Plastic and cosmetic surgery abroad

[osaka1002]

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I am wondering there are people can build their nose high with just eating animal cartilage

maybe you can post your photo with now, 1 year ago or maybe 1 year later

I think it will be no difference

eat natural food or animal cartilage may help to keep our body away from disease, or keep our body health

But to build a nose high..... I don't think so

sorry to say that, but it's my opinion, and I think it's true

[Shiyun777]

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I am wondering there are people can build their nose high with just eating animal cartilage

maybe you can post your photo with now, 1 year ago or maybe 1 year later

I think it will be no difference

eat natural food or animal cartilage may help to keep our body away from disease, or keep our body health

But to build a nose high..... I don't think so

sorry to say that, but it's my opinion, and I think it's true

No difference? U bet! Anyway I will post my nose photo 1 year after and u shall see the difference. Have you look at the mongolians' nose before ? How sturdy and strong and the height of their nose?

What do mongolians consume ? sheep, mutton, beef. Look at those people who took mutton on a frequent basis, who also consume their cartilages, how is their nose different from the ignorant mainstream ?

Of course DNA plays a part, but generally it helps to build yr nose as well. Anyway, I've always been complimented on my nose and it's all natural, you may stick to your thinking that it's impossible but too bad, those who are willing to try and be patient will know the results. For those whom had never eaten these b4, it may grant you 3 years to see a good yield.

3 years are not long either, it's reliable and minus all complications of nose warping from surgery, I just don't see any harm/disadvantages in in trying this.

Tell u this, I actually went to consult a senior consultant in SGH when I was 25 for nose surgery, I wanted to make my nose even higher but he declined to do for me. He mentioned from what he had observed, my nose is already higher and above the average noses of his patient. He said it's unnesscessary to do it since my nose actually look nice.

And I was not happy with what he said, I wanted to really confirm his observation, I went to another surgeon. Guess what > ? this doc told me that if I insist on surgery he would only make a 1-2mm increament for me at the most and nothing more because it won't suit my face otherwise.

And another surgeon doubted me when I request for nose surgery, he asked me if I did already had any surgery done to my nose because he think it looks nice and better than the average noses he seen , questioning am I there for a revision.

But hey! It's ALL NATURAL! So I decided to let nature work again hopefully to gain another 1-2mm by investing on the right food. Honestly, seeing many had the complications requiring further revision few years down the road, I really have my second thoughts on operating the nose.

[Shiyun777]

I've consulted a nutritionist on that and it's confirmed that the body does build up itself and grow throughout the stages of our life.

We are made up by what we eat. Take for e.g if anyone has injured their cartilage or have inflammation, what will Dr. prescribe for them? GSM.
GSM will eventually help that part to heal, to recover and buildup.

And of course, do not get yr ans from generally cosmetic surgeon, a cosmetic surgeon specialize more on re-making, re-moulding the external facade rather than understandly deeply about physiology.

I've always found what's deeper beyond the external body structures fascinating. The body has an amazing ability to heal and reconstruct by itself which many don't know and most often, if they are gullible & naive enough, they short cut with surgery and seemingly in the healthcare sectors, there will be some docs whom will grant you for surgery easily.

The older generation are wiser and they certainly do not believe whatever docs tell them even if they are docs. What's the big deal with a title of a dr.? A doctor is trained to tell what they learn in medical school. And how many times are the result sucessful? If we are to conduct a national survey on the no. of surgeries turned bad/complicated leaving more problems, and see all the hell and suffering which a patient has to go through post surgery, you will never treat the words of docs 'godlike' i.e infallible.

Personally I had witnessed these in people where my bf's friend from America points out - even in America, sad cases do exist and it really is sad to see them suffered even more after surgery and the docs just never get penalized and they continue in their practice. They will talk their way out even with patient's misfortune post surgery and never take the blame. Many people can't do anything to these doc or get any better from the doc to how they used to be before & have to suffer with the even more complicated conditions instead, ain't this misfortune to them coupled with a blow to the mind? and given their vexed and 'bruised' conditions, how many will have the spirit to persist a legal fight ? Even with trying to sue the docs, the compensation they get is only minimal to the physical trauma and mental trauma they had to go through. My bf's friend work as a private nurse in America and had seen many cases.

