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Hong Kong protests

Post by tiktok » Mon, 07 Oct 2019 5:02 pm

I haven't seen any discussion about the Hong Kong protests here yet. Most of the locals I've spoken to are not exactly sympathetic to them, but then again few people here seem to have a true understanding of the causes of the protests. Which is not surprising, because none of those problems exist here.

What do people here think?
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Re: Hong Kong protests

Post by tt1973 » Mon, 07 Oct 2019 5:32 pm

Some of the HK clients we encountered said that the protests are not as bad as it looks.

IMO the protestors have gone too far causing so much chaos and violence along the way.

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Post by tiktok » Mon, 07 Oct 2019 5:40 pm

When you look at the living conditions people are under, and the future they are facing, the disruption is really nothing.
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Re: Hong Kong protests

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 07 Oct 2019 6:34 pm

Here is good read.
https://criticalspectator.com/china/jos ... sOFPimKii0

Frankly, for my part, they are fighting for the wrong side. It's capitalism (extreme) that has caused their problems. They should opt for CCP faster, not democracy. Beijing could care less what happens to HK as they have already made HK redundant. The HKSE is a shadow of itself as most of already moved to the Shanghai Exchange. Other cities have facilitated ports and other financial services. CCP is no more closed to the rest of the world and practices their own brand of capitalism and has catapulted way, way beyond HK today.

Elsewhere, I mentioned the fact that I'd be willing to bet the PRC is willing to let HK imploded on itself. It is of no use to the PRC and it cannot survive without the PRC. All the PRC has to do is cut off the bridges and communications, Utilities and water and HK dies. Use the shallow water navy to blockade HK to prevent ships from docking there and HK is finished. The rioters/hooligans with ending up killing themselves and the whole city. There haven't been any protesters for 16 weeks (all the original protesters either went home or joined the rioters/hooligans (which are not peaceful protests as has been allowed by the government). Bring in the CCP, take the land away from the tycoons and sort it out with mass cheap housing or just let it rot into a backwater.

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Re: Hong Kong protests

Post by PNGMK » Mon, 07 Oct 2019 7:50 pm

I agree with a lot of that SMS. After living in Shanghai in the late 90's I learned a lot about how Shanghai was a much bigger city than HK ever was and how it was going to re-surge. It is already a true megacity and in some ways bigger and better than Beijing and is going to be the NYC of the Orient - if the CCCP doesn't screw up. HK is already done. Toast.
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Re: Hong Kong protests

Post by tiktok » Mon, 07 Oct 2019 10:49 pm

That article is right about one thing, the protesters are shooting themselves in the foot, and they don't have a clue about macro economics. But that's missing the point. The protesters are smashing up things because they have no hope of owning a property. Because schools arei trying to brainwash kids with Mandarin, simplified Chinese and bs history. Because HK has its own language and culture that is completely different to the mainland. They want to choose a government who will protect that, do something to stamp out crony capitalism and tackle the atrocious housing situation.
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Re: Hong Kong protests

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 07 Oct 2019 11:14 pm

And the CCCP is the only way that is going to be accomplished. Sadly, they are too naive and immature to understand that. The only thing that will wake them up at this point is a repeat of Kent State. But sadly, not one of them has any idea what Kent State was.

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Re: Hong Kong protests

Post by PNGMK » Tue, 08 Oct 2019 8:51 am

I think the Tiananmen Sq Massacre is probably more relevant and definitely on the mind of some of the protestors SMS.

Having now read the article I'd say that this is a hack attack on Joshua Wong. He is not the instigator of the damage or violence AND it's important to refute that he is the leader of the protests. I know him through friends and it's not his character. I imagine he is quite stressed by this all.

My view and it remains is that the violence is driven by elements outside mainstream society - whether they are instigators paid for by the CCCP or the Triads I don't know. We are in a war of propagandists for sure. Yes - I agree with the article that destroying HK is stupid but once I again I refute the articles main charge that Joshua Wong is behind it. That's simply slander and defamatory. I don't know who is behind the "Critical Spectator" but it's heavily biased.

PS - Critical Spectator is written by a polish blogger - https://www.linkedin.com/in/petraeus/
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Re: Hong Kong protests

Post by tiktok » Tue, 08 Oct 2019 9:16 am

Yes, I thought it was ridiculous to try and portray him as the leader of the protests. If the author of that article was actually in Hong Kong and talked to some locals, it would not be hard to find out how the protesters are being organised. If I was there myself I could probably find out too.

Ah, he's Polish, probably never even set foot in hk, so totally clueless.
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Re: Hong Kong protests

Post by PNGMK » Tue, 08 Oct 2019 9:53 am

tiktok wrote:
Tue, 08 Oct 2019 9:16 am
Yes, I thought it was ridiculous to try and portray him as the leader of the protests. If the author of that article was actually in Hong Kong and talked to some locals, it would not be hard to find out how the protesters are being organised. If I was there myself I could probably find out too.

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He's a wannabe Nas Daily hoping if he writes positive articles about Singapore he will be invited for PR.
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Re: Hong Kong protests

Post by Strong Eagle » Tue, 08 Oct 2019 11:51 am

In the midst of all of this, don't forget that China is run by a bunch of thugs who think nothing of imprisoning, torturing, or killing anyone who challenges their grip on power.

Don't forget that it is has been China's intention since long before Great Britain gave up its claims to assimilate Hong Kong into full communist control. Each and every leader "democratically" elected since Great Britain released HK to China has been increasingly in the grips of the communist party leaders, and the only thing that has prevented Hong Kong from being fully assimilated is that, so far, the communists have been unable to figure out how to do it without destroying the financial and business center that it is.

Yes, there are capitalistic excesses everywhere, including land costs and rent that are beyond all but the very rich. But, this is not different from anywhere else where the rich are permitted to run amok... from San Francisco to Aspen in the USA, and increasingly in cities in Europe.

Yes, the protests may be misguided, and they will probably be brutally put down by the communist gangsters, but the principle of self rule remains... even if the communists and the rich are in bed together to quash dissent.

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