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PR Chances Indian Couple with a son

Post by Rakallegal » Thu, 01 Nov 2018 6:39 pm

Hi,
Pr chances for our family.
Husband 35, BTech from India, MS USA, MBA Insead, Principal at reputed consulting company 4+ years in SG.
Salary 400k
Wife 34 LLB from India LLM from Singapore 3 years in SG works in MNC salary 130 k.
One baby boy 20 months.
Wife has taken Chinese classes at Confucian Institute

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Re: PR Chances Indian Couple with a son

Post by singaporeflyer » Thu, 01 Nov 2018 7:35 pm

Rakallegal wrote:Hi,
Pr chances for our family.
Husband 35, BTech from India, MS USA, MBA Insead, Principal at reputed consulting company 4+ years in SG.
Salary 400k
Wife 34 LLB from India LLM from Singapore 3 years in SG works in MNC salary 130 k.
One baby boy 20 months.
Wife has taken Chinese classes at Confucian Institute
Very less chance. In ICA's view, applicants in your salary range and job profile, will not be staying long in SG

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Re: PR Chances Indian Couple with a son

Post by Rakallegal » Fri, 02 Nov 2018 10:37 am

:cry:
We are really keen to stay permanently in SG and bring up our son and any future child\ren here.

So what does the ICA want? Low salary no PR and high salary also no PR.

I had thought our negatives were only our race- Indian.

My husband has pursued his MBA from INSEAD SG and I've pursued LLM from NUS btw.

Apart from race, our salary, our child's gender, higher education in SG, learning Chinese etc won't help? :cry:

Can we apply a few years later and see?Will that show the ICA we're genuinely keen on SG?

We don't want to move back to India.

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Post by singaporeflyer » Fri, 02 Nov 2018 10:50 am

Rakallegal wrote:Low salary no PR and high salary also no PR.
They want people exactly in the middle who will stay here for long and integrate.

Since, both of you studied in SG, you still have a small chance. You can apply now and try..

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Re: PR Chances Indian Couple with a son

Post by Rakallegal » Fri, 02 Nov 2018 10:53 am

Anything else we can do to improve our chances?
We do not have any dependents, parents are financially stable back in India, we have decent savings, parents or in laws have no plans of moving to SG or staying here more than a month in a year.

Will buying property help?

Apart from learning Chinese, we don't have a lot of free time to pursue voluntary work, esp my husband, we need to relax, invest, socialize or spend time with our toddler and anyway voulntary work might make us look opportunistic.

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Post by singaporeflyer » Fri, 02 Nov 2018 10:57 am

Rakallegal wrote:Anything else we can do to improve our chances?
We do not have any dependents, parents are financially stable back in India, we have decent savings, parents or in laws have no plans of moving to SG or staying here more than a month in a year.

Will buying property help?

Apart from learning Chinese, we don't have a lot of free time to pursue voluntary work, esp my husband, we need to relax, invest, socialize or spend time with our toddler and anyway voulntary work might make us look opportunistic.

Property may not really help as you might cash out any time and leave ?

Just do not do anything out of the way to apply for PR. Just apply NOW and see. If rejected, apply again after 2 years.

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Re: PR Chances Indian Couple with a son

Post by Rakallegal » Fri, 02 Nov 2018 10:59 am

Thanks for your inputs, really appreciate
Anyone else with any other inputs?

I had volunteered with Missionaries of Charity SG while I was a student in SG many years back, my husband had founded and run an NGO in India for four years while he was a student there.

Clutching at straws right? :-k

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Re: PR Chances Indian Couple with a son

Post by Rakallegal » Fri, 02 Nov 2018 11:10 am

singaporeflyer wrote:
Rakallegal wrote:Anything else we can do to improve our chances?
We do not have any dependents, parents are financially stable back in India, we have decent savings, parents or in laws have no plans of moving to SG or staying here more than a month in a year.

Will buying property help?

Apart from learning Chinese, we don't have a lot of free time to pursue voluntary work, esp my husband, we need to relax, invest, socialize or spend time with our toddler and anyway voulntary work might make us look opportunistic.

Property may not really help as you might cash out any time and leave ?

Just do not do anything out of the way to apply for PR. Just apply NOW and see. If rejected, apply again after 2 years.
We are ready and keen to do that but if we don't have a PR even after reapplying? What then?

Do we have a high chance in case we reapply (if rejected this time)as we will then demonstrate we have the fortitude and are committed to SG?

We are keen on expanding our family in the near future

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Re: PR Chances Indian Couple with a son

Post by singaporeflyer » Fri, 02 Nov 2018 11:28 am

Rakallegal wrote:
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Rakallegal wrote:Anything else we can do to improve our chances?
We do not have any dependents, parents are financially stable back in India, we have decent savings, parents or in laws have no plans of moving to SG or staying here more than a month in a year.

Will buying property help?

Apart from learning Chinese, we don't have a lot of free time to pursue voluntary work, esp my husband, we need to relax, invest, socialize or spend time with our toddler and anyway voulntary work might make us look opportunistic.