And here in sg, if such misfortunes ever occured, I think the most is only to feedback the Medical Advisory Board. They will certainly take note from there. Personally I think there's No point suing the doc as it seems they don't get penalized even in cases of patient's death. Read the news and you will see. a few had been published in the Straits Times before, patient dying after liposuction, patient dying after the GP had dismissed them from polyclinics , patients dying from misdiagnosis.

Ain't there a recent TVbroadcasting on the dangers of botox injection this year>? That it can actually affect breathing and is a procedure which should not be done as often ?

Ask yourself with true conscience, does these patients deserve to suffer like that while the doc, being much higher in status & education, got away with his error/misjudgments/mis-diagnosis? Do you know per year how many surgeries gone bad in Sg or in America? Wake up, all these will never be transparently declared and published. And stop thinking that the words of docs are highly valuable and trustworthy. Even until today, many doctors do not have complete knowledge on the human body, so what makes their opinions a deemed 'absolute' ?

In my network, there are many nurses I know and they too agree that the right diet can do wonders. A nurse I know, will gallstones infection and growth did not listen to the doc's advise to go 4 surgery, and through patience with diet, her episode of gallstones infection healed thoroughly , even the doc are amazed with the recovery just by food after a later stage of examnination.

trust me, I have tons of medical books on human anatomy and physiology and come from food and nutrition background. It has occured to me either some docs just treat patients as 'pawns for profits' or they indeed do not have as much knowledge on physiology (the functional aspect of the human body) as those who are serving the goals of health and medicine.]

[victorie]

Hi joop,
wow i've never heard that one before..has it been proven before? its worth giving a try if you're not kidding (:

hi babyangel and scarred,
there are also certain decolourisations in my skin (black patches) that resulted from bruises when i was young. it's sorta like black colour patches on the skin and im looking to remove them. im not sure who should i consult..is it a dermatologist or?
thanks!

Try rubbing with lemon..?

[yca]

Tanjhj,

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[aadvark]

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Show me the result

I am wondering there are people can build their nose high with just eating animal cartilage

maybe you can post your photo with now, 1 year ago or maybe 1 year later

I think it will be no difference

eat natural food or animal cartilage may help to keep our body away from disease, or keep our body health

But to build a nose high..... I don't think so

sorry to say that, but it's my opinion, and I think it's true

No difference? U bet! Anyway I will post my nose photo 1 year after and u shall see the difference. Have you look at the mongolians' nose before ? How sturdy and strong and the height of their nose?

What do mongolians consume ? sheep, mutton, beef. Look at those people who took mutton on a frequent basis, who also consume their cartilages, how is their nose different from the ignorant mainstream ?

Of course DNA plays a part, but generally it helps to build yr nose as well. Anyway, I've always been complimented on my nose and it's all natural, you may stick to your thinking that it's impossible but too bad, those who are willing to try and be patient will know the results. For those whom had never eaten these b4, it may grant you 3 years to see a good yield.

3 years are not long either, it's reliable and minus all complications of nose warping from surgery, I just don't see any harm/disadvantages in in trying this.

Tell u this, I actually went to consult a senior consultant in SGH when I was 25 for nose surgery, I wanted to make my nose even higher but he declined to do for me. He mentioned from what he had observed, my nose is already higher and above the average noses of his patient. He said it's unnesscessary to do it since my nose actually look nice.

And I was not happy with what he said, I wanted to really confirm his observation, I went to another surgeon. Guess what > ? this doc told me that if I insist on surgery he would only make a 1-2mm increament for me at the most and nothing more because it won't suit my face otherwise.

And another surgeon doubted me when I request for nose surgery, he asked me if I did already had any surgery done to my nose because he think it looks nice and better than the average noses he seen , questioning am I there for a revision.

But hey! It's ALL NATURAL! So I decided to let nature work again hopefully to gain another 1-2mm by investing on the right food. Honestly, seeing many had the complications requiring further revision few years down the road, I really have my second thoughts on operating the nose.

how would your body know where to target the cartilage u consume? cartilage is all over the body.

i do agree that the body has miraculous healing abilities and growing abilities, which is why people's features change as they grow older.

but if you do consume huge amts of cartilage, how will you know it won't go straight to your ears or your knees or your ribs? even if you are the lucky few whom it works for, i doubt it works for everyone.

