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Re: Citizenship Rejected (Appeal or Re-Apply) - Advice

Post by singaporeflyer » Mon, 22 Apr 2019 3:32 pm

freddykeat wrote:Yes, I am from Malaysia.
So your appeal and OP's appeal is not the same

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Post by cocoboy » Tue, 23 Apr 2019 6:54 pm

Been lurking in this forum every now and then for a while now, really helpful to be able to relate and interesting to read, especially with the candidness of the replies (at least most of them from the oldtimers). Guess it's time for me to post and ask about my situation.

My wife and I (we're in our mid-40's) have decided to pursue SG citizenship after more than 11 years -- we're PR and yes, granted during the heydays in 2009. I'm reading that this can be a negative factor as well as my non-preferred race (coming from a poor SE Asian country). Will salary and leadership/management position in our companies not help? Combined annual income is $500K+ over the last 5 years (so we paid our fair share of taxes), I've been with the same company since we moved and my wife on her 3rd. But I guess the real negative factor will be our sons being on student passes. When we applied for PR, we did not include them and explicitly mentioned in our application that they will decide and apply themselves. True enough, my eldest son applied for PR in 2016 while in Sec 3 knowing about his NS obligations. He got rejected and really felt dejected so he did not reapply anymore. My younger son then also just decided to be on student pass.

Having read the cases here, I'm still keen to apply but not really hopeful of acceptance. But whatever it is, we will probably be here for the next 10-15 years.

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Post by singaporeflyer » Wed, 24 Apr 2019 7:55 pm

cocoboy wrote:Been lurking in this forum every now and then for a while now, really helpful to be able to relate and interesting to read, especially with the candidness of the replies (at least most of them from the oldtimers). Guess it's time for me to post and ask about my situation.

My wife and I (we're in our mid-40's) have decided to pursue SG citizenship after more than 11 years -- we're PR and yes, granted during the heydays in 2009. I'm reading that this can be a negative factor as well as my non-preferred race (coming from a poor SE Asian country). Will salary and leadership/management position in our companies not help? Combined annual income is $500K+ over the last 5 years (so we paid our fair share of taxes), I've been with the same company since we moved and my wife on her 3rd. But I guess the real negative factor will be our sons being on student passes. When we applied for PR, we did not include them and explicitly mentioned in our application that they will decide and apply themselves. True enough, my eldest son applied for PR in 2016 while in Sec 3 knowing about his NS obligations. He got rejected and really felt dejected so he did not reapply anymore. My younger son then also just decided to be on student pass.

Having read the cases here, I'm still keen to apply but not really hopeful of acceptance. But whatever it is, we will probably be here for the next 10-15 years.
Your son's not taking up PR to avoid NS, will be a major factor when evaluating your SC application. Else, you would have had a good chance. Now, your chance is going to be only around 10%

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Post by cocoboy » Thu, 25 Apr 2019 10:53 am

singaporeflyer wrote:
cocoboy wrote:Been lurking in this forum every now and then for a while now, really helpful to be able to relate and interesting to read, especially with the candidness of the replies (at least most of them from the oldtimers). Guess it's time for me to post and ask about my situation.

My wife and I (we're in our mid-40's) have decided to pursue SG citizenship after more than 11 years -- we're PR and yes, granted during the heydays in 2009. I'm reading that this can be a negative factor as well as my non-preferred race (coming from a poor SE Asian country). Will salary and leadership/management position in our companies not help? Combined annual income is $500K+ over the last 5 years (so we paid our fair share of taxes), I've been with the same company since we moved and my wife on her 3rd. But I guess the real negative factor will be our sons being on student passes. When we applied for PR, we did not include them and explicitly mentioned in our application that they will decide and apply themselves. True enough, my eldest son applied for PR in 2016 while in Sec 3 knowing about his NS obligations. He got rejected and really felt dejected so he did not reapply anymore. My younger son then also just decided to be on student pass.

