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Postby Jang » Fri, 13 Jul 2007 7:32 pm

After reading Astar's long post, I could understand Astar's point. At the same time, my heart also goes out to Shiyun. She went through a lot, and I believe Shiyun's intention was not making any doctor look bad but to share her experiences and seek some advice or attention. During the process, I think she got carried away a bit.
And I also believe Astar's points are noted by us, forumers.
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Postby ocean11 » Fri, 13 Jul 2007 9:10 pm

dear i do not how to give u advice, cos i have not see Dr Chuang "work" in person, photo really cant tell..
i guess they are both as good, depend u prefer goretex or silicone looks.. cos i know dr chuang prefer to use silicone.. this 2 material diff is silicone nicer looking but abit fakey look after a couple of years, goretex not so define but really natural for now, cant tell u wat will happen after yrs for now.
Silicone u tend to have sharper tip if u use L shape, .. goretex bridge looks slighly thicker den silicone, but that i guess u can discuss with ur doc ask him to make it more define..
actually i still don know the final result yet, cos it bearly 2 mths, my tip can be more sharp i hope.. whereas for my bridge, i been complainted it too low.. hmm.. i guess it fine for me now after the swell subsided more..
have you email this 2 doctor??


Gals, advise from me.. if you are mental unsound.. Never Never go for PS!!! Endanger yourself and others..
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244522 wrote:
ocean11 wrote:244522
good question!! i still look myself, but alittle bit of nose bridge make ur face look more 3D effect lor.. esp the side profile, at least not all flat.
then when u put on thick mascara, ur side profile will be even beta with long lashes and nose bridge.
hmm.. after nose job, even without make up also look good. so no matter how, nose bridge really important. at least to me..


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ocean11 wrote:ofcos la!! if not i spend so much money but no improvement on my looks.. i will go die ah!! hahahhaa.. :lol:

my friends shy to ask?? no way lor.. they are the most thick skin creature i ever met.. but ofcos need one to meet one.. hehehe..
they really cant tell, cos it really very natural after the swell subsided..

so Kayln don worry la, it will only getting more and more natural after 3-6mths.. mabe that time u will start complaint why so natural and not high enough liao.. like me.. hehehe.. relac la gal.. pregnant also need 9mths ma.. :P



foubelle wrote:ocean11: im sure they realised that you're prettier than before but like what hannah said, just too polite to ask. hahas.


Hi Ocean11

Does natural make little difference to your looks?


Hi Ocean11

Would like to seek your advice, does it really make a difference to go Korean and do a nose job or the result would not be much difference as compared to doing in Singapore or Taiwan?

Because I looked through Dr Jung site and some of the nose job I cant really see much difference, I was wondering if its because its in photo, and maybe in real life it make much more differences than seen from photos?

And what was the feeling using gortex? Does it shift easily? Does it really shine less?

And what do you think of Dr Jung skill? I mean do you find him giving you a nice bridge, nice tip and etc. What's he is more good at and not so good at.

Thanks for being so helpful. It means a lot to me. :D

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Postby kwelll » Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:56 pm

[quote="ocean11"]dear i do not how to give u advice, cos i have not see Dr Chuang "work" in person, photo really cant tell..
i guess they are both as good, depend u prefer goretex or silicone looks.. cos i know dr chuang prefer to use silicone.. this 2 material diff is silicone nicer looking but abit fakey look after a couple of years, goretex not so define but really natural for now, cant tell u wat will happen after yrs for now.
Silicone u tend to have sharper tip if u use L shape, .. goretex bridge looks slighly thicker den silicone, but that i guess u can discuss with ur doc ask him to make it more define..
actually i still don know the final result yet, cos it bearly 2 mths, my tip can be more sharp i hope.. whereas for my bridge, i been complainted it too low.. hmm.. i guess it fine for me now after the swell subsided more..
have you email this 2 doctor??