[Shiyun777]

Well, it will work if you take in the right food for the body.

I know thw human body is wonderfully , amazingly created. All parts of our body will develop and grow if you eat the right food.

Unless you are overwight and of big size, you may not like this idea.

The cartilage growth destribution is all over like u say, and every genes govern varying distribution.

But not to worry, our ears will not grow significantly after puberty. Our ribs will get more well developed, our knees and joints, & a little of the nose throughout our stages in life.

The bulbous tips will improve in overall definition as the nose gets higher and do take in calcium too,

Unless once is borned with big bone size, they may not be pleasing that their bone growth is getting bigger, however, I always advocate what's healthy, to me bigger bones = more strength and more capable to take blows, bigger force. Infact, I'd always envied the american sizes, To me it's beauty, the typical asian sizes look too thin and haggard to me. Which is why I had mentioned b4, to be internationally accepted as beautiful, a woman should stand at least a height of 1.75m, this is still my ideal aesthetic.

[Shiyun777]

Of course eating cartilage will attribute to growth all over the cartilaginous regions of the body.

The nose is only part of it.

Which is why i say eating cartilage will help build the nose, I didn't say eating cartilage will build only the nose, you r the one who create/build this impression.

[lil_ab]

omg, i saw something unsightly from the human pit

[kyys]

I don't think that eating cartilages will build up the nose bridge. What about the African Americans ? I believe there are African Americans who have ample cartilages in their diets, yet doesn't have high nose bridge.

[dimensionspectrum]

omg, i saw something unsightly from the human pit

Yea..Peeps, pls be careful when u take pics!...

[nosecraze]

I've consulted a nutritionist on that and it's confirmed that the body does build up itself and grow throughout the stages of our life.

We are made up by what we eat. Take for e.g if anyone has injured their cartilage or have inflammation, what will Dr. prescribe for them? GSM.
GSM will eventually help that part to heal, to recover and buildup.

And of course, do not get yr ans from generally cosmetic surgeon, a cosmetic surgeon specialize more on re-making, re-moulding the external facade rather than understandly deeply about physiology.

I've always found what's deeper beyond the external body structures fascinating. The body has an amazing ability to heal and reconstruct by itself which many don't know and most often, if they are gullible & naive enough, they short cut with surgery and seemingly in the healthcare sectors, there will be some docs whom will grant you for surgery easily.

The older generation are wiser and they certainly do not believe whatever docs tell them even if they are docs. What's the big deal with a title of a dr.? A doctor is trained to tell what they learn in medical school. And how many times are the result sucessful? If we are to conduct a national survey on the no. of surgeries turned bad/complicated leaving more problems, and see all the hell and suffering which a patient has to go through post surgery, you will never treat the words of docs 'godlike' i.e infallible.

Personally I had witnessed these in people where my bf's friend from America points out - even in America, sad cases do exist and it really is sad to see them suffered even more after surgery and the docs just never get penalized and they continue in their practice. They will talk their way out even with patient's misfortune post surgery and never take the blame. Many people can't do anything to these doc or get any better from the doc to how they used to be before & have to suffer with the even more complicated conditions instead, ain't this misfortune to them coupled with a blow to the mind? and given their vexed and 'bruised' conditions, how many will have the spirit to persist a legal fight ? Even with trying to sue the docs, the compensation they get is only minimal to the physical trauma and mental trauma they had to go through. My bf's friend work as a private nurse in America and had seen many cases.

And here in sg, if such misfortunes ever occured, I think the most is only to feedback the Medical Advisory Board. They will certainly take note from there. Personally I think there's No point suing the doc as it seems they don't get penalized even in cases of patient's death. Read the news and you will see. a few had been published in the Straits Times before, patient dying after liposuction, patient dying after the GP had dismissed them from polyclinics , patients dying from misdiagnosis.

Ain't there a recent TVbroadcasting on the dangers of botox injection this year>? That it can actually affect breathing and is a procedure which should not be done as often ?

