throwawaypep wrote:Thanks for the thorough explanation SE, i appreciate it!
You are right, i didn't know that you need a business entity in Singapore to provide goods and services in Singapore.
I scoured the forums even more over the last few days, and i saw this post you made in 2016:
viewtopic.php?t=112275#p753513
Strong Eagle wrote:You have no issues working for Singaporean firms from the UK. They simply pay you as a foreign contractor and they have their own set of corporate tax rules to follow regarding your tax treatment on the company books.
Can a Singapore firm pay a UK resident as a foreign contractor? In this case, the foreign contractor is providing services in Singapore, so doesn't he need to register a company here? Or perhaps you meant that he will register a company here and provide services through it but will continue to reside and pay tax in the UK?
No, he doesn't need to have a registered company here. Let's first be clear that we are talking about arm's length transactions, ie, no shared ownership, no shared management or directorships.
My Singapore company, Acme Pte Ltd, is in need of a technical manual for sheep shearing. Nobody in Singapore knows how to shear sheep, so I contract with a fellow by the name of Monty Goodheart in the UK, who writes up a manual for me under contract. I could have also contracted with Monty's UK company if he had one.
Monty doesn't need a Singapore presence because he doesn't live in Singapore and has no personnel present in Singapore that are providing products or services. He did all the work for me in the UK, and delivered it by post, or more likely, electronically, by PDF. He could even fly into Singapore for a couple of days to demonstrate how to shear sheep without being in violation of any rules.
The key differentiator here, from you, is that that Monty is not resident in Singapore for tax purposes, and, Monty has no other related personnel in Singapore, either. You are resident for tax purposes, a bit different.
To go back to the Dell example I previously used: If Dell _only_ shipped PC's into Singapore to be stocked at Sim Lim or Funan IT Mall shops, and it had no employees in Singapore, then it wouldn't need a legal presence in Singapore. The instant Dell picked up a warm body in Singapore to pedal PC's into those shops, it would need a legal presence.
Let's say you became a Singapore based contractor for Monty's UK based firm. If you performed work for companies that have no presence in Singapore at all, then you need no legal entity per se, and you file your income as an unregistered sole proprietor. But, if you OR Monty provides services in Singapore, that legal entity is now required and you will work for it.
throwawaypep wrote:Strong Eagle wrote:
If you’re working for a Singapore entity that is not your own (ie, an arm’s length relationship)...
In light of what you have shared, i'm thinking of the following plan:
1. Set up an SG registered company (let's call it Raffles Consulting) in which i own no shares and hold no directorship.
2. Set up contracts between Raffles consulting and Singapore companies like Singtel and Starhub.
3. Hire employees in the UK or someplace outside SG to actually do the work.
4. Continue working at my current employer and keep my PEP. When i'm confident, leave my job and join Raffles Consulting. Assuming i can make 144k+ at Raffles Consulting, i won't have to apply for an EP or submit a business plan.
When i make the transition full time to Raffles Consulting, i likely won't be retaining the offshore contractors. Do you think demonstrating an "arm's length relationship" will be a difficult if I am the only employee of this company?
Here's a couple of thoughts about this plan.
- If you are neither a shareholder nor a director of a pte ltd in Singapore, then you are simply a disinterested third party, acting on behalf of someone else that doesn't know how to setup a company. This would typically be a law firm or CPA but it could be anyone, including you.
- But, who is the shareholder? Do you know the shareholder has absolute control over the company, ultimately exercised through resolutions passed at AGM's and EGM's? Who do you trust enough to grant that kind of power to a company that is ultimately intended to be of benefit to you? And who wants to be involved in a company unless they get compensation for their role?
- Who is the director? Directors by law (Companies Act) have nearly absolute authority and responsibility for the governance of a company, which cannot be restricted by articles of incorporation or employment contracts. Most people don't want to be directors because it is their ass on the line for your actions.
- This leaves rented "nominee" directors, and these firms will want to be your accountant, your auditor, and will demand approval authority over bank transactions, contracts, and employment permits, because they don't want to be left holding the bag, should you do something dodgy. I suspect there won't be much interest in being your nominee director, given what your stated goals are.
- This Singapore company, can, of course, employ contractors from anywhere, with the provisions I have stated above... their tax residency is not in Singapore.
- Here's the rub for you. You obviously intend to be managing this Singapore company even though you're not a director or a shareholder. But, "director" has a very special meaning under the Companies Act, and the act takes the time to point out that even if you don't have the title of director, you may still be a director, based upon your job functions.
Here's an example. Frammis Widgets Pte Ltd has hired a "sales executive". She sells the shit out of widgets and pretty soon they promote her to be "director of sales" and hire another grunt to be a "sales executive". Even though this person has the title of "director", she is not a director under the Companies Act because she doesn't materially run the company, but instead sells crap and manages other people who sell crap.
So... the other person in the company holds the title of "general manager", and it is this person handles the hiring and firing of personnel, contracts to purchase widgets for resale, handles bank loans... all the aspects of running the business. Under the Companies Act, this person is a director regardless of title because they have responsibility for running the company.
Do you see where I am going with this? You may think that you're just going to be an employee of a company that you don't own, but your rented director is probably a director for dozens, if not hundreds, of companies, and MoM knows rented directors don't manage companies. While you may fly under the radar, sooner or later it becomes obvious that there is a subterfuge here... and that's assuming you can find a shareholder and director willing to get in bed with you.
That's the bad news. The good news is that I judge you are thinking about all of this in the wrong way. Consider the historical reason for the rule against freelancing. It wasn't there in the beginning. PEP's were also pretty easy to get, an ill thought out employment pass if there ever was one.
You get all these clowns who either can't find a job, or they have a job and they lose it. Under an EP, they'd be out of Singapore in 30 days. With the PEP, they run on down to ACRA and form a pte ltd, and bingo, they now have a company to work for and they don't need to leave Singapore.
Bzzzzttttt!!!! No real work to do. No real clients. Freelancing, as in, "I don't have shit to do, maybe I'll run on down to Penny Black for a pint or two and see if anyone wants to hire me." (Parenthetical note: It can be notoriously difficult to break into consulting/real freelancing in Singapore without a network in place).
But, you sound different. It sounds like you have real live clients that would hire you. You sound like you might be able to demonstrate real experience in running a company. Entrepass requirements have been substantially loosened. And even if you don't go the Entrepass route, you form a company, get a director, apply for an EP, and dump your PEP (and your current company). MoM is well aware that current Entrepass requirements exclude a lot or worthwhile people, and grants employment passes to qualified people who form their own pte ltd's.
http://www.mom.gov.sg/passes-and-permits/entrepass
That's my view. Good luck.