able to adjust. I don’t speak Mandarin or any of the other dialects, nor am I degree educated. These are hurdles to be overcome for me, as I am coming from an environment where a second language or a degree education aren’t highly valued to one where it’s almost expected.

For my son? I think we would let him wait until he could make the choice for himself. But - it is our fervent desire that he will see Singapore as his home, growing up amongst his extended family and friends of the future - and that he will see NS for example as part of his civic duty and entirely normal. My brother in law suggested that we don’t tell him he’s also British by descent until after NS but I’m not sure I favour this approach. Better, I think, to try to have him grow up in SG and for it to be “home” in his heart.

[smoulder]

I haven’t really given it a great deal of thought, to be honest. It’s taken us 8 years and a baby to get to the decision to relocate to Singapore in the first place; she’s always preferred London and I much preferred Singapore. If I had to choose, I would likely choose to fully commit to the switch.

But I suppose it’s all going to depend on how I am able to adjust. I don’t speak Mandarin or any of the other dialects, nor am I degree educated. These are hurdles to be overcome for me, as I am coming from an environment where a second language or a degree education aren’t highly valued to one where it’s almost expected.

For my son? I think we would let him wait until he could make the choice for himself. But - it is our fervent desire that he will see Singapore as his home, growing up amongst his extended family and friends of the future - and that he will see NS for example as part of his civic duty and entirely normal. My brother in law suggested that we don’t tell him he’s also British by descent until after NS but I’m not sure I favour this approach. Better, I think, to try to have him grow up in SG and for it to be “home” in his heart.

You should get by just fine with English here although you might find it tricky to understand the accent initially. That hurdle will be overcome within a few days or weeks.

[malcontent]

I haven’t really given it a great deal of thought, to be honest.

Just be aware that many things in Singapore do not operate like they do in the world outside, and immigration policy is no exception. Jumping in with both feet and later trying to take one foot out can create problems for you in the long run. You should at least make a well informed decision.

It’s taken us 8 years and a baby to get to the decision to relocate to Singapore in the first place; she’s always preferred London and I much preferred Singapore. If I had to choose, I would likely choose to fully commit to the switch.

Human beings tend to wish for the things they do not have, or at least believe the grass is greener elsewhere. Reality is often very different, and that can cause preferences to evolve over time. It is not easy to fully grasp reality until you experience it - and for here, that tends to become especially apparent when kids reach school age.

But I suppose it’s all going to depend on how I am able to adjust. I don’t speak Mandarin or any of the other dialects, nor am I degree educated. These are hurdles to be overcome for me, as I am coming from an environment where a second language or a degree education aren’t highly valued to one where it’s almost expected.

None of those items are at the top of my list when it comes to challenges you will likely face. Getting a decent job at the “right” company and being able to afford the cost of living here... I think those would be right up at the top.

For my son? I think we would let him wait until he could make the choice for himself. But - it is our fervent desire that he will see Singapore as his home, growing up amongst his extended family and friends of the future - and that he will see NS for example as part of his civic duty and entirely normal. My brother in law suggested that we don’t tell him he’s also British by descent until after NS but I’m not sure I favour this approach. Better, I think, to try to have him grow up in SG and for it to be “home” in his heart.

Singapore doesn’t technically allow dual citizenship after a certain age, which likely means choosing one or the other... one country probably won’t hold it against him.

[Sunjackal]

Just be aware that many things in Singapore do not operate like they do in the world outside, and immigration policy is no exception. Jumping in with both feet and later trying to take one foot out can create problems for you in the long run. You should at least make a well informed decision.

I take your point. At this juncture, we’ve all but committed to spending the next 18 years in Singapore. It’s also my wife’s home, where the entirety of her family is etc. I am not planning to make any backward movements. I think we’ve planned this for long enough to know that we are doing what is best for our son.

Human beings tend to wish for the things they do not have, or at least believe the grass is greener elsewhere. Reality is often very different, and that can cause preferences to evolve over time. It is not easy to fully grasp reality until you experience it - and for here, that tends to become especially apparent when kids reach school age.

That’s a fair point also. We are both confident, however, that we are doing the right thing.

None of those items are at the top of my list when it comes to challenges you will likely face. Getting a decent job at the “right” company and being able to afford the cost of living here... I think those would be right up at the top.

Sure. Finding a job is going to be the main challenge. This is what I meant by the degree comment. Every job listing seems to want a degree. So it’ll be interesting to see if I can leverage my experience in its place.

But living expenses I am not worried about. We are buying a 5 room HDB resale in cash - so that removes a lot of the financial burden.

Singapore doesn’t technically allow dual citizenship after a certain age, which likely means choosing one or the other... one country probably won’t hold it against him.

Yes. I am aware. But he doesn’t have to make that choice for many years. Which is what I mean to say, that it’s better that he is afforded that choice as opposed to making it for him. That feels, to me, the right thing to do.

[malcontent]

Yes. I am aware. But he doesn’t have to make that choice for many years. Which is what I mean to say, that it’s better that he is afforded that choice as opposed to making it for him. That feels, to me, the right thing to do.

It is a choice, but he can’t have his cake and eat it too... renouncing SGC also means - leave the country and don’t come back. So if SG is home, he will effectively be left with one choice... may be better not to have UKC in the first place, then he won’t be forced to decide.

[sundaymorningstaple]

You have a PM.

[Sunjackal]

Yes. I am aware. But he doesn’t have to make that choice for many years. Which is what I mean to say, that it’s better that he is afforded that choice as opposed to making it for him. That feels, to me, the right thing to do.

It is a choice, but he can’t have his cake and eat it too... renouncing SGC also means - leave the country and don’t come back. So if SG is home, he will effectively be left with one choice... may be better not to have UKC in the first place, then he won’t be forced to decide.