Ask yourself with true conscience, does these patients deserve to suffer like that while the doc, being much higher in status & education, got away with his error/misjudgments/mis-diagnosis? Do you know per year how many surgeries gone bad in Sg or in America? Wake up, all these will never be transparently declared and published. And stop thinking that the words of docs are highly valuable and trustworthy. Even until today, many doctors do not have complete knowledge on the human body, so what makes their opinions a deemed 'absolute' ?

In my network, there are many nurses I know and they too agree that the right diet can do wonders. A nurse I know, will gallstones infection and growth did not listen to the doc's advise to go 4 surgery, and through patience with diet, her episode of gallstones infection healed thoroughly , even the doc are amazed with the recovery just by food after a later stage of examnination.

trust me, I have tons of medical books on human anatomy and physiology and come from food and nutrition background. It has occured to me either some docs just treat patients as 'pawns for profits' or they indeed do not have as much knowledge on physiology (the functional aspect of the human body) as those who are serving the goals of health and medicine.

Sorry, but even though I really appreciate that you decided to share with us your own recipe in having a higher nose bridge through non-surgical methods.
But this thread, as similar to the other threads available here are meant for fellow users to know more about surgical plastic surgery and not a thread to impose or influence your ideology onto others.

It's fine mentioning it once or twice, but now it seems that you are rather forceful and insistent on your beliefs.
There is really no need to keep harping on your personal opinions because we don't really want to know.
And its starting to feel rather offensive because I feel condescended by your comments.

Btw, if you've noticed.
You have contradicted yourself in your own personal essay.
You speak of not trusting doctors and how not reliable their advice are and how we should not take what they dish out to us just because they are doctors.
And yet, you quoted how true your friend's friend and american nurse advice is and how you have tons of medical books and advice from a senior doctor or a nutritionist.

But have it occurred to you once that such books are ultimately written by doctors themselves?

Did you know body builders also consume animal cartilages?

And also, my dear.
Your nose bridge is not that 'high'.

So please,
let us get back to our thread's topic.
=)

Thanks.

[Shiyun777]

I don't think that eating cartilages will build up the nose bridge. What about the African Americans ? I believe there are African Americans who have ample cartilages in their diets, yet doesn't have high nose bridge.

I did mention DNA plays a part. Read ot for yrself and stop omitting facts from my point.

Anyway, I wouldn't wanna argue with anyone here, this is not my intention and if you consider all the points I had sated out , Any sincere doctor or nutritionist will tell you the same as I did .

Eating cartilage will benefit the nose as the body get developed and grow throughout the stages of life. And of course the distribution of cartilage to the nose is only a little as compared to the distribution to the ribs, joints of the body, which tend to be more.

Go have surgery on nose if you will, really none of my business anyway. Risk all the complications to yrself, it don't affect me in anyway, often I try to help by offering what I know. But since it's getting misunderstood and almost ridiculed, I'll take my peace and rest my case.

[Shiyun777]

To : Nosecraze,

The reason I keep on going on this is because i received several doubts like what u can see for yrselfin the forum here , forumners (Aadvark, Osaka1002) keen on questioning me at , if I don't response to their doubts, it furthered creates the impression that I'm stating something which can be cannot be explained.

I have to explain because there are questionings and stop confusing my actions with yr impressions, you come in much later in the pic, did not even consider the fact which I had to reply on this topic several times is because of the doubts the rest has on it.

I do not contraditc myself, what I'm trying to point out is there are different docs with different opinions, some docs opinions or decisions will benefit us while others don't. and due to complications which arized after surgery (like what we can see obviosuly in the postings by forumners) , it's best not to treat the words of doctors as an absolute, should they grant u for surgery.

I am trying to help some of them here to understand that it's safer to rely on natrural food than naively choosing surgery as we can see that there are indeed complications experienced by the forumners here who had nose surgery.

I'm sorry if you create / build such impression on me. Certainly, I never meant to force my idealogy on anyone here, I shall not explain further here, and if anyone still keen to take on the subject like what a few others here have shown by their questionings at me, perhaps you guys can pm me so I will do all explainations in private instead of posting in the mains, which can be a mere misimpression, misunderstanding to another here.

I do not appreciate people taking a point from my explanations and ommiting the others factual standings which I had also pointed out, and misapproprating it into your version, the impression which I have on you is that you are trying to distort the points which are already stated there , creating a confusion to yourself. Consider all the points I've stated.

