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Well weight loss can be achieved by Calorie deficit also. But metabolic health n hormonal health cannot be.
Also chronic diseases like blood pressure and diabetes can be controlled by reducing carbs and eating high fat.
So I think weight loss is just one of the benefits. There r lot of internal benefits which is very tough to correlate to diet. We often accept it as part of Aging which is not really true.
I think Low card high fat or keto helps in weight loss but there is much more benefits which most normal people don’t understand.
Also chronic diseases like blood pressure and diabetes can be controlled by reducing carbs and eating high fat.
So I think weight loss is just one of the benefits. There r lot of internal benefits which is very tough to correlate to diet. We often accept it as part of Aging which is not really true.
I think Low card high fat or keto helps in weight loss but there is much more benefits which most normal people don’t understand.
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I’ve heard that the first few days of keto causes terrible headaches, but after the initial shock, your body recovers and becomes more clear-headed than ever. Was this the case for you?smoulder wrote: ↑Mon, 24 May 2021 1:18 amNot sure about him but I know from my own experience doing CKD years ago, you get this feeling of being clear headed and more energetic after the initial few days when you have cravings. Don't know if it's psychological, but I've read about other people reporting the same thing as well.Lisafuller wrote: ↑Sun, 23 May 2021 10:30 pmGreat results. But isn’t it the weight loss that made the difference? The diet caused the dramatic weight loss which lead to an improvement in your health.midlet2013 wrote: ↑Sun, 23 May 2021 3:14 amYa when I started keto, I did sincerely and lost 9k in 3 months. All my medical reports r better . Nothing detoriorated in 1.5 years. I am lighter agile.
My conclusion is it’s not weight loss. Eating Low carb n high weight is healthy From an internal health, hormonal and metabolic point of view.
Carbs r bad but by the time we realise , we blame it on age.
I am 41 and I feel I am healthier now than I was in 30s.
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I think you may have it wrong. Weight loss is the cause of the health benefits, many chronic illnesses are known to be able to be controlled with weight loss which can be achieved through proper diet and exercise.midlet2013 wrote: ↑Mon, 24 May 2021 1:35 amWell weight loss can be achieved by Calorie deficit also. But metabolic health n hormonal health cannot be.
Also chronic diseases like blood pressure and diabetes can be controlled by reducing carbs and eating high fat.
So I think weight loss is just one of the benefits. There r lot of internal benefits which is very tough to correlate to diet. We often accept it as part of Aging which is not really true.
I think Low card high fat or keto helps in weight loss but there is much more benefits which most normal people don’t understand.
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As one who walked the walk 13 years ago and lost 25 kg by basically cutting out carbs, sugar, salt and reducing portions I have to agree with midlet2013. I had HBP for a decade (during which time I'd gained more than 15 kg, and after the program I'd was taken off all medications. my HBP is directly a result of weight gain/loss.
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Yep that's what I experienced. I don't quite recall experiencing headaches initially. Definitely had cravings and was extremely tired, partly also because of the kind of workout I had coupled with the ketogenic diet. But once this went away, I recall feeling quite energetic.I’ve heard that the first few days of keto causes terrible headaches, but after the initial shock, your body recovers and becomes more clear-headed than ever. Was this the case for you?
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With keto or other high fat diets, compared to general healthy eating, the problem is with some interpretations. Like were any fat is ok, as it still allows you lose weight and people fry everything in butter, eat bacon as a regular snack etc. Might lose you weight but not necessarily so good for cholesterol and heart.
The same issue with low or no carb diets where people consider all carbs bad instead of sugars only.
The same issue with low or no carb diets where people consider all carbs bad instead of sugars only.
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smoulder wrote: ↑Mon, 24 May 2021 3:32 pmYep that's what I experienced. I don't quite recall experiencing headaches initially. Definitely had cravings and was extremely tired, partly also because of the kind of workout I had coupled with the ketogenic diet. But once this went away, I recall feeling quite energetic.I’ve heard that the first few days of keto causes terrible headaches, but after the initial shock, your body recovers and becomes more clear-headed than ever. Was this the case for you?
