Plastic and cosmetic surgery abroad

[princessli]

cos my alar very fleshy i wan to find a way to narrow the sides of my alar to achieve a slimmer nose, i ask f i can inject the alar, but they were sayin its cartilage so it won work. sigh...

n ya prob need to find a way to make the tip jus a tiny bit longer & prob need another alarplasty. ya shd hav jus gone to taiwan directly sigh..

[la vie en rose]

I am new in this forum and sorry for my English. I am French Chinese, English is my 5th language.
I did a rhinoplasty revision using goretex in July in BK Clinic, Seoul. Need revision again (I hate surgery! ), would like to get information of Taiwanese/Korean doctors using cartilage/rib, I have contacted dr. Rayn Hsu 许英哲 and dr. Jung Dong Hak since last week, no answer. I also hear about 高全祥 from Taiwan, anyone has his website and e-mail address. I am now living in Shanghai, it's very difficult to get info from Taiwan or Hong Kong, Websites info are under control by Chinese Government.

Thanks a lot!

[theface]

[quote="la vie en rose"]I am new in this forum and sorry for my English. I am French Chinese, English is my 5th language.
I did a rhinoplasty revision using goretex in July in BK Clinic, Seoul. Need revision again (I hate surgery! ), would like to get information of Taiwanese/Korean doctors using cartilage/rib, I have contacted dr. Rayn Hsu 许英哲 and dr. Jung Dong Hak since last week, no answer. I also hear about 高全祥 from Taiwan, anyone has his website and e-mail address. I am now living in Shanghai, it's very difficult to get info from Taiwan or Hong Kong, Websites info are under control by Chinese Government.

Thanks a lot![/quote

nope but maybe he dun have a website?
u can email Dr Hsu instead, I think he will reply you
I have plan to go for a nose surgery with him next year,
we can consider go together .
U can MSN me @ miracle_dreams@hotmail.com

[la vie en rose]

Thinks for your answer Theface. Actually I plan to do revision mid December, as goretex will be difficult to remove after 6 months.

I've just got answer from Dr. Hsu and I am considering him as I hear a lot of good things of him on fashionguide, a Taiwanese forum. 2 other doctors 高全祥 and 陳建業 have also been mentionned, but the last one has very bad reputation.
It's a pity that I failed to register myself as a member, ID number is requested for registration, it didn't work with my French passport number.

Well I am considering Dr. Hsu but would like to make more research --- as it will be my 4th surgery (I HATE SURGERIES!) and hope it will be the last one.

[la vie en rose]

Rebonjour Theface,

Can you move forward your surgery to mid-December?

By the way where are you located? I am now living in Shanghai.

My e-mail address lavie.enrose@163.com.

[theface]

Hi la vie en rose,

it's hard to move to dec coz I booked my leave on jan already...

u can consult the doctor and tel them your situation if you can remove the gortex on jan ?

what have to the gortex?y did you want to remove it?
I am on outstation now, not in sg

[la vie en rose]

Hi Theface,

Well my surgery story is quite long. It will be difficult for me in English, I try…

I was born with small tip, no bridge. 3 years ago, after a business trip in Seoul, I took an address from my Korean colleague (She did nose and chin, she looked good) and did my first surgery at Reborn clinic (I thought it was the only and last one). I chose 3mm I shape silicone as I wanted to look natural.
2 weeks after I received a punch on my face (it was an accident), as the implant moved on one side, I flew back to Seoul. The doctor had the kindness to redo surgery for me. However few months after, my nose was a little deviated, then more and more, then my tip was white, then red…As the doctor has never answered to my mails, I wrote to other doctors, they told me that my L shape implant had moved and the skin of my tip was damaged . What a bad surprise! The doctor changed the implant to a L shape in the 2sd surgery without asking my opinion and I still don't understand why he did so?!

After a lot of research, in July this year, I did revision in BK Clinic, Seoul. Reasons why I chose Dr. Kim:
1) Technically speaking, he must be good, his business is so good, so many patients
2) He has a clinic in Shanghai, he comes there every 2 weeks for surgery, easier for follow up in case of need.
I chose gore-tex and I wanted the same height (final result) as the previous surgery.

