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Citizenship rejected

Postby pgpnus » Mon, 24 Sep 2018 10:28 am

Hi guys,

My citizenship application is rejected after 8 months wait. I need some advice

Age mid 30s. Stayed in SG for 13 years and PR for 9 years (at the time of doc submission). Degree from local Uni. Applied together with my newborn son (on LTVP). From SEA country, "Others" race. Working in a small local IT company. Salary $70+K per anum.

At the same time I also applied PR for my wife (from the same country and race). Age mid 30s. Stayed in SG for 6 years and has been working (on LTVP) for 3 years in an MNC company. Aussie master degree. Salary $50+K per anum. Today wife PR application status is still pending.

What do you guys think the reason of rejection?

If citizenship is too hard for us to get, will apply PR for my son stand a better chance?

Thanks.

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Re: Citizenship rejected

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 24 Sep 2018 10:44 am

Not enough relevant information.

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Re: Citizenship rejected

Postby pgpnus » Mon, 24 Sep 2018 10:53 am

Hi SMS,

Thanks for the comment. What relevant information did I miss out?

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Re: Citizenship rejected

Postby yesitsme » Mon, 24 Sep 2018 1:33 pm

You did not apply for PR for your son? And instead directly applied for Citizenship?

I know of friends who want to be either "all in" or "all out" for their children. i.e they will have sons on LTVP and try for citizenship but will never apply for PR in the interim. Are you on such a boat? I have no idea if ICA has specific position on such applications but if your child stays too long on an LTVP with out PR application then it might not send the right signal for future?

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Re: Citizenship rejected

Postby pgpnus » Mon, 24 Sep 2018 2:36 pm

I thought PR application is only for those who have not decided whether they will go for citizenship. Since we have already decided and citizenship application allows to include a minor, I thought it is just a normal thing to do. My personal feeling is that it looks confusing if one submit PR and citizenship application at the same time. I'm not sure whether the child needs to go through PR as an interim before applying citizenship ...

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Re: Citizenship rejected

Postby bcheng74 » Mon, 24 Sep 2018 2:46 pm

I don’t think foreign child can apply citizenship without being a PR first, unless the children is borne overseas to a Singaporean parent.


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Re: Citizenship rejected

Postby yesitsme » Mon, 24 Sep 2018 3:33 pm

"I thought PR application is only for those who have not decided whether they will go for citizenship"

The stated position seems to be otherwise? Most references I come across on different forums mention PR as a "stepping stone" to Citizenship. If someone does not apply for a PR because he/she would appear undecided, I think this goes against what appears to be general understanding ! May be its just me who thinks this way so please take my opinion with a pinch of salt :)

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Re: Citizenship rejected

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 24 Sep 2018 4:31 pm

Everybody is on about the child on your application. I also feel that this would pose a problem. It would have made more sense if the mother added the child to HER PR application. However, the big elephant in the middle of the room may well have more bearing on it than the child does.

You are playing the artful dodger in this thread, but it's you who has his hat in his hand asking for information. Where are you from may well play a bigger part in this than you know.

If you are from Malaysia and/or Indonesia and ethnically Chinese you have a better chance than most everybody else in S.E.Asia (I didn't say 100% chance as we have seen rejections here as well on rare occasions). If you are from the PRC the odds drop considerably even though you would be Chinese which is the preferred race here. Malaysians from Malaysia also have a decent chance. Immigration here is controlled by ethnicity demographic percentages. Therefore, 75% of the successful ones will generally be ethnic Chinese. Due to the IT push in the first 15 years of this century, Indians were brought in in large numbers due to the proliferation of IT programmers there. In Singapore's quest to be an IT hub, lot's were allowed in and also allowed PR, much to the later dismay of the government here when they found out the most here were just collecting PRs and only out to flip properties for a profit and run to Au, Ca or the UK or US at the first chance. Therefore depriving others who would have actually been happy to call Sg home. The problem now, is that that issue, along with the fact that most from the sub-continent who managed to get into higher positions would only hire other Indians to the exclusion of all others, therefore souring the public and market so much so that now they almost have the hardest time getting PR here. This is following by those in the remaining regional countries who are not of the three major races here. Because these are the smallest percentages of the demographic here there are not too many available slots available annually. While there are not stated quotas, we are pretty sure that there is a cutoff point when it comes to minorities. Those who find it the hardest to get PR here seem to be from the Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand & Myanmar. This is because you are competing in the 2% zone of the demographic which also included all westerners as well as your neighbours as well.

So, with that little bit of knowledge, you can probably see the writing on the wall.

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Re: Citizenship rejected

Postby bro75 » Mon, 24 Sep 2018 9:07 pm

A PR together with LTVP children can apply for citizenship together. Officially, the parent will be approved first and the children will be approved as citizens by descent.


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