Interesting. Not sure why this is, probably just the body getting used to such drastic changes.
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True, there is a difference between healthy and unhealthy fats (avocado vs. bacon grease).ProvenPracticalFlexible wrote: ↑Mon, 24 May 2021 3:35 pmWith keto or other high fat diets, compared to general healthy eating, the problem is with some interpretations. Like were any fat is ok, as it still allows you lose weight and people fry everything in butter, eat bacon as a regular snack etc. Might lose you weight but not necessarily so good for cholesterol and heart.
The same issue with low or no carb diets where people consider all carbs bad instead of sugars only.
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Once you figure out that LowCarbHighFat makes sense, you can learn n figure out what's good n what's not.
Clearly, Saturated fats n MonoUnsaturated r good while PolyUnsaturated are bad. So Avacado is good and so is Bacon and Butter . But Vegetable oils are bad.
Secondly, there is a lot of research which points that Cholestoral specifically LDL is not bad as long as TG is low and HDL is high which can be done by cutting carbs and increasing saturated fats.
My dad had extremely low LDL and high TG/low HDL and had a heart attack.
Conventional wisdom on fats is wrong. At least do some research, see both sides of the story, and decide what makes sense.
Clearly, Saturated fats n MonoUnsaturated r good while PolyUnsaturated are bad. So Avacado is good and so is Bacon and Butter . But Vegetable oils are bad.
Secondly, there is a lot of research which points that Cholestoral specifically LDL is not bad as long as TG is low and HDL is high which can be done by cutting carbs and increasing saturated fats.
My dad had extremely low LDL and high TG/low HDL and had a heart attack.
Conventional wisdom on fats is wrong. At least do some research, see both sides of the story, and decide what makes sense.
Lisafuller wrote: ↑Wed, 26 May 2021 12:13 amTrue, there is a difference between healthy and unhealthy fats (avocado vs. bacon grease).ProvenPracticalFlexible wrote: ↑Mon, 24 May 2021 3:35 pmWith keto or other high fat diets, compared to general healthy eating, the problem is with some interpretations. Like were any fat is ok, as it still allows you lose weight and people fry everything in butter, eat bacon as a regular snack etc. Might lose you weight but not necessarily so good for cholesterol and heart.
The same issue with low or no carb diets where people consider all carbs bad instead of sugars only.
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Would be really interested to see any reliable and recent research stating that bacon and butter are good for your health. And I guess the other part where olive oil is bad.midlet2013 wrote: ↑Wed, 26 May 2021 4:51 amOnce you figure out that LowCarbHighFat makes sense, you can learn n figure out what's good n what's not.
Clearly, Saturated fats n MonoUnsaturated r good while PolyUnsaturated are bad. So Avacado is good and so is Bacon and Butter . But Vegetable oils are bad.
Secondly, there is a lot of research which points that Cholestoral specifically LDL is not bad as long as TG is low and HDL is high which can be done by cutting carbs and increasing saturated fats.
My dad had extremely low LDL and high TG/low HDL and had a heart attack.
Conventional wisdom on fats is wrong. At least do some research, see both sides of the story, and decide what makes sense.
Lisafuller wrote: ↑Wed, 26 May 2021 12:13 amTrue, there is a difference between healthy and unhealthy fats (avocado vs. bacon grease).ProvenPracticalFlexible wrote: ↑Mon, 24 May 2021 3:35 pmWith keto or other high fat diets, compared to general healthy eating, the problem is with some interpretations. Like were any fat is ok, as it still allows you lose weight and people fry everything in butter, eat bacon as a regular snack etc. Might lose you weight but not necessarily so good for cholesterol and heart.
The same issue with low or no carb diets where people consider all carbs bad instead of sugars only.
