kapilsamant wrote: ↑Sat, 06 Jul 2019 12:28 amWe paid LOI (3050$), signed Tenancy Agreement (TA), but due to an unforeseen change in our situation, we need to back out of TA. Eight weeks left to the commencement date of the tenancy.
The sequence of events:
LOI DATE: Thursday 27 June 6:30 PM
LOI Payment: Thursday 27 June 6:30 PM (via pay order)
TA Signing: Sunday 30 June 5:00 PM (We signed the unamended TA in good faith)
Paid LL's agent stamp duty: Sunday 30 June 5:00 PM (Online transfer)
Unforeseen change in our living situation: Monday 1 July 2:30 PM
Request to terminate TA: Monday 1 July 3:30 PM (<24 hours from signing)
Lease Commencement: Tuesday 27 August 10:00 AM (8 weeks later)
We didn't dispute any of the TA clauses (even the restrictive ones) because we have always had the best experience with all my previous LLs. It seems we wrongly presumed the same here in hindsight.
The tenancy agreement contained clauses that should have been amended to include our requests before signing. For instance, TA bars us from keeping pets. We had expressed our intent to keep a dog at-least twice before signing LOI as an essential requirement for us. We could have sought amendments.
But in good faith, on agent's suggestion that we don't need to worry about this LL will act in good faith when we get a pet we signed un-amended TA literally in 20 minutes of receiving it to help avoid inconvenience to LL's agent.
We paid LL's agent 298$ for stamp duty at the time of signing. We made arrangements (sold investments) to pay the 2 months deposit. We intended to follow through.
Unfortunately the next day we faced a sudden unforeseen change in our living situation the next day that makes taking the unit no longer possible (I am keeping it private on this forum). Our situation does not merit the diplomatic clause to be exercised. We didn’t keep the LL in suspense. We disclosed the details of what had just happened in our life to LL immediately. We requested to terminate the TA within 24 hours of signing. 2 Months deposit not yet paid.
We apologised profusely for the inconvenience caused due to TA termination. We offered to compensate for lost time (5 days), opportunity (prospective tenants) and efforts to LL and agent from the LOI money (3050$) and humbly suggested they only return whatever portion LL deem fair.
LL response is that they are out of pocket by 200$ (agent fee from LL is 3260$ > LOI money we paid 3050$). Don't know if this is true. But If it is indeed so. We will happily top-up.
LL is seeking 2-month rent as security deposit (6100$) and seeking to enforce TA. The agent suggested LL may even pursue legal recourse.
As far as I know, there are no exit clauses in the TA. There is nothing that protects us in the TA.
Question 1:
Do I have any legal grounds to stand on the merit of good faith we have demonstrated from the very beginning?
No
Question 2:
Can the LL force me to take the unit?
To move you in? No, not really, but this is kind of irrelevant.
Question 3:
Can the LL sue me for reneging on TA? What is the maximum we are liable for considering we no longer can rent the unit?
No, but he can sue you for any damages he suffered because of you action.
Question 4:
I want to cut our losses at this point. But be fair to LL and LL's agent. What should we do?
Agree to cover his expenses + something extra.
Note: it is very unlikely any court would make you pay 24 month of rental. Normally you are expected to cover the actual tangible damages + maybe some more for what is not tangible.
I would propose:
- cover his agents commission upon delivering a proof it was paid
- 2-4 weeks of rent.
This is what I would consider reasonable taking into account that you still have like 7 weeks to go for the TA to commence.
If the LL is not willing to accept this, send him this proposal as an official letter, perhaps even ask a lawyer to write it on your behalf, give him some time to respond (a week) and if still not agreeable ask him to sue you.
Staying.
Didn’t understand the sublet part. The TA currently does not allow for it. Are you suggesting I seek amendment of TA to sublet it?PNGMK wrote: ↑Sat, 06 Jul 2019 10:53 am
If you're leaving I'd make that clear to the agent and continue to offer a reasonable settlement until you leave. After that the chances of the LL or his agent recovering funds are very low and they know it. Even after you leave continue to email to try to settle at a reasonable figure - don't provide a forwarding address or similar where they can send writs or summons however.
If you're staying on in Singapore you might need to look at subletting to reduce your losses - i.e. cover the outgoings until someone else can take up the unit. At the moment it is a renters market so it may take time to get someone in which is why the LL and agent are being difficult. You'll need the LL agreement to sublet put in a replacement tenant but this is the only way out of they stick to the TA. If you don't move in and don't pay rent at some point they will have reason to sue you and could win (with costs).
