2nd Gen ex-PR wanting to return

[mzees]

I understand renouncing will have some nasty effects, this is clear, but it is a different story when one is simply refused pass to work or even longer stay, and different if the country considers such person a criminal. So what would be the case for having it canceled before enlistment but after 13?

Has the second gen PR in question received official notices for either call up or applying for an exit permit?

The 2nd gen. in question just started primary, so it is really about proper planning. Under right circumstances I don't see problems with serving. Learning discipline, getting fit, friendships often for life, but financial stability for the whole family comes first and hard to predict what may happen in coming years. Getting older doesn't help and limit the choices. At one point we may need to leave Singapore and we want to do it the way so this 2nd gen can still visit the country were he was born.

[PNGMK]

Has the second gen PR in question received official notices for either call up or applying for an exit permit?

The 2nd gen. in question just started primary, so it is really about proper planning. Under right circumstances I don't see problems with serving. Learning discipline, getting fit, friendships often for life, but financial stability for the whole family comes first and hard to predict what may happen in coming years. Getting older doesn't help and limit the choices. At one point we may need to leave Singapore and we want to do it the way so this 2nd gen can still visit the country were he was born.

There's some confusion about '2nd Gen PR'. Second gen PR is a child born to someone who is ALREADY as PR I believe. Was the child born to the father when the father was a PR or did the child apply for PR as part of the family? If the latter then the child is first gen PR and no obligation incurred.

[sundaymorningstaple]

https://www.singaporeexpats.com/resourc ... -to-ns.htm

Also from the Explanatory Notes to the Form 4 PR application notes....

National Service Liability

13. Under the Enlistment Act, all male Singapore Citizens
and Permanent Residents, unless exempted are liable
to register for National Service (NS). Following the
completion of full-time NS, they will be required to serve
up to 40 days of Operationally Ready National Service
(ORNS) per year for the duration of their ORNS training
cycle till the age of 50 years (for officers) or 40 years
(for other ranks).

14. Main applicants who are granted PR status under the
Professionals /Technical Personnel and Skilled Workers
(PTS) Scheme or the Investor Scheme are exempted
from NS. Male children who are granted PR status
under their parents' sponsorship are liable for NS under
the Enlistment Act. They are required to register for NS
upon reaching 16 ½ years old and will be scheduled for
enlistment at the earliest opportunity upon reaching 18
years old. If they are pursuing full-time studies,
deferment from full-time NS may be granted only if they
meet the deferment conditions stipulated by the Ministry
of Defence which can be found at http://www.ns.sg.
All NS-liable males aged 13 years old and above, are
required to obtain an Exit Permit (EP) when travelling
overseas for 3 months or more.

15. NS-liable PRs are expected to serve NS. Renouncing
or losing one's PR status without serving or completing
full-time NS would have an adverse impact on any
immediate or future applications to work or study in
Singapore, or for Singapore citizenship or PR status.
Renouncing or losing one’s PR status without serving or
completing full-time NS may also adversely affect any
immediate or future applications for renewal of Re-entry
Permits made by one’s family members or sponsors.

16. Males who are granted Singapore PR, and who were
previously Singapore Citizens or Singapore Permanent
Residents, are liable to be called up for NS regardless
of the type of PR status they have been granted. For
further enquiries, please write to:-
Central Manpower Base
CMPB Podium
3, Depot Road
Singapore 109680
Contact no(s): 1800-3676767 (local)
65-65676767 (overseas)
Email: contact@ns.sg