Pre marriage rejected & stvp rejected.

[PNGMK]

Hi,
Need advice from bro and sis here. Me and my viet gf know each other for more then 5 years when she's on WP then.. The employment agency duped her and she was under investigation for forged document during her employment here but she left the country before the investigation concluded 5 years ago. She never step in our shore after that. I go to her country a few times a year for the past 5 years and we feel its time to get married. She's reluctant to come over with me as she's afraid that the authority will open up her case and prosecute her when she land here . I come across this PMLV and would like to know what are the chances for her to come over. She has a point to concern and I do not wish to see her being sent to the jail. I will be 36 this year and she's 28.

You can only try.

[sundaymorningstaple]

Don't bother trying. It will be bounced.

know each other for more then 5 years when she's on WP then..

Before you do anything you need to get permission from the MOM to marry her in the first place as she worked here on WP. ALL WP and former WP holders MUST get permission from the MOM to marry unless the WP was upgraded to an S or EP pass while working here. Otherwise, die-die. PMLV no use unless already have permission from MOM. If she has unresolved issues with MOM or ICA I'd say she is in for a rough road.

[easy123]

Thanks bro for the advice.Whats the rational from MOM for us to request for this permission. Are WP holders lower class people? Also does it mean that she can't even transit in Singapore as we intend to go Bali. We just want to settle down and built our family here.

[sundaymorningstaple]

To your first question, in the eyes of MOM, yes. If you are a SGC then you should remember at least hearing about the graduate mother's scheme or the O level parents that LKY tried to use for social engineering. The rational is that smarter parents, in theory, should produce smarter offspring. However the last two generations of Singaporean has surely proven the lie to that.

As you only need a N level to get a work permit, you need at least a diploma (with 5-10 years experience) or a degree to get an S pass (a diploma won't do it by itself). Therefore the chances of having a smarter offspring (using Sg gov't think) are higher and therefore if a local wants to marry someone of low educational levels, they also probably don't have high education either therefore the government want to be able to hopefully either stop them from producing sub-level offspring or forcing the SGC to emigrate to the spouse's country to raise a sub-level family. Yeah, it's wrong and crude, but it their ball and their pitch so they get to make the rules. So, if you don't get permission, then there is a possibility of marrying outside of Singapore and if you manage to knock her up before coming back to Singapore, they will probably get her a 1 year ltvp (in order to let her deliver the child here - you are SGC so the child is entitled to SGC. however, at the end of the year's LTVP their is a good chance that her LTVP will NOT be renewed and she will be sent packing. If she didn't get her own country's citizenship for the infant, then she will have to leave the baby here and you will be stuck with raising her yourself.

I know. My nephew fell into that trap and because he was not making any money and in NS, I ended up taking care of the baby from the age of 1. She will start Sec 1 next year and she is still living with me and her mother still cannot return to Singapore. (no they didn't get permission and got married in her country). Ignore my warning at your own peril.

[sundaymorningstaple]

Yes she can transit Singapore as long as she doesn't try to come through immigration. But without knowing all the facts of her earlier problems I won't estimate her chances if you try to bring her through immigration into Singapore itself.

[easy123]

sorry to hear about your experience. meeting up with my gf a few times a year and staying over usually for at least a week has been affecting my working schedule. Luckily I have a understanding boss whom empathise with I have been thru. I have been saving up as well in case. Also do you mean your nephew actually ROM in his wife country while she comes over and giving birth in Sg.

[sundaymorningstaple]

She was pregnant before they got married, but without permission they couldn't ROM in Sg so they married in her country. After they were married she came to Singapore on a SVP and then applied for LTVP (married and pregnant) The gave her a LTVP for 1 year in order to let her give birth and nurse for a while, but wouldn't renew it (probably because the child wasn't a male child that the SG government could use for cannon fodder) Once they found that out, she wasn't needed any more. The MOM and ICA can be rather vindictive when they want to.

[easy123]

That's exactly I m worrying if she were to get pregnant and she's unable to come over to stay with me in my country. We are prepared to get married anytime.