Consider it naïveté or consider it misplaced good faith. The Agent was speaking in terms that made it seem, We have no reason to worry, so long as we are reasonable with our request. The LL will exercise good faith. For instance the pets clause, she said it’s ok, just scribble it on a pre-signed LOi, no need to worry about amending TA.
Thank you so much for your advice. I have offered the LOI money (3050) and will offer to top up (with proof of payment to agent).x9200 wrote: ↑Sat, 06 Jul 2019 11:35 amkapilsamant wrote: ↑Sat, 06 Jul 2019 12:28 amWe paid LOI (3050$), signed Tenancy Agreement (TA), but due to an unforeseen change in our situation, we need to back out of TA. Eight weeks left to the commencement date of the tenancy.
The sequence of events:
LOI DATE: Thursday 27 June 6:30 PM
LOI Payment: Thursday 27 June 6:30 PM (via pay order)
TA Signing: Sunday 30 June 5:00 PM (We signed the unamended TA in good faith)
Paid LL's agent stamp duty: Sunday 30 June 5:00 PM (Online transfer)
Unforeseen change in our living situation: Monday 1 July 2:30 PM
Request to terminate TA: Monday 1 July 3:30 PM (<24 hours from signing)
Lease Commencement: Tuesday 27 August 10:00 AM (8 weeks later)
We didn't dispute any of the TA clauses (even the restrictive ones) because we have always had the best experience with all my previous LLs. It seems we wrongly presumed the same here in hindsight.
The tenancy agreement contained clauses that should have been amended to include our requests before signing. For instance, TA bars us from keeping pets. We had expressed our intent to keep a dog at-least twice before signing LOI as an essential requirement for us. We could have sought amendments.
But in good faith, on agent's suggestion that we don't need to worry about this LL will act in good faith when we get a pet we signed un-amended TA literally in 20 minutes of receiving it to help avoid inconvenience to LL's agent.
We paid LL's agent 298$ for stamp duty at the time of signing. We made arrangements (sold investments) to pay the 2 months deposit. We intended to follow through.
Unfortunately the next day we faced a sudden unforeseen change in our living situation the next day that makes taking the unit no longer possible (I am keeping it private on this forum). Our situation does not merit the diplomatic clause to be exercised. We didn’t keep the LL in suspense. We disclosed the details of what had just happened in our life to LL immediately. We requested to terminate the TA within 24 hours of signing. 2 Months deposit not yet paid.
We apologised profusely for the inconvenience caused due to TA termination. We offered to compensate for lost time (5 days), opportunity (prospective tenants) and efforts to LL and agent from the LOI money (3050$) and humbly suggested they only return whatever portion LL deem fair.
LL response is that they are out of pocket by 200$ (agent fee from LL is 3260$ > LOI money we paid 3050$). Don't know if this is true. But If it is indeed so. We will happily top-up.
LL is seeking 2-month rent as security deposit (6100$) and seeking to enforce TA. The agent suggested LL may even pursue legal recourse.
As far as I know, there are no exit clauses in the TA. There is nothing that protects us in the TA.
Question 1:
Do I have any legal grounds to stand on the merit of good faith we have demonstrated from the very beginning?
No
Question 2:
Can the LL force me to take the unit?
To move you in? No, not really, but this is kind of irrelevant.
Question 3:
Can the LL sue me for reneging on TA? What is the maximum we are liable for considering we no longer can rent the unit?
No, but he can sue you for any damages he suffered because of you action.
Question 4:
I want to cut our losses at this point. But be fair to LL and LL's agent. What should we do?
Agree to cover his expenses + something extra.
Note: it is very unlikely any court would make you pay 24 month of rental. Normally you are expected to cover the actual tangible damages + maybe some more for what is not tangible.
I would propose:
- cover his agents commission upon delivering a proof it was paid
- 2-4 weeks of rent.
This is what I would consider reasonable taking into account that you still have like 7 weeks to go for the TA to commence.
If the LL is not willing to accept this, send him this proposal as an official letter, perhaps even ask a lawyer to write it on your behalf, give him some time to respond (a week) and if still not agreeable ask him to sue you.
My wife have lived in a 1 bedroom studio for past 3 years. We were looking at this 2 bedroom because of her plans of continuing to stay in Singapore and become employed soon.
My wife and I are fair minded folks. We wouldn’t dare request cancelling TA due to an attractive house elsewhere (also there isn’t one). It wouldn’t be fair to the landlord or the landlords agent.We really liked this house. Till our circumstances suddenly changed.
Update as of 12th July, It's been:brian_singapore wrote: ↑Fri, 12 Jul 2019 11:22 amRemember: the LL is negotiating. This is a negotiation.
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