I understand the ramifications. But it’s his choice to make. I think it’s unlikely he’d go to the U.K. when we are in Singapore, as are his family etc. Not withstanding the fact he will be Singaporean born and raised, and hopefully seeing his NS as a point of pride.

But I wouldn’t deny him what is his by dint of birth. When he comes of age, he can make his choice. He will be an adult.

[malcontent]

I understand the ramifications. But it’s his choice to make. I think it’s unlikely he’d go to the U.K. when we are in Singapore, as are his family etc. Not withstanding the fact he will be Singaporean born and raised, and hopefully seeing his NS as a point of pride.

Sometimes it’s hard to know how things will turn out in the longer term. You may have noticed that many Singaporeans end up studying abroad for their tertiary education. If he wants to study in the UK (or like many, is simply unable to qualify for a local university here) does British citizenship make any difference in terms of access or subsidies in the UK?

But I wouldn’t deny him what is his by dint of birth. When he comes of age, he can make his choice. He will be an adult.

Many children born here as Singaporeans also have a second “birthright” citizenship and simply do not “activate” it... but could do so later in life without being forced to renounce. That was what I was referring to.

[Sunjackal]

That’s a fair point. I suppose education wise he would benefit from citizen prices as opposed to international.

I’ll see what my wife thinks about it.

[malcontent]

That’s a fair point. I suppose education wise he would benefit from citizen prices as opposed to international.

I’ll see what my wife thinks about it.

Incidentally, both of my kids were born here and will be facing this exact situation in the coming years. Singapore is a great place to raise kids, but for tertiary education in particular, being able to study abroad can really help them think outside the dot.

[mjdumpling]

Hello I've been too shy to write here since my husband and I, our qualifications aren't as impressive as the ones I see here .... But we'd like to try so we have some more information... He's singaporean. I am Korean. We wish to get PR asap since we want to get an HDB apartment and start a family. While we can get resale, without PR we aren't granted a lot of hdb housing loan.

May I check my chances? It's okay to be truthful, we will try regardless, but it would help to have more info for the future if we do end up getting rejected.

Me:
Age: 29
Gender: Female
Race: Korean. Grew up in Hong Kong from 4-18 years old so Chinese culture is embedded.
Nationality: Applying with Korean citizenship.
Marital Status: Married to Singaporean for 1 year.
Education: BA from a top Korean university and an MBA from a top european one.
Job: Producer for a big streaming service, worked here 6 months now. (5 years work exp total)
Length of stay in Singapore: 1 year and a bit.
Salary: 50K, but with salary increases.
Pass: LTVP with a PLOC
Languages: Korean, English, Chinese ( I can understand about 80% of Chinese spoken), a little Dutch.

Husband:
Age 27
Gender: Male
Race: Chinese
Nationality: Singaporean
Marital Status: Married to me 1 year.
Education: Diploma in Business.
Job: Started his own company this year in e-commerce. 5 years work exp in e-commerce
Salary: Kinda hard to put a number on it... 40-100K for now.
No. of tax returns: Only once

I heard from my SG friends that its harder for wives to get PR now because of so many sham marriages in the past. That's a bit sad considering its mostly young and genuine married couples who really need the benefits of PR such as HDB/BTO. Sobbers.

Also, do you think the current covid situation could have any effect on PR applications? As in, perhaps its easier/harder to get now?

[ShekLaeCheung]

Do you see upload documents option visible ? Or disappeared?

I managed to upload all the Doc as per request.

Great! May I know if they asked for family CV details?

Yes they did!

[MOCHS]

Hello I've been too shy to write here since my husband and I, our qualifications aren't as impressive as the ones I see here .... But we'd like to try so we have some more information... He's singaporean. I am Korean. We wish to get PR asap since we want to get an HDB apartment and start a family. While we can get resale, without PR we aren't granted a lot of hdb housing loan.

May I check my chances? It's okay to be truthful, we will try regardless, but it would help to have more info for the future if we do end up getting rejected.

Me:
Age: 29
Gender: Female
Race: Korean. Grew up in Hong Kong from 4-18 years old so Chinese culture is embedded.
Nationality: Applying with Korean citizenship.
Marital Status: Married to Singaporean for 1 year.
Education: BA from a top Korean university and an MBA from a top european one.
Job: Producer for a big streaming service, worked here 6 months now. (5 years work exp total)
Length of stay in Singapore: 1 year and a bit.
Salary: 50K, but with salary increases.
Pass: LTVP with a PLOC
Languages: Korean, English, Chinese ( I can understand about 80% of Chinese spoken), a little Dutch.

Husband:
Age 27
Gender: Male
Race: Chinese
Nationality: Singaporean
Marital Status: Married to me 1 year.
Education: Diploma in Business.
Job: Started his own company this year in e-commerce. 5 years work exp in e-commerce
Salary: Kinda hard to put a number on it... 40-100K for now.
No. of tax returns: Only once

I heard from my SG friends that its harder for wives to get PR now because of so many sham marriages in the past. That's a bit sad considering its mostly young and genuine married couples who really need the benefits of PR such as HDB/BTO. Sobbers.

Also, do you think the current covid situation could have any effect on PR applications? As in, perhaps its easier/harder to get now?

Wait for 2-3 years of marriage before applying. Any lesser and ICA will feel you married just for the PR. They are cautious now due to sham marriages.

I have a foreigner husband on LTVP and I went ahead to buy a resale 3 room using my salary alone. I have intention to upgrade in the future if and when my husband gets a PR.

I may not like the Non-Citizen Spouse Scheme policy but there’s nothing that can be done...

[wakingmoon]

Informative thread!