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Renounced citizenship / rejected EP. HELP!

Postby Help_ep » Sun, 17 Dec 2017 4:01 am

Hi all

newbie on forum. Can't seem to find previous discussion on forum. Please help!

In short, born in singapore. I was a sickly child and was in and out of hospital a lot. As it was pollution / allergen related illness, the medical advise was to relocate or surgery. Remember, this was a non-mrt days of SG.

At great financial cost, my family migrated to Australia when I was 8 years old.

My father, being a diligent man, did all the necessary paperwork to ensure that there were no obligations for national service (confirmed by MINDEF) and renounced citizenship for the whole family when I was 11.This was mainly to access his CPF to buy a house.

Fast forward 25 years. I have fortunately built a career in finance. I was offered a terrific job in SG for >$20k per month. I was so happy as it was THE perfect role! I was looking forward to introducing my young sons to all their extended relatives, and who knows, they would probably reintegrate and undertake NS in the future.

All dreams disintegrated when EP was declined. A little odd (to me), as initial reason was I didn't do NS (which I confirmed I was not liable for) and the reason then changed to the fact I renounced citizenship

Company does not want to appeal after speaking to MOM. Why is this? Surely right to appeal does not punish a company in future?

I am aware that MOM have approve 65 permits yearly for people who have renounced citizenship. A small number, but I thought it proves there is a chance?

Also, if salary is indication of specialisation, it would be difficult to find a local hire (who has requisite experience).

Secondly, given taxes and cost of living, I have no doubt that it meant $20k per month straight into the economy from my salary. Beyond that, my role was to champion Singapore financial services so if I was any good at my job, it meant $millions to be brought to SG.

Surely also, singapore would prefer to have someone who can integrate into their society easily rather than a foreigner who is there purely for self interest?

I am beyond distraught at the predicament!

Any help or reference to professional services that could assist?
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Postby PNGMK » Sun, 17 Dec 2017 2:31 pm

20k is on par for a good local finance manager in an MNC. You're nothing special here and good on the government for picking this up. I've known candidates with far better prospects to hit the same road block. (C-suite candidates who's parents did the same as yours, it's a one way ticket unless it's something they really need and that won't be financial services).
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Postby PNGMK » Tue, 19 Dec 2017 7:16 am

Oh FFS I didn't capture this cowards original post. Can a mod replace it so he can live on in infamy?
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Postby Strong Eagle » Tue, 19 Dec 2017 7:33 am

PNGMK wrote:Oh FFS I didn't capture this cowards original post. Can a mod replace it so he can live on in infamy?


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Postby Barnsley » Tue, 19 Dec 2017 10:01 am

Help_ep wrote:Hi all

newbie on forum. Can't seem to find previous discussion on forum. Please help!

In short, born in singapore. I was a sickly child and was in and out of hospital a lot. As it was pollution / allergen related illness, the medical advise was to relocate or surgery. Remember, this was a non-mrt days of SG.

At great financial cost, my family migrated to Australia when I was 8 years old.

My father, being a diligent man, did all the necessary paperwork to ensure that there were no obligations for national service (confirmed by MINDEF) and renounced citizenship for the whole family when I was 11.This was mainly to access his CPF to buy a house.

Fast forward 25 years. I have fortunately built a career in finance. I was offered a terrific job in SG for >$20k per month. I was so happy as it was THE perfect role! I was looking forward to introducing my young sons to all their extended relatives, and who knows, they would probably reintegrate and undertake NS in the future.

All dreams disintegrated when EP was declined. A little odd (to me), as initial reason was I didn't do NS (which I confirmed I was not liable for) and the reason then changed to the fact I renounced citizenship

Company does not want to appeal after speaking to MOM. Why is this? Surely right to appeal does not punish a company in future?

I am aware that MOM have approve 65 permits yearly for people who have renounced citizenship. A small number, but I thought it proves there is a chance?

Also, if salary is indication of specialisation, it would be difficult to find a local hire (who has requisite experience).

Secondly, given taxes and cost of living, I have no doubt that it meant $20k per month straight into the economy from my salary. Beyond that, my role was to champion Singapore financial services so if I was any good at my job, it meant $millions to be brought to SG.

Surely also, singapore would prefer to have someone who can integrate into their society easily rather than a foreigner who is there purely for self interest?

I am beyond distraught at the predicament!

Any help or reference to professional services that could assist?


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Re: Renounced citizenship / rejected EP. HELP!

Postby bcheng74 » Tue, 19 Dec 2017 12:26 pm

Were you and whole family native local Singaporeans before you emigrated to Australia?


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Postby PNGMK » Wed, 20 Dec 2017 2:58 am

bcheng74 wrote:Were you and whole family native local Singaporeans before you emigrated to Australia?


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I doubt they were descendants of the Bugis.
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Re: Renounced citizenship / rejected EP. HELP!

Postby Help_ep » Thu, 21 Dec 2017 4:50 am

(Update)

To assist anyone who is looking at this in future. Company has been fantastic and decided to move me to HK HQ instead - so will not be pursuing SG EP after all. Now, how to fit family of 5 into a 1 bed apartment. :?

Althorugh, still hold great affinity and respect for SG. Internet is good for some info, but ultimately speaking to people, I have met with people who have renounced and are now living and working in SG. No vindictiveness on approval process. Each appraised individually. Good luck if you fall in same category.


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