Kid born abroad to Singaporean?

[theplanes]

Hi, first of all apologies if this is the wrong place to be asking, after my own research I was still quite confused and then found this forum.

Will a child born abroad be liable for NS if mum is Singaporean and dad is not? In the case the child is a boy, should one not register the child at a foreign embassy at all in case of NS? Or is it possible for the child to hold both citizenships and still not serve NS but renounce the Singsporean one eventually? I read something about only being allowed to renounce at 21 but that is past the age of registering for NS.

I appreciate the advice! Thanks!

[PNGMK]

1. Will a child born abroad be liable for NS if mum is Singaporean and dad is not?

Only is the child is a Singapore male.

2. In the case the child is a boy, should one not register the child at a foreign embassy at all in case of NS?

If the child has another citizenship apart from Singaporean that is an option but will almost certainly make it impossible for the boy to work or live permanently in Singapore later on.

3. Or is it possible for the child to hold both citizenships and still not serve NS but renounce the Singsporean one eventually?

If the child (boy) holds both citizenships but does not take advantage of the Singapore citizenship (and in particular does not take up and NRIC or atttend local secondary school) this may be possible. At time the boy is requested to register for pre-enlistment (around 13) you should begin notification to CMBP and ICA of the boys intention to renounce SC. This is a one way door - he can't work or live in Singapore after that point easily.

I read something about only being allowed to renounce at 21 but that is past the age of registering for NS.

Yes - the boy will remain a SC until he is an adult (which is 21) and at that point he can renounce IF CMPB have accepted that he is intending to immigrate and not return and the procedure has been followed correctly.

You cannot have your cake and eat it too. He is either a SC with NS responsibilities after 13 or he is not a SC.

[sundaymorningstaple]

Start here. viewforum.php?f=55

Do lots of reading here. There is probably more information (both the good and the bad) on this site with regard to this issue (both for Citizen children and PR children)

There are countless threads with heaps of information on how, when and where. There are also lots of tripping points to be aware of and avoid in order to keep a male child's options open or at least not handicapped. One of the biggest issues is if it is attempted to keep the boy out of NS, the mother should have already given up her citizenship as well, as if she doesn't it will show ICA/MINDEF that the mother is keeping a backdoor open to Singapore, and trying to game the system. I don't recommend doing is as it will bite you in the butt for sure and possibly close doors for your child's future that will impact the rest of his life (and the mother's). Think very carefully. Not for yourselves but for your child's future (you cannot live his life for him, but you can destroy his life if you are not careful). I am not advising either way, as you have to live with your decisions. I've already been through it 20+ years ago with a dual-citizen at birth male child. (Mother a Singapore Citizen, I'm a Yank).

[ProvenPracticalFlexible]

My short advice simply:

If it is a boy, no do not register/apply for Singapore citizenship/passport.

This is based on the fact that you had to ask about how to get out of NS. If you as parents think that your son cannot do NS, and are basically trying to wiggle around it somehow, why do you even bother. Have the other citizenship, be happy with that and stop thinking passports are like club memberships where you can join and leave when you feel.