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Just to add a neutral respected science summary, as I don't claim to be a medical or nutritional researcher:
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine/m ... ally-back/
There is always debates but certain basics are still agreed by most researchers, the miracle diet and vitamin sellers are another breed of researchers, whom I chose to ignore for their conflict of interest.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine/m ... ally-back/
There is always debates but certain basics are still agreed by most researchers, the miracle diet and vitamin sellers are another breed of researchers, whom I chose to ignore for their conflict of interest.
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I’ll give it a read, thanks for sharing!ProvenPracticalFlexible wrote: ↑Wed, 26 May 2021 7:03 amJust to add a neutral respected science summary, as I don't claim to be a medical or nutritional researcher:
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine/m ... ally-back/
There is always debates but certain basics are still agreed by most researchers, the miracle diet and vitamin sellers are another breed of researchers, whom I chose to ignore for their conflict of interest.
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ProvenPracticalFlexible wrote: ↑Wed, 26 May 2021 6:43 amWould be really interested to see any reliable and recent research stating that bacon and butter are good for your health. And I guess the other part where olive oil is bad.midlet2013 wrote: ↑Wed, 26 May 2021 4:51 amOnce you figure out that LowCarbHighFat makes sense, you can learn n figure out what's good n what's not.
Clearly, Saturated fats n MonoUnsaturated r good while PolyUnsaturated are bad. So Avacado is good and so is Bacon and Butter . But Vegetable oils are bad.
Secondly, there is a lot of research which points that Cholestoral specifically LDL is not bad as long as TG is low and HDL is high which can be done by cutting carbs and increasing saturated fats.
My dad had extremely low LDL and high TG/low HDL and had a heart attack.
Conventional wisdom on fats is wrong. At least do some research, see both sides of the story, and decide what makes sense.
Lisafuller wrote: ↑Wed, 26 May 2021 12:13 am
True, there is a difference between healthy and unhealthy fats (avocado vs. bacon grease).
No I would not. U can avoid olive and butter n bacon. Good for u.
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I thinks you’ve misinterpreted my post. I meant that avocados were “healthy fat” while bacon grade was unhealthy, not the other way around.ProvenPracticalFlexible wrote: ↑Wed, 26 May 2021 6:43 amWould be really interested to see any reliable and recent research stating that bacon and butter are good for your health. And I guess the other part where olive oil is bad.midlet2013 wrote: ↑Wed, 26 May 2021 4:51 amOnce you figure out that LowCarbHighFat makes sense, you can learn n figure out what's good n what's not.
Clearly, Saturated fats n MonoUnsaturated r good while PolyUnsaturated are bad. So Avacado is good and so is Bacon and Butter . But Vegetable oils are bad.
Secondly, there is a lot of research which points that Cholestoral specifically LDL is not bad as long as TG is low and HDL is high which can be done by cutting carbs and increasing saturated fats.
My dad had extremely low LDL and high TG/low HDL and had a heart attack.
Conventional wisdom on fats is wrong. At least do some research, see both sides of the story, and decide what makes sense.
Lisafuller wrote: ↑Wed, 26 May 2021 12:13 am
True, there is a difference between healthy and unhealthy fats (avocado vs. bacon grease).
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A work colleague of mine returned from furlough (circa 9 months all in all) with a 45kg loss from following the keto diet.
She has said she’s never felt better in her life, with the health of some decades younger than her actual age.
She did mention it was quite gruelling in the beginning, but that once she got a handle on it she just felt better. More energised, less aches and pains, overall healthier feeling.
I’ve always been unsure on keto because of potential heart health concerns about the fat element - but I am sure that’s more about ensuring the kind of fats being consumed are good ones.
She has said she’s never felt better in her life, with the health of some decades younger than her actual age.
She did mention it was quite gruelling in the beginning, but that once she got a handle on it she just felt better. More energised, less aches and pains, overall healthier feeling.
I’ve always been unsure on keto because of potential heart health concerns about the fat element - but I am sure that’s more about ensuring the kind of fats being consumed are good ones.
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