Property may not really help as you might cash out any time and leave ?

Just do not do anything out of the way to apply for PR. Just apply NOW and see. If rejected, apply again after 2 years.
We are ready and keen to do that but if we don't have a PR even after reapplying? What then?

Do we have a high chance in case we reapply (if rejected this time)as we will then demonstrate we have the fortitude and are committed to SG?

We are keen on expanding our family in the near future
You still have a 30% chance on your first attempt, since both of you studied in SG. But, if you stay longer in SG and then apply, it is easy for them to feel that you will stay longer and hence they will consider you for PR.

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 02 Nov 2018 1:26 pm

Quick question. What prompted your husband to take a position here in Singapore initially?
SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers

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Re: PR Chances Indian Couple with a son

Post by Rakallegal » Fri, 02 Nov 2018 3:13 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Quick question. What prompted your husband to take a position here in Singapore initially?
I prompted him.

He was working in USA and keen to work and settle down in a first world country.

I was working in India. We had been dating for about four years then.

Personally I preferred to live and work in India.

One of my classmates from law school got a job in a magic circle law firm in UK, was seconded to SG and loved the place so much that she quit her UK job and got a job in SG.

I visited her and liked SG a lot also its proximity to India appealed to me.

I applied for LLM here as its a Commonwealth country and finding a job would be easier for me here compared to USA.

When my husband was contemplating doing an MBA, I suggested he also apply to INSEAD SG, I also persuaded him to pick INSEAD SG over some Ivy League US MBA's he had got through.Now he too loves SG,he finds it clean,very safe and efficient, loves Bali and all the weekend holiday destinations nearby and the work ethic here, amongst other advantages. Proximity to India is irrelevant to him.

I am personally okay moving to India, my husband doesn't want to consider that option.

He would hate it if we couldn't get PR, some of his engineering college classmates are already citizens in UK.

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 02 Nov 2018 3:48 pm

So, if I read you correctly then, the money being offered here wasn't a draw for him at all. Apply. If rejected (as almost all seem to be on the first application) then reapply in two more years. Maybe you will get lucky. As was noted earlier, High flyers (250~300K/pa up) tend to be looked at sideways as ICA knows in most cases, these type of people will move for 30 ~50K uplift. Obviously, not always, but a high enough percentage that ICA usually figures the odds of getting a new citizen is unlikely at that level. Good Luck.
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Post by BigginHill » Fri, 02 Nov 2018 6:15 pm

Rakallegal wrote:Apart from race, our salary, our child's gender, higher education in SG, learning Chinese etc won't help?
Nope!

Welcome to SG! :D

Of course you should apply - on paper you guys are very qualified. Unfortunately I've seen plenty of people carrying very strong credentials getting turned away. Sometimes it boggles the mind, but it is what it is.

I can only encourage developing a plan B, C... - don't paint yourself into a corner. Getting PR here as a minority race just isn't a done deal & the numbers hard to fight.

But I honestly hope you get it. Good luck.

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Re: PR Chances Indian Couple with a son

Post by Rakallegal » Fri, 02 Nov 2018 8:54 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:So, if I read you correctly then, the money being offered here wasn't a draw for him at all. Apply. If rejected (as almost all seem to be on the first application) then reapply in two more years. Maybe you will get lucky. As was noted earlier, High flyers (250~300K/pa up) tend to be looked at sideways as ICA knows in most cases, these type of people will move for 30 ~50K uplift. Obviously, not always, but a high enough percentage that ICA usually figures the odds of getting a new citizen is unlikely at that level. Good Luck.
Nope money wasn't a factor.

We are going to take a chance and apply anyway :)

And reapply if we don't make it the first time.

While money is important, we love SG, and see ourselves spending our life here, globetrotting for money wouod likely mean we won't be permanent residents of any first world country.My husband doesn't see himself moving back to India.

We prefer SG to all other options, Hong Kong, Dubai, UK, USA,Canada, Australia etc

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Re: PR Chances Indian Couple with a son

Post by Rakallegal » Fri, 02 Nov 2018 8:59 pm

BigginHill wrote:
Rakallegal wrote:Apart from race, our salary, our child's gender, higher education in SG, learning Chinese etc won't help?
Nope!

Welcome to SG! :D

Of course you should apply - on paper you guys are very qualified. Unfortunately I've seen plenty of people carrying very strong credentials getting turned away. Sometimes it boggles the mind, but it is what it is.

I can only encourage developing a plan B, C... - don't paint yourself into a corner. Getting PR here as a minority race just isn't a done deal & the numbers hard to fight.

But I honestly hope you get it. Good luck.
Thank you BigginHill :)

We are going to apply abd probably reapply a couple of times if we don't make it in our first attempt but if we never get PR- what then? :(

At 40+ won't it be late to apply for Canada\Aus etc PR.

My husband wanted to work in USA or UK apart from SG, but it'd be tough to get a Green Card or permanent residency that late in life.

As I persuaded him to choose SG, he would be resentful if we have to move home eventually :(

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