Having read the cases here, I'm still keen to apply but not really hopeful of acceptance. But whatever it is, we will probably be here for the next 10-15 years.
Your son's not taking up PR to avoid NS, will be a major factor when evaluating your SC application. Else, you would have had a good chance. Now, your chance is going to be only around 10%
Eh, you did read that he applied for PR and will do NS but he was rejected? He didn't enjoy the PR benefits for several years, yet he was willing to do NS. We were really surprised as all our local friends.

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Post by singaporeflyer » Thu, 25 Apr 2019 6:07 pm

cocoboy wrote:
singaporeflyer wrote:
cocoboy wrote:Been lurking in this forum every now and then for a while now, really helpful to be able to relate and interesting to read, especially with the candidness of the replies (at least most of them from the oldtimers). Guess it's time for me to post and ask about my situation.

My wife and I (we're in our mid-40's) have decided to pursue SG citizenship after more than 11 years -- we're PR and yes, granted during the heydays in 2009. I'm reading that this can be a negative factor as well as my non-preferred race (coming from a poor SE Asian country). Will salary and leadership/management position in our companies not help? Combined annual income is $500K+ over the last 5 years (so we paid our fair share of taxes), I've been with the same company since we moved and my wife on her 3rd. But I guess the real negative factor will be our sons being on student passes. When we applied for PR, we did not include them and explicitly mentioned in our application that they will decide and apply themselves. True enough, my eldest son applied for PR in 2016 while in Sec 3 knowing about his NS obligations. He got rejected and really felt dejected so he did not reapply anymore. My younger son then also just decided to be on student pass.

Having read the cases here, I'm still keen to apply but not really hopeful of acceptance. But whatever it is, we will probably be here for the next 10-15 years.
Your son's not taking up PR to avoid NS, will be a major factor when evaluating your SC application. Else, you would have had a good chance. Now, your chance is going to be only around 10%
Eh, you did read that he applied for PR and will do NS but he was rejected? He didn't enjoy the PR benefits for several years, yet he was willing to do NS. We were really surprised as all our local friends.
Read below

When we applied for PR, we did not include them and explicitly mentioned in our application that they will decide and apply themselves.


This is what they see. Your initial mistake. To be honest, we are not surprised as you initially did not apply for PR for your son's when you got your PR. During your application time, PR was considered to be easy.

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Post by therat » Thu, 25 Apr 2019 8:07 pm

cocoboy wrote:
True enough, my eldest son applied for PR in 2016 while in Sec 3 knowing about his NS obligations. He got rejected and really felt dejected so he did not reapply anymore. My younger son then also just decided to be on student pass.
2015, Singapore government announce "PRs and foreigners to pay higher school fees from 2016"

For secondary school, increase $100/mth.

You might think $100 increase is not much for you. But they might see differently.

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Post by Vulcan » Fri, 26 Apr 2019 9:49 am

HI All,

Thanks for sharing your views, i am leaning towards going to ICA with my application for an appeal. Not sure if this is a good move. however I am not sure why was my application rejected. Do you guys advice on how to appeal for an application that was rejected ?

How should one do an appeal ? Is there a procedure ? Do we get to reach out the officer who had rejected our papers ? Any thoughts , Please chime in .

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Post by Wd40 » Fri, 26 Apr 2019 10:36 am

therat wrote:
cocoboy wrote:
True enough, my eldest son applied for PR in 2016 while in Sec 3 knowing about his NS obligations. He got rejected and really felt dejected so he did not reapply anymore. My younger son then also just decided to be on student pass.
2015, Singapore government announce "PRs and foreigners to pay higher school fees from 2016"

For secondary school, increase $100/mth.

You might think $100 increase is not much for you. But they might see differently.
If money was the issue, dont you think 2 years of loss of earnings due to NS would be more damaging than the $100 per increase in school fees?

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Post by cocoboy » Fri, 26 Apr 2019 2:28 pm

Wd40 wrote:
therat wrote:
cocoboy wrote:
True enough, my eldest son applied for PR in 2016 while in Sec 3 knowing about his NS obligations. He got rejected and really felt dejected so he did not reapply anymore. My younger son then also just decided to be on student pass.
2015, Singapore government announce "PRs and foreigners to pay higher school fees from 2016"

For secondary school, increase $100/mth.