Hmm... I find that shape is independent of material; and having used silicone for a few years now, I tend to find it stiff and hard often giving a rather "fixed" look with sharp edges (nose bridge gives it away). Those "L" shaped implants are the worst because it thin out the nasal tip skin very quickly due to the pressure, and in most cases causing a dimple to the tip in which case the nose will start to contract (get shorter and more upturned) and eventually extrusion with/o infection - Big No-No! Had it removed now :-)
Gortex is certainly more expensive and has a softer feel to it; looks very natural on the bridge covering good surface area so the skin can drape well. According to most doctors, gortex has the lowest incidence of complications short or long term with high tolerance to the material. Cost might be a factor.

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Postby keenose » Sat, 14 Jul 2007 3:36 am

Hi everybody!

Before going on the journey of reading ALL the posts.. just thought to say HI to everybody... (before i start reading. I wonder how long will it take for me to finish)

here's abit of my profile:
I have flat nose, almost no bridge!
Round face!
Small eyes with hidden double eyelids.

I'm thinking of doing nose, eyes .. and also MAYBE something for the face shape.

However, I heard that face shaving can have many complications and the recovery process is very long.
I'm not so sure if mine are due to fats, bones or muscles though...

Ok.. going to start my journey! :D
New nose please~

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Postby Shiyun » Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:10 am

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Postby curious_29 » Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:29 pm

who wrote:kalyn,

I remember... you did silicone with Dr. Chuang.

I think you just may need some time getting used to the implant. He pays a lot of attention on getting the right size implant.

Also, at a month, you're still swollen a lot. your nose can still be kind of obvious.

Actually, the doctors say that it takes 3 months to see what it will kind of look like... but really it will keep changing for a year. And, in Caucasian nose jobs where they break bone, it actually will keep changing for years!




HI Kalyn and everyone,

Thanks for all the replies.. I would like to ask Kalyn, may i know more about Dr Chuang? Is his clinic locate in Singapore? How much does he charge for rhinoplasty? 8-)

Anyone could recommand me any great experience plastic surgeon in Rhinoplasty in Singapore? The price of the surgery must be reasonable. a few thousand bucks? :lol:

Thank you and hoping to see your replies.. :wink:

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Postby foubelle » Sat, 14 Jul 2007 3:25 pm

dr chuang is a taiwanese doctor from wish clinic.

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Re: My Apology

Postby DMN » Sat, 14 Jul 2007 4:01 pm

Irenea wrote:I, Airene Chen Shi Yun, would like to apologize to Dr Martin Huang of Pacific Healthcare Holdings Ltd for those defamatory statements which I had posted on Singapore Expat Forum website.

I hereby admit my foolish and irresponsible act and sincerely apologize to Dr Martin Huang for those baseless and untrue statements.

I assure that I would not do this again in future.

I wish to highlight to other users who have been discussing my postings online that you are required to delete my postings that are attached to your postings as this may be taken as publication on your part of defamatory statements that were made by me.

Airene Chen Shi Yun


Hi Shiyun,

So you are not this person?

rgds,
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Postby DMN » Sat, 14 Jul 2007 5:10 pm

Shiyun wrote:I did a fat injection to my face that was about 6 years ago in M. Huang's clinic back in wisma then.

I have photos for viewing. You can email me at airenechan@yahoo.com if interested.

Every features on my face is original except that fat is injected into the upeer and lower cheeks.

Fat injection is very common even in young girls This procedure can change their face shape & appeal immediate. Please take advise from the doctor if it's suitable for you. Not everyone is suitable for this, doctor may suggest a face implant alone would be enough/sufficient.


Shi yun, on 5 May you wrote above. Thus, you have only been to Martin for PS related work, right?
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Postby hello84 » Sat, 14 Jul 2007 5:10 pm

this msg i see before... aiya.. no matter the person is who.. just forget it larr.. let the past be past.. every person sure will did some mistake... so no ppl is perfect...

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Re: Fat Injection

Postby DMN » Sat, 14 Jul 2007 5:24 pm

Shiyun wrote:Thanks everyone for the nice comments for my eyes. They are natural borned. I didn't touch this pair of eyes until this Nov.

Surgery with Martin huang in 2000 and was something that i can't remember much. That's my first surgery , the swelling was crazy initially, I couldn't really bite or move the facial muscles much.