Nose craze, Read my post again. Take a point of it and omitting the rest out and questions me again and again. Jumping to yr own judgements.This is what is happening now. Ridiculous ?!

And yes, if by answering to questions posed to me by other forumners means an implication of forcing my idealogy on them, then it will make most of the forumners here too, under yr implications of harping on the subject since they had also provided several rounds of personal opinions in their post on a subject , responding similarly, providing their stands to questions/doubts posed by others.

Nosexzraze, Correct me if I'm wrong, but honestly, I sense your prejudice here. Even doctors themselves have varying/different opinions from one another, and each may provide few rounds of clarifications to clear doubts, it's normal for people to explain to clear the air of questions .... and myself having a different opinion from some here, by responding to their questions/doubts, I don't think it's forcing myself through with my idealogies.

Providing the quotes of those who had questioned me :

sorry

I don't think eat animal's cartilage will help to build your nose cartilage
our nose cartilage is full developed after 18 years.

If eating animal cartilage can build your nose cartilage
how about your ear cartilage? rib cartilage? joint cartilage?
will they all grow up at the same time?

It's a wrong idea
you can ask any doctor if eat animal cartilage will help to build your nose
I don't think so

OK

Show me the result

I am wondering there are people can build their nose high with just eating animal cartilage

maybe you can post your photo with now, 1 year ago or maybe 1 year later

I think it will be no difference

eat natural food or animal cartilage may help to keep our body away from disease, or keep our body health

But to build a nose high..... I don't think so

sorry to say that, but it's my opinion, and I think it's true

OK

Show me the result

I am wondering there are people can build their nose high with just eating animal cartilage

maybe you can post your photo with now, 1 year ago or maybe 1 year later

I think it will be no difference

eat natural food or animal cartilage may help to keep our body away from disease, or keep our body health

But to build a nose high..... I don't think so

sorry to say that, but it's my opinion, and I think it's true

No difference? U bet! Anyway I will post my nose photo 1 year after and u shall see the difference. Have you look at the mongolians' nose before ? How sturdy and strong and the height of their nose?

What do mongolians consume ? sheep, mutton, beef. Look at those people who took mutton on a frequent basis, who also consume their cartilages, how is their nose different from the ignorant mainstream ?

Of course DNA plays a part, but generally it helps to build yr nose as well. Anyway, I've always been complimented on my nose and it's all natural, you may stick to your thinking that it's impossible but too bad, those who are willing to try and be patient will know the results. For those whom had never eaten these b4, it may grant you 3 years to see a good yield.

3 years are not long either, it's reliable and minus all complications of nose warping from surgery, I just don't see any harm/disadvantages in in trying this.

Tell u this, I actually went to consult a senior consultant in SGH when I was 25 for nose surgery, I wanted to make my nose even higher but he declined to do for me. He mentioned from what he had observed, my nose is already higher and above the average noses of his patient. He said it's unnesscessary to do it since my nose actually look nice.

And I was not happy with what he said, I wanted to really confirm his observation, I went to another surgeon. Guess what > ? this doc told me that if I insist on surgery he would only make a 1-2mm increament for me at the most and nothing more because it won't suit my face otherwise.

And another surgeon doubted me when I request for nose surgery, he asked me if I did already had any surgery done to my nose because he think it looks nice and better than the average noses he seen , questioning am I there for a revision.

But hey! It's ALL NATURAL! So I decided to let nature work again hopefully to gain another 1-2mm by investing on the right food. Honestly, seeing many had the complications requiring further revision few years down the road, I really have my second thoughts on operating the nose.

how would your body know where to target the cartilage u consume? cartilage is all over the body.


i do agree that the body has miraculous healing abilities and growing abilities, which is why people's features change as they grow older.

but if you do consume huge amts of cartilage, how will you know it won't go straight to your ears or your knees or your ribs? even if you are the lucky few whom it works for, i doubt it works for everyone.

I did mentioned in my earlier posts that eating cartilage will attribute growth over the cartilage area of the body didn't I ? I never confined it only to the nose.