You might think $100 increase is not much for you. But they might see differently.
If money was the issue, dont you think 2 years of loss of earnings due to NS would be more damaging than the $100 per increase in school fees?
We were not concerned about the school fees but more of the possibility that SG might just be a short/medium-term assignment for me (hence, I may need to move my family again). I know you understand the implications if they move with NS obligations. But we're still here and as they say, hindsight is always 20/20. Anyway, thanks for all your insights and let's see..

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Post by therat » Fri, 26 Apr 2019 2:29 pm

Wd40 wrote:
therat wrote:
cocoboy wrote:
True enough, my eldest son applied for PR in 2016 while in Sec 3 knowing about his NS obligations. He got rejected and really felt dejected so he did not reapply anymore. My younger son then also just decided to be on student pass.
2015, Singapore government announce "PRs and foreigners to pay higher school fees from 2016"

For secondary school, increase $100/mth.

You might think $100 increase is not much for you. But they might see differently.
If money was the issue, dont you think 2 years of loss of earnings due to NS would be more damaging than the $100 per increase in school fees?
I do come across family apply PR for cheaper school fee.
NS or not, they will settle later.

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Post by Vulcan » Fri, 26 Apr 2019 2:54 pm

Guys,

I guess we missed out my question i posted, how does one appeal for an application that was rejected ?

Is there a procedure ? like prior appointment ? Do we get to reach out the officer who had rejected our papers ? Any thoughts , Please chime in .

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Post by Wd40 » Fri, 26 Apr 2019 3:42 pm

therat wrote:
Wd40 wrote:
therat wrote:
2015, Singapore government announce "PRs and foreigners to pay higher school fees from 2016"

For secondary school, increase $100/mth.

You might think $100 increase is not much for you. But they might see differently.
If money was the issue, dont you think 2 years of loss of earnings due to NS would be more damaging than the $100 per increase in school fees?
I do come across family apply PR for cheaper school fee.
NS or not, they will settle later.
That could be true when children are really young. Not when his son is in Sec 3. Come on, think about it, at that age the window of opportunity to give up PR to escape NS is so thin or non existent. So he must be genuinely ready to do NS if he is applying at that age.

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Post by cocoboy » Fri, 26 Apr 2019 5:38 pm

Wd40 wrote:
therat wrote:
Wd40 wrote:
If money was the issue, dont you think 2 years of loss of earnings due to NS would be more damaging than the $100 per increase in school fees?
I do come across family apply PR for cheaper school fee.
NS or not, they will settle later.
That could be true when children are really young. Not when his son is in Sec 3. Come on, think about it, at that age the window of opportunity to give up PR to escape NS is so thin or non existent. So he must be genuinely ready to do NS if he is applying at that age.

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My son was 8 years old when we received our PR and we were almost on our 2nd year of the original 5-year assignment. So yes, he was willing to do NS (together with his local friends) when he applied while in Sec 3.

Anyway, let's not digress from the OP's question -- OP, sorry if it seemed I have hijacked your thread. We target to finish our application and submit online next week. I will keenly follow this thread, just to be prepared :)

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Post by Vulcan » Fri, 26 Apr 2019 6:36 pm

Thanks cocoboy.

Just sharing the query i posted before , Do you guys advice on how to appeal for an application that was rejected a month ago ? Is there a procedure ? Do we get to reach out the officer who had rejected our papers ? Any thoughts

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Post by singaporeflyer » Fri, 26 Apr 2019 6:46 pm

Vulcan wrote:Thanks cocoboy.

Just sharing the query i posted before , Do you guys advice on how to appeal for an application that was rejected a month ago ? Is there a procedure ? Do we get to reach out the officer who had rejected our papers ? Any thoughts
There is nothing like a standard procedure. Explain in detail to them in writing on why they should consider your application again with supporting documents.

Chances are usually very very low in appeals. Unless, you missed out declaring something that was really really big

There is no chance that you can meet the officer who rejected your case. They will not entertain this, else everyone who gets rejected will want to meet the case officer.

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