It take 1 whole month for the face to return to a just "ok" condition, this includes for all the bruising to be subsided.
Then, for another 2 months, i feel my face is rather puffy. I start to excercise after the 3rd month , and this helps to circulate the lymph, and i feel better.

My face really feels like a stone for few weeks initially. :? :???:

If i can remember correctly, M. huang made 6 incisions on my face (3 on each side) to pump the fat in. the procedure was done through harvesting the fats from my tummy and injecting the fats (live cells) into the face .
The targeted zone is the zygoma, the area below it, and the region just next to the sides of the mouth.

The total cost is 5.5k at that time of Dec 2000 for this autologous fat liposuction and transferring to my face. Everything takes 3 hours to complete.

For the next 3 years, i don't see my fats volume get tone down. it seem they are not being absorbed much into the body, but rightafter 2006, i can see my cheeks more sunken and there are not much fats left on the face.

Yes , i did went for revision. By Dr. Harry fok. :)

AS FOR THE fear of getting your cheeks sunken after lipo, you will have to discuss this with the surgeron and see what's his opinions of you getting your face liposuct. It depends on their skills as well, as to whether they are able to help you remove out just a little fat.

honestly fat injection will make a significant change to people who don't have a chubby face, whose face is very bony and long with not much fats, it can transform you to look more sweeter. Or for some who inject alot to look more KaWai-Na! :D 8-) the surgeon will have to determine where to inject and make sure that it still balance the face contours overall, evenly.

I too think dawn yang looks sexy and pretty.

I'll suggest if you wanna slim down the face, try botox, if not go for a reconstuction surgery of the jaw to shave away excess bones in order to soften the angle. :roll: I'm planning thiis with dr. Kim next yeaR.

I'm joining Jang together with other friends to Dr. Kim this Nov to get my eyes done. :) I hope my eyes can look as big as Dawn's. :D


Then on 21st May, you wrote above. Despite what seems normal swell n discomfort from PS, you seem quite happy with Dr. Martin Huang's work. However, you did mentioned you went to Dr. Harry Fok for revision.

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Re: Buccal Fat excision

Postby DMN » Sat, 14 Jul 2007 5:31 pm

Shiyun wrote:I had done the procedure of buccal fat excision, your cheeks will get swollen big time for 1 week. even with sinnech.

These photos i posted on the forum is my appearance overall after surgeries i had done.

http://www.friendster.com/photos/40338124

FOr BUCCAL FATS REMOVAL, you guys can try Dr. Andrew Khoo, he is my P.S in 2006 & I'm his 3rd candidate for this procedure.

I'm pleased with the results as round faces is genetic inheritance in my family. Also my face is getting more slimmer as with age. I'm 26 this year. I do wish i had higher cheek bone and protruding cheeks.

Dr Andrew Khoo charged me $3500 for buccal fats removal and the experience with his nurses at Pacific Healthcare is nice and pleaant.

He is located at Mount Elizabeth . His clinic is part of Pacific Healthcare group.



Then on 26th May, 2007, you wrote above.

Very confusing....did you do one time PS or 3 times (revision included) with 3 docs?

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Postby DMN » Sat, 14 Jul 2007 5:34 pm

Shiyun wrote:Actually, I think i owe Dr. Martin Huang an apology.

I had some miscommunications with him and i think i offended him by being rude.

Last time, when the fat injection into my face is done, i feel very unsatisfied because it seem to make my face more squarer when i wanted my face to be slimmer.

So I perceived he had over injected the amount since i don't see the fats being absorbed much in to the face, (this is very individual as i came to learnt later that some people will experienced fat absorbtion at a faster rate whereas others don't)

Actually i would like to go back to Dr. M. Huang for other procedures but i am embarassed to do so, due to my previous episodes with him.

He is overall a very good surgeon with almost to perfect skills, but i came to realise all these at a later stage, because of my initial fustration and depression over my face despite many people told me that i look better and nicer after my surgery.

I'd still recommend him to anyone who is keen for enhancement because of his skills. I know that he does charge higher but it's worth the rates because the results are usually very well done. :)


Then above on May 27, 2007. Satisfaction from fat grafting with Martin Huang.