We are made up by what we eat. Take for e.g if anyone has injured their cartilage or have inflammation, what will Dr. prescribe for them? GSM.
GSM will eventually help that part to heal, to recover and buildup.

I don't think that eating cartilages will build up the nose bridge. What about the African Americans ? I believe there are African Americans who have ample cartilages in their diets, yet doesn't have high nose bridge.

I did mention DNA plays a part. Read ot for yrself and stop omitting facts from my point.

Anyway, I wouldn't wanna argue with anyone here, this is not my intention and if you consider all the points I had sated out , Any sincere doctor or nutritionist will tell you the same as I did .

Eating cartilage will benefit the nose as the body get developed and grow throughout the stages of life. And of course the distribution of cartilage to the nose is only a little as compared to the distribution to the ribs, joints of the body, which tend to be more.

Go have surgery on nose if you will, really none of my business anyway. Risk all the complications to yrself, it don't affect me in anyway, often I try to help by offering what I know. But since it's getting misunderstood and almost ridiculed, I'll take my peace and rest my case.

[Shiyun777]

And also, my dear.
Your nose bridge is not that 'high'.

So please,
let us get back to our thread's topic.
=)

Thanks.

To : Nosecraze,

I did not state in any of my post , that I build my nose bridge high by eating cartilage. I didn't think it's high either (otherwise I'd not have thoughts of nose surgery and consulting few surgeons before) It's fine with me u don't think it's high, no offense on it. In my previous post, I had stated it's the surgeon I seen who shared his opinion that it's high enough.

Tell u this, I actually went to consult a senior consultant in SGH when I was 25 for nose surgery, I wanted to make my nose even higher but he declined to do for me. He mentioned from what he had observed, my nose is already higher and above the average noses of his patient. He said it's unnesscessary to do it since my nose actually look nice.

Throughout my post, (u may read it for yrself again) I had used "building the nose " and I never confined it to the bridge. You are the one that create this impression.

And aadvark, never did I say eating cartilage will help the nose but not rest of the cartilage parts of body. I had stated, "the nose gets build up by consuming cartilage." I did not imply in anyway that the rest of the cartilaginous won't grow.

how would your body know where to target the cartilage u consume? cartilage is all over the body.

i do agree that the body has miraculous healing abilities and growing abilities, which is why people's features change as they grow older.

but if you do consume huge amts of cartilage, how will you know it won't go straight to your ears or your knees or your ribs? even if you are the lucky few whom it works for, i doubt it works for everyone.

aadvark, I did post the below way before u post me this post of yours, didn't I ? Look at all the time/date stamp on yr posts and my posts.

... Of course DNA plays a part, but generally it helps to build yr nose as well. Anyway, I've always been complimented on my nose and it's all natural, you may stick to your thinking that it's impossible but too bad, those who are willing to try and be patient will know the results. For those whom had never eaten these b4, it may grant you 3 years to see a good yield. ....

.....We are made up by what we eat. Take for e.g if anyone has injured their cartilage or have inflammation, what will Dr. prescribe for them? GSM.
GSM will eventually help that part to heal, to recover and buildup. ....

And It's Osaka1002 who chugged it this idea of building the nose high from his post. Read my posts again, I had used the general term of building the nose with eating animal's cartilage in my discussions with the forumners here.

OK

Show me the result

I am wondering there are people can build their nose high with just eating animal cartilage

maybe you can post your photo with now, 1 year ago or maybe 1 year later

I think it will be no difference

eat natural food or animal cartilage may help to keep our body away from disease, or keep our body health

But to build a nose high..... I don't think so

sorry to say that, but it's my opinion, and I think it's true

In responding to Osaka1002's post as above, I then shared about my nose consultation with a surgeon from SGH. And my nose is termed as high among the patients, of the surgeon whom I had seen. So nosecraze, I hope you will not confuse my points and jump to conclusion / distortions when you perhaps can take the courtesy to read thorughly for yrself what's others posted in the forum to me, and my exact response to them.


- In case of confusion , the nose cartilaginous region is found abundantly in the tip and extending alittle higher upwards the bony region, the nasal bones.

Nasal bones are two small oblong bones, varying in size and form in different individuals; they are placed side by side at the middle and upper part of the face, and form, by their junction, “the bridge”