5 weeks after the surgery my nose suddenly stopped swelling, I was so disappointed to see in the mirror:
1) A big tip with a very low bridge
2) There is always a white shadow on top of the bridge (between 2 eyes) under the light
3) View from left side under the light: there is a white shadow line along the bridge. The implant can be see through the skin on the picture
4) When I get closer to the mirror I can see a hollow line on the bridge at the eye level. When I touch it, I can feel there are 2 implants. On the right side, they are not well attached and I can feel a small hole. The left side is well attached and is higher than the right side.
5) Since few weeks, I sneeze every morning and have a running nose at night. I don’t know whether it’s because of gore-tex.

I sent pictures to Dr. Kim and asked him question about the above. He didn’t answer to the questions, he just said that, my nose was not too big, not too small and I didn’t have infection, so he refused to redo surgery for me!

I kept on send him my pictures every week (goretex reduced every week), at the end, 2 weeks ago, he invited me to fly to Korea for the revision. As I insisted to do it in Shanghai, he refused the revision again. Actually, I suspect that he was not the one to do the surgery for me. You know, the day of the surgery, after the consultation, I was accompanied by a nurse to the surgery room and had never seen him again. After the surgery, I saw another young Korean doctor in the room, preparing medicine for me. And during the week of my stay in Seoul, every day I went to his clinic to clean my nose, there were so many patients at different time… it’s really impossible to make surgery to so many patients by one doctor.

Well this is my story with 2 Korean doctors. I really don’t know where and how to find a good doctor????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By the way Dr Hsu told me he is fully booked in December. I asked him whether it will be possible on January the 30th.
Still don’t receive answer from dr. Jung, I have just left a message on his online consultation. Can I still trust Korean doctor?

[foubelle]

for dr jung i think you can trust him. just need to comunicate properly from the start and should be no problem. for dr kim, there has always been a bit of bad reviews here and there on this forum abut his attitude and skill. whereas for dr jung, though there are complains as well, i think it's more of a communication problem and he is always willing to give you free revision. that shows that he's very confident about his sugeries and his attitude in pleasing the patient. also, he has a nickname of papa jung in this forum so i think you can trust him.

[Hannah Lee]

Sometimes I wonder too if these "big name" surgeons actually perform all the surgeries themselves. They do have alot of other surgeons working at the same clinc so it did cross my mind that maybe once you're under anesthesia, how on earth would you know who operated on you?

I do recall seeing Dr. Jung come into the operating room right before they knocked me out, he was putting on his surgical gloves so I believe he did my nose himself. I also remember seeing another operation underway in the room next to mine with other surgeons working on a patient. Maybe doing eyes or facial contouring since Jung only does noses.

Dr. Jung is a very busy man with back to back surgeries packed in one day. Like la vie on rose suggested with Dr. Kim, how on earth do they manage to do so many surgeries on their own? And how can you be sure it is really him operating on you and not one of the surgeons he is training?

[ecila]

hi people..

wonder any of u went to japan for cosmetic surgery instead? As my only concern is nose, i went to Jung's and take a look , but when i saw the patients it freaked me out and i decided to not proceed with the surgery. It's not they are ugly or what but just the post surgery faces are really frightening. swollen foreheads and eyes . basically it's a very bloated face and pain written all over. hmmm. How do you all overcome the fear?

Thanks!

[DMN]

hello84: you really look so good! Am so happy for you. BTW, I emailed Dr. Hsu, I m a trader, so in case I do get odd 5-6% infection down the road for my Goretex, he said he has experience to remove Goretex. IF I am really so unlucky then I wld go for 100% autologuous.

La vie en rose: Sorry abt yr experience. If I am you, I wld go thru the pages on this thread. The experience of many non-active members are invaluable and will form a good basis for yr ultimate choice of doc. It is a lot of research no doubt but really worth your time.

