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Triple nationalities, NS?

Post by Nick123456 » Tue, 19 Mar 2019 7:21 am

Hi,

I know this topic has been heavily discussed, but I just wanted to double check.

Background; 2 months ago our son was born in Canada (which automatically gives him Canadian Citizenship). My wife is from Singapore and holds the Singaporean nationality. I'm from the Netherlands and have a Dutch citizenship, and I have a Singapore PR.

We are considering applying for his Singaporean Citizenship (before he turns 1).

Scenario A. We get his Singaporean Citizenship and if he decides to keep that citizenship, he will do his NS.

Scenario B. We get his Singaporean Citizenship, and renounce his citizenship before the age of 11, and follow these steps: http://theindependent.sg/how-to-avoid-s ... tizenship/

Question B1; does it negatively impact his future opportunities to work and live in Singapore if he renounces his citizenship? For instance, if he wants to return to Singapore at the age of 25, could it be possible his work permit would be denied because of the renounced citizenship?

Question B2; after the age of 11, could he be living in Singapore, as long as he does not make us of the socio economic benefits? For instance, we pay for private school, private healthcare etc.

Scenario C. We do not apply for his Singaporean Citizenship. I'm not sure on what options are available if we want to live in Singapore (for instance, from when the son is in the age of 8 to 14 (just an example).

Question C1. Does he require a PR in order to live and go to school in Singapore? Does that mean he has to serve NS?

Question c2. Are there are other ways that our son could be with us when we live in Singapore? I would imagine not every kid accompanying expats would require PR, just not sure how this process looks like.


Curious what your thoughts are on the above, or if there are even scenario's we haven't thought of at all.

Many thanks in advance!

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Re: Triple nationalities, NS?

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 19 Mar 2019 5:51 pm

Nick123456 wrote:Hi,

I know this topic has been heavily discussed, but I just wanted to double check.

Background; 2 months ago our son was born in Canada (which automatically gives him Canadian Citizenship). My wife is from Singapore and holds the Singaporean nationality. I'm from the Netherlands and have a Dutch citizenship, and I have a Singapore PR.

We are considering applying for his Singaporean Citizenship (before he turns 1).

Scenario A. We get his Singaporean Citizenship and if he decides to keep that citizenship, he will do his NS.

If he does NS he can then decide if he wants to keep SGC. (He cannot make a decision until he has done NS as he is NOT allowed to renounce UNLESS he has completed his NS) Expecting a pre-11 years old to understand the ramifications is just the parent projecting THEIR wishes.

Scenario B. We get his Singaporean Citizenship, and renounce his citizenship before the age of 11, and follow these steps: http://theindependent.sg/how-to-avoid-s ... tizenship/

Question B1; does it negatively impact his future opportunities to work and live in Singapore if he renounces his citizenship? For instance, if he wants to return to Singapore at the age of 25, could it be possible his work permit would be denied because of the renounced citizenship?

Most definitly, Almost in every instance his application for any type of residency will be impacted. The only thing that will not be affected will be issuance of a Social Visit Pass (SVP), even the odds of getting a LTVP (long term visit pass) will be slim. A work pass will be difficult, if not impossible unless he's a rocket scientist or a neurosurgeon. However, if he does his NS and then renounces, he will always be able to return to work here under a revelent work pass, but the odds of ever being given PR and subsequently SGC are virtually nil.

Question B2; after the age of 11, could he be living in Singapore, as long as he does not make us of the socio economic benefits? For instance, we pay for private school, private healthcare etc.

Yes, as long as he can get a student pass. As soon as he is no longer a student, he will lose that pass and will have to leave Singapore within 30 days. As per my previous statement, the odds of him getting a LTVP or even a EP will be slim to non-existent.

Scenario C. We do not apply for his Singaporean Citizenship. I'm not sure on what options are available if we want to live in Singapore (for instance, from when the son is in the age of 8 to 14 (just an example).

As per my answer above. He will be able to stay here on a Student Visa. It is possible that he could potentially stay on a LTVP as long as he is still a minor but I won't stand by that as I have nothing to back that up with. The cases I know have the child on a Student Visa.

Question C1. Does he require a PR in order to live and go to school in Singapore? Does that mean he has to serve NS?

No, as long as he is in an International School. But as a foreigner, if you are talking about the local school system, it will be virtually impossible as there are not enough spaces for Dependent Pass children to even get a space in a local school. Regarding NS, yes/no. In theory, unless it's changed, the local primary school doesn't trip the socio-economic detonator wires (but it may have changed as my kids are long out of school now) They finish primary at 11 yrs. Maybe somebody else has newer/more relevant info on that regard.

Question c2. Are there are other ways that our son could be with us when we live in Singapore? I would imagine not every kid accompanying expats would require PR, just not sure how this process looks like.


If the parents think about it, where one is a SGC and the other is a PR, there is absolutly no reason for the government to think of a way to release a child from the moral obligation that comes with his birth. The fact that he has/can have dual citizenship still doesn't give him any additional rights. When the parents try to find ways to get a child out of military service, when the facts are obvious by having a Singaporean parent, and some more a PR parent as well (PR does mean PERMANENT regardless of how you look at it, it is idea when it was given to you. So rightly so, the government has a limited manpower pool, and therefore should not make it a skate in the park for parents to try to screw the government when the government went out of they way to give the spouse Permanent Residence. Additionally, if you don't get the child SGC, they the government will automatically know what is up your sleeves as it's been tried and done before and they are now wise to these types of subterfuge.

Curious what your thoughts are on the above, or if there are even scenario's we haven't thought of at all.

Many thanks in advance!
Good luck, you're gonna need it and I hope you make the right decision as you could very well lose your son if you try to plan his life without his input (and as a child he's not yet capable of comprehending the limitations you are thinking about putting on his entire future. There are many of these type of stories in are archives here (usually by the adult children who were screwed by their parents making decisions for them). Harsh? Yep, but it cannot be told any differently, truth be known.

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Re: Triple nationalities, NS?

Post by BBCDoc » Sat, 23 Mar 2019 10:24 am

Simple question, are you trying to avoid your son doing NS or not?

No - get his citizenship and let him do NS in the future.

Yes - nobody can predict an unimpeded future adult working life in Singapore if he does not do NS.

Policies can change in the future to be even more harsh to those born of a Singaporean parent.

It’s a gamble on his life that you both have to make as his parents. He will reap what you sow.




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