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Postby DMN » Sat, 14 Jul 2007 6:05 pm

Shiyun wrote:Dear Kwell and astar,

Unbelievable? Getting sympathy ? Disgusting to the core? Simply not interested enough? Slanderous? :roll: Mentally unsound? Life haS been tough for me? :lol:

Cool it folks, :roll: look at your comments posted towards me, anger is singnificant and obviously you are taking it personally on me now.

:x I am not Irenea, neither do I know her photos. What i posted ARE MY photos depicting the real me in real life. :???: Look, I am not answerable to anyone regarding my posts, i am sharing my experience and you absolutely have the rights to believe it or not. WHY WOULD I WANT TO COOK UP UNTRUTHS ON THE NET? IT"S A WASTE OF NOT ONLY YOUR TIME BUT MY TIME AS WELL. DO U THINK I HAVE SO MUCH TIME TO SPEND ONLINE? I HAVE STOCKS INVESTMENT ON MY HAND, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS OF MORE IMPORTANCE TO ME? Everything i share is according to my encounters. I did have a very bad experience with one of my cosmetic surgeons. Can you pls show some courtesy even if you don't wish to believe it, you don't have to make so many ugly comments. :roll:

You are plainly making a digust of yourself. Aren't we living in a gracious society where simple respect would be appreciated. :roll: Like what you said, even Dr. Kim himself had several negative feedbacks, bt i don't see forumners getting so worked up on the negative feedback given, so why are you getting all worked up as i shared my experience about this annonymous doctor? I didn't even name him out .... :roll:

PALS YOU CAN BE GOING OVERBOARD IN YOUR REACTIONS.

I suggest you guys Take a break by watching Sesame Street.

I will have remove my original post if it's too distracting - stirring so much derogating emotions from you two and because i have received many hate mails from people i don't know.

After going through so much i think human being are capable of the worst horror and terror than the ghouls and vampires. :shock: Ren bi Gui Hai Ke Pa!



Hi Shiyun,

I dun wish to get involve in your personal exchanges with Kwell and astar.

After backing off from requesting for facts in earlier post, I decided that you have been rather irresponsible in your post for a few reasons:

1. You named surgeons, and repeatedly Martin Huang. Your reviews are inconsistent and here I have to agree with astar that you have in some ways defamed Martin Huang again...even though you named 3 surgeons it seems you were in fact not happy with the results from Dr. Martin Huang:

(See Kwell's post cos Shiyun edited her original post).

http://www.singaporeexpats.com/forum/ft ... -6855.html

2. This is a great thread where forummers are rooting for one another and providing information and sometimes personal photos to educate one another. I think you are doing the rest of us great injustice by complicating this thread with such seemingly defamatory posts.

3. Singapore, when it comes to security, is world class. Look up on your screen - it says Singapore Expat Forum. Many here are foreigners. Your post of criminal break in to your house is misleading and will caused false impression about our police force's ability to handle 'Mafia-like' intrusion/threats to civilians in our country. (the portrait here is THE famous surgeon VS mini-poor-you, a portrait of rich & famous who can do anything to the less affluent) This, we all know, is incorrect portrait of reality. Now, I am not saying you are lying but you need to make clarification. However, if you cannot produce proof (for whatever reason), you need to apologise to the forum for such portrait.

I am afraid cryptic comments about throwing away garbage views etc is not enough to carry on.

We all write behind nicks but it is not necessary to go this far. Many here, incl, myself, have good memory. We are not here to destroy anybody. But Shiyun, you need to be consistent cos most ppl here are very sincere souls who just want to be educated in PS.

rgds,
dmn

P.S. Jang/hello 84, I agree sometimes we should overlook mistakes of others cos we all make mistakes. I did, I let it go once. But to make mistakes repeatedly and then trying to senselessly blast those who spotted the mistakes - is irresponsible. It goes beyond being kind or forgiving. It become a fine line between justice and injustice.

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Postby leenaaaa » Sat, 14 Jul 2007 7:17 pm

DMN, Astar, Kwell...

I think what I have learnt being on this forum is that... all you can do is just highlight to the rest your experiences or certain facts... whether or not people choose to believe you is up to them. And if anything happens, your conscience is clear =)


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