Right, finally have time to read and reply to this.sundaymorningstaple wrote:If you gave up your SC your son would not lose his. In fact, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't as that would be the easy way out of NS just immigrate and the parents give up their SC so the boy escapes NS. It doesn't work quite that way. You give up SC, Write letter to CMPB before shortly before his 13th birthday indicating you have immigrated and have given up SC and you are requesting renunciation of your son's SC which can only be accomplished at the age of 21 but as he is taking up foreign citizenship, CMPB will probably grant him the exit permit(s) or have bond/surety posted. Once boy reaches 21, assuming no stumbling along the way (it's a deliberate minefield), He will be free to renounce. Until or unless protocol is followed to the 'T' he will retain his SC (once the gahment has it's claws set it is not easy to escape their clutches without running foul of the law). The whole premise behind the parents giving up their SC is that the gahment figures if the parents are still holding assets in Singapore, the only reason for immigrating (on the surface) was to help male offspring to evade NS and by keeping assets/SG citizenship you are keeping a back door open. And if you think about it, if you are immigrating, why are you still holding SG assets/CPF, etc. It's a valid point if you look at it realistically. But the son, by virtue of his SC will be the one to ultimately pay for the sins of the parents (who do not realize the potential pitfalls of what they are doing). This is why we harp on the worst case scenarios.
I don't, which is why I am using the search function to look at old posts of similar cases and questioning (not arguing) why advises (or conclusions) differ.The Ref wrote:@SMS I think it is obvious the OP thinks he knows far more about this than you which is why he argues with any advise he is given. I believe he is wise enough to make his own decisions.
alvinlwh wrote:
Exited SG on my SGPP and her UKPP. Did have a slight problem entering MY at Second Link with our UKPP where the MY IO noticed that my brand new UKPP has no SG stamp and if entering MY at Second Link, the only possible country one can be from will be SG. Asked me if I am a SPR and I just said yes. Asked for my IC and I presented my pink NRIC and he stamped and waved us through no problem. The reason I have to enter MY with my UKPP is we are applying for my daughter's Malaysian Citizenship by descent without wanting them to know that we are also in fact SC. Returned to SG on my own and entered with my SGPP no problem. Picked up her SGPP at ICA and returned to MY to pick her up with my SGPP, no problem. Returned to SG on both our SGPP, no problem.
Did have another problem at check in back to UK, airline refused me checking in because I did not have a resident permit on a one way (return leg) ticket. Presented my UKPP, checked in, boarded no problem.
Thanks, looks like no SC for my future boy (confirmed on 29 Dec). I will gift him BC only and wife can gift him MC.sundaymorningstaple wrote:Banking accounts are commercial not governmental like CPF or HDB. If you own a condo, not an issue, but if you own a condo and an HDB then it's sleeping policemean or road hump to stumble on. In theory, a CPF account will not do anything except for the fact that it is a government organization, but for a former SG citizen it might. I am familiar with PRs & ex-PRs who have not withdrawn their CPF and even own condo's here. But at the moment not enough time as elapsed to find out what ramifications these will ultimately have. From what we've been given to understand there is not a need for a bond if the exit permit is for less than 1 year (e.g., 364 days). This will be different as in this case is for emigration purposes and the letter before the age of 13 being approved by the CPBM. I don't think there is a 24 month/2yr EP available for emigration purposes but I cannot swear to it. I believe the 2 year EP is for schooling (which could apply as well, but then he will have to do his NS at any rate as he won't have the approval from CMPB for purposes of emigration and ultimately renouncing his SC.
My advice? Let you future son grow up to be a man. Or at least give him the chance to make up his own mind with out you laying all kinds of traps for him to get ensnared in thinking you can pull the eyes over the ICA and Mindef. As oft has been said, too much knowledge is sometimes a dangerous thing in the hands of the wrong people.
Now, I cannot say 100% what SQ check in staff will or will not do, I flew with BA. BUT bare this in mind, the check in staff are NOT SQ, BA or whatever airlines. They are SATS, dnata, or whatever. They are companies working for the airlines, so the same person could be working for Air China one hour and then checking in for Qatar the next.byseeksconseil1 wrote:I am sorry if I am hijacking your post to ask a minor question. I am curious about the paragraph I bolded below. If you present your UK Passport to the airline check-in counter of Changi Airport, and if they make a note of this in their system, does ICA not have access to it? (assuming you are flying on Singapore Airlines)
alvinlwh wrote:
Did have another problem at check in back to UK, airline refused me checking in because I did not have a resident permit on a one way (return leg) ticket. Presented my UKPP, checked in, boarded no problem.
I just want to add, the boarding pass is checked against the ID of the person, with no mention of PP number or country of issue. Basically just name only, not even DOB or sex. As long as the name matches the ID and the ID photo matches the person, security and gate agent will allow boarding. Point here is knowing what each person checks at each point and presenting the right document.PNGMK wrote:I agree with the above. Where dual citizens (with Singapore as one) stuff up is when they try to enter or leave Singapore and present the wrong passport (non-Singapore PP) to Singapore ICA staff who then correlate the name and birth date to a Singaporean or worse still can't find a entry record when the person is trying to exit...
You are not wrong, which is why it is important to have a Plan B is the worst happens. For me, I have 2 Plan Bs.zzm9980 wrote:Anecdotes above are great, but keep in mind technology improves, processes improve, and digital data is forever.
You're a fool to think your personal details (including passport number) aren't recorded by the airline at check and available somewhere. Immigration in the US has ready access from all airlines. Fly to the US, scan your passport on entry, and the kiosk immediately shows you your flight and asks to confirm that's the one you arrived on. They don't even bother to check passports on the way out since the airline provides the data when you leave. You think ICA doesn't (or couldn't) get access to this information and make use of it in the future? The only reason they don't right now is they don't see it as worth their time. The day someone decides it is worth the effort they will, and don't count on a press release to give you advanced warning.
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