Chances of getting PR

[Copenhagen]

Hi Team,

I'm British and my wife is French and I'm 35 ( my wife 34, both on EP status. We have been here in Singapore for 1.5 Year and we are Phd. Our total income is ~ 19kSGD monthly +60k Annual bonus. We really want to settle here in Singapore and wondering what are our chances of being granted PR at first attempt. Any guess? suggestion ? should we get into volunteering to maximize our chances ?

We would appreciate any advice.

Thanks

[Strong Eagle]

Very low. The chances of either of you giving up your native citizenship to become Singapore citizens are about zero. Chances are also good that even though you live in Singapore, you retain ties to your old countries, like property. You may want to settle in Singapore but as you age you realize a few things... retirement costs, healthcare costs, and your pension scheme. You've been here 1.5 years... that means you've have 10 years or so to start accumulating your pension elsewhere.

You're highly educated. You make lots of dough. You're highly mobile and could move anywhere at the drop of a hat, and probably will do so, if your company and career demands it. You've only been here a short time, not enough time to prove anything.

All this suggests that you're not good long term material. Besides that, you're the wrong race... you don't fit into the nice race boxes the gahmen likes to have. You cloud Singapore's race issues, you're race complicates the grand plans of the authorities.

As for volunteering... if you're volunteering to get something, that's not volunteering, that's business, and the gahmen is well wise to this trick.

If there was a wager on this, I'd bet nay.

[Copenhagen]

Thanks for your prompt reply. I do appreciate.

Nevertheless, I tend to disagree on the whole philosophy you described as being generic. First because I got colleagues who got PR after 2Y with similar profile as us and on a second hand, our aim is really to settle and not being sharks looking after PRs in countries all over the world... We really see ( if MoM agrees ) ourselves in Singapore for a very long time and having PR is just a sign of stability for us. I think linking the PR to the citizenship is a shortcut in the sense that settling down in this country does not imply giving up on our origins.

[sundaymorningstaple]

Good Luck. I fear you are going to need a large dollop of it. Curious. How long ago did your colleagues obtain their PR?

[BBCDoc]

Hi Copenhagen,

My Wife and I both also had PhDs. I am British and she is Japanese. PR rejected first attempt after 2 years stay. We applied another 2 years later when I had changed job and we got it.

Are you in academia on grant-funded position? Or permanent FTE in industry? This can be important factor too since loss of grant could mean your exit from Singapore.


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[Copenhagen]

Good Luck. I fear you are going to need a large dollop of it. Curious. How long ago did your colleagues obtain their PR?

less than 1 year....

[Copenhagen]

Hi Copenhagen,

My Wife and I both also had PhDs. I am British and she is Japanese. PR rejected first attempt after 2 years stay. We applied another 2 years later when I had changed job and we got it.

Are you in academia on grant-funded position? Or permanent FTE in industry? This can be important factor too since loss of grant could mean your exit from Singapore.


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permanent job in banking. singapore contract

[sundaymorningstaple]

Okay, I will change my position a little bit.

I think you will need two large dollops. I do wish you well, but if you are nearing VP/C levels in the financial industry, we've seen our fair share of 3~400K individuals being rejected and have been here longer than you have. Sadly, as Strong Eagle will also tell you the Finance industry is always in a state of flux as most when they reach your level, will leave Singapore at the drop of a hat and ICA is well aware of the fact. How can you convince them you are not that type? I'm not really sure if you can. Good luck, though.