Hannah Lee: Do you hv doubt abt yr op? Cannot speak for others, mine was sure done by Dr. Jung cos: 1. June was low season n I went on Thurs which was actually a no-op day for him but he did op , nevertheless. 2. Dr. Zhou, a doc on attachment, confirmed all done by Dr. Jung, cos he explained clearly to me how Dr. Jung did the height, projection shape cutting, sequence of ops etc (I did more than Rhinoplasty).

For those interested in moles, dimples, and other blemish on face regarding mian xiang aspect: ALL bad - expect on brow (must be able to see) and on philtrum and above upper lip areas. I even removed the seemingly harmless looking red veins on my face since I was on the op table....

cheers,
dmn

[DMN]

hello84: you really look so good! Am so happy for you. BTW, I emailed Dr. Hsu, I m a trader, so in case I do get odd 5-6% infection down the road for my Goretex, he said he has experience to remove Goretex. IF I am really so unlucky then I wld go for 100% autologuous.

La vie en rose: Sorry abt yr experience. If I am you, I wld go thru the pages on this thread. The experience of many non-active members are invaluable and will form a good basis for yr ultimate choice of doc. It is a lot of research no doubt but really worth your time.

Hannah Lee: Do you hv doubt abt yr op? Cannot speak for others, mine was sure done by Dr. Jung cos: 1. June was low season n I went on Thurs which was actually a no-op day for him but he did op , nevertheless. 2. Dr. Zhou, a doc on attachment, confirmed all done by Dr. Jung, cos he explained clearly to me how Dr. Jung did the height, projection shape cutting, sequence of ops etc (I did more than Rhinoplasty).

I am really happy with my fat graft. My thin forehead and hollow temple are now gone! The last leg with Dr. Jung is to correct my alar in Dec.


For those interested in moles, dimples, and other blemish on face regarding mian xiang aspect: ALL bad - expect on brow (must be able to see) and on philtrum and above upper lip areas. I even removed the seemingly harmless looking red veins on my face since I was on the op table....

cheers,
dmn

[la vie en rose]

Thanks Foubelle for the advice.

I’ve just got the answer of Dr. Jung. He said that ear cartilage would not be enough to build bridge, he recommended me to use rib cartilage. Well I just want a 3mm high bridge not a 1cm one, I don’t want to cut my rib for that! So scarring ! Will check whether he uses donation rib.

I've just received another answer from Dr. Hsu, he would try to arrange surgery for me in mid-December. But he didn’t confirm whether one ear would be enough to high up 3mm bridge (My right ear was used for the tip in previous surgery).

Hello84, you look so good! Thanks to inform how many cm increase you have with ear cartilage.

To finish, I saw in Dr. Kim’s Chinese Website last night that he would be in Shanghai this week-end, so I went to his clinic this morning. After waiting for 30minutes, I had a consultation with him, but it just lasted 3 minutes and he pushed me out of his office. He admitted that my nose was deviated and said he could correct it. But he said that my bridge was enough high (??? It‘s less than 2mm! And I don’t know when goretex will stop shrinking.) and he recommended to keep it, “as I am not that young and I have very thin skin”

[ecila]

http://www.deantoriumi.com/

or Dr chout?

http://drchout.com

anyone wants to go to them?

[Hannah Lee]

hello84: you really look so good! Am so happy for you.

Hannah Lee: Do you hv doubt abt yr op? Cannot speak for others, mine was sure done by Dr. Jung cos: 1. June was low season n I went on Thurs which was actually a no-op day for him but he did op , nevertheless. 2. Dr. Zhou, a doc on attachment, confirmed all done by Dr. Jung, cos he explained clearly to me how Dr. Jung did the height, projection shape cutting, sequence of ops etc (I did more than Rhinoplasty).


cheers,
dmn

Nope, I am quite sure Jung was the one who did it since he was the last one I saw before dosing off. Then again, anything is possible. I was just toying with the idea since la vie en rose raised the question of whether Dr. Kim was the one who really did her nose or not.

Either way, whoever did my nose, I think they did a good job. I hope it was Dr. Jung, but at the end of the day, I'm still happy with the result