Plastic and cosmetic surgery abroad

[kwelll]

kwell: you sound really experienced! have you been to them for surgery before?

when do you intent to go to dr jung or are you still deciding?

Hi foubelle,

Haha, am not that experienced (only had 2 rhinoplasties, eye enhancement) but I do know exactly what these doctors are saying (and doing ) because it helps to know yourself so you can participate in the pre discussion which must set the record straight. I have not personally been to any of the mentioned, but Dr Leslie Quek, who is less than desirable - his nose implant is horrible and caused so much trauma to the nose tip (extreme pressure from implant) was utterly disappointed and had it removed to save my life !!! Been to a few for consultation and realised most if not all are hopeless !!!

I found Dr Jung to be a pleasant man and fairly patient so I would go to him for my nose and chin not sure who else.=?????

I guess for us, its all or never !!

Cheers
Kwell
(male)

[takuda]

hey everyone, just asking, what is the shortest time to have a full rhinoplasty and leave? i mean dr c. in tw. what is the shortest period of time that we can return back to sg? normally, it is recommended that 1 week, and he will remove stitches, but is it possible to like, leave at the 3rd/4th day? i heard there's self dissolving stitches too right? anyone can tell me more? cos i don't wanna to stay in tw for 1 week, probably 4 days? or 3 days even better. i know there will be swelling and all, but i really dun wanna stay in a foreign country for that long.

[chixie]

oh well... thought i can avoid the surgery to get at least a more decent nose.....

seen a couple of my frens who went for the filler, they have nothing but praises for the fillers.....

[foubelle]

kwell: you know you mentioned abutt he fab eye doctor from thailand right? can you clarify who/where he/she is? i'm checking it up for my friends cos the last time they went. the got very fake lids. need revision but cant afford sing docs or koea docs.

DMN: your previous teachings about face shape really helped me a lot. i got one last problem about that. i can differentiate the very gua zi an the gua zi from oval. but how do you differentiate those that are almost similar? like those very very very thin pple with oval structure and a fat gua zi. is it possible to show me some pic?

thanks.

[aadvark]

oh well... thought i can avoid the surgery to get at least a more decent nose.....

seen a couple of my frens who went for the filler, they have nothing but praises for the fillers.....

only if you dun compare to an actual implant...

of course the filler will make a difference to your current bridge, i'm sure def will be higher and nicer than original.

but if you compare to an implant, i'm sure the implant will be even more defined and nicer... one is liquid, one is solid

anyway, my fren did fillers, her nose also swell ma, not much diff from when we did implants... so might as well do implant... the implant surgery is absolutely painless, and u dun feel pain after surgery also

[DMN]

DMN, thank you so much for taking the time to answer my many many questions. you rock. you did alar as well? what happened with the alar? suddenly very worried for you though you sound quite alright about it. is your scar still obvious. normally how long will the scar take to fully disappear and how long before you can go onto the street/work without makeup and pple still wont see the scar?

DR Jung did not alter my alar width cos I want to keep the wide for Mian Xiang. wanted was to cover my nostrils, as I have a piggy nose....Dr. Jung seems to like the arch on my alar n he did not lengthen the frontal of my alar to cover my nostrils!!! I am ok cos when we go to a doc, we need to understand their view of asethestics. So after further communications, he is ok to alter for me in abt 3 weeks time.

Today is my 7th day, and most of my external scars on nose are no longer obvious or visible. There is some redness and scar showing on my brow bone and temple (the old scar which he removed) but I am sure in 3 days time, they will look less visible.

My problem is the yellowish retreating bruise from my lower eyebag op and the SWELL (from fat grafting)! Ok, they hv all started to come off but the rate is still slow.....and I need to take a flight this afternoon back to Singapore....So covering with the mask is my best option.

Am sure the bruise will go away by this time next week, but I am really not sure how much of the swell will go and I have to meet impt customers.....siao liao cos I look like I hv been thru an accident or similar trauma.

[DMN]

DMN: your previous teachings about face shape really helped me a lot. i got one last problem about that. i can differentiate the very gua zi an the gua zi from oval. but how do you differentiate those that are almost similar? like those very very very thin pple with oval structure and a fat gua zi. is it possible to show me some pic?

thanks.

foubelle: no point I show u pic cos everyone can grow thinner or fatter. take the most famous beauty in 70s & 80s - Lin Qing Xiao who reigned the Chinese movie world and married in early 90s to Espirits' boss and he subsequently became billionaire after marrying her from mutli-millonaire.

she did not hv smooth relationships earlier in life cos she has Tau Hau eyes/ Peach Blossom eyes. (Look at her early pics, eyes were beautiful but always reflect inner sorrows. Her eye brows tho nicely shaped but bushy n messy in strokes cos her a lot of emotional problems. Her forehead gives her status cos there r many beauties but why her the Queen of those times? It was her whole facial features n her jia lat forehead and aura.)

Her nose is what is damn jia lat in good sense cos she married in her 40s and that's when in Mian Xiang the nose rules. A season face reader wld be able to tell from her nose and face-shaped when she was young she wld marry rich.

Her face shape is Er Dan shape NOT Gua Zi. You dun want Gua Zi face like those KTV girls. The distinctions of Gua Zi r:

1. shape jaw
2. bony lower face and sometimes bony/protruding cheeks

when a person is too thin or too fat, there is no Fu Qi. All over (except forehead and eye areas lah...), flesh shld be abt 1 inch when you pinch....otherwise sure got problems when you reach the specific area in terms of age. a face incl eye can tell you abt the person's well being from 0-100 yrs old. the contour, shape, colour of a face can tell u about the person's status and health.

try reading up some books in this area before you go for PS. good luck!

[foubelle]

thnaks DMN. very elpful indeed. cos whenever i red those books i get so so confused. like when they say well roundede with some flesh, i would keep on thinking, how much exactly is some flesh. is this enough? or is this too fat? really helped me a lot.

for yellowish brusies, i think it's going away soon. i saw this taiwan mei mei who did double eyelid, she also got brusis, strted with slight purple. when it becomes yellow means almost healing already but yellow is also the longest togo away. try a good concealer? or just tell your client it's your dark circle cos you worked so hard on his project (:

edited to say: yup! omg, finally found the kind of shape i wanted. it's her kind of shape. from pictures BEFORE her bai fa mo nv(bride with white hair)show. thanks DMN. for the longest time i wanted to find similar pictures to show doc but forever cannot find. the best i found was maggie cheung(zhang man yu) but hers is a little too round.

[Angeluv101]

Anyone knows if there's any good docs in Thailand for liposuction.. particularly tummy tuck? Is it better to do it in Thailand or Taiwan?

[DMN]

I will be seeing Dr. Jung next week. After Surgery, how long I wait in Korea before I go on the Airplane? I will be coming from USA to Korea and then to another country after the surgery.

Dr. Jung haven't responded because I know he is very busy.


also, my female friend want her nose done, who would you suggest? I heard Dr. Jung is good for male rhinoplasty. not sure about females.

Dr Jung is the authority in Asia. You may just google him n find all his papers. I am not trying to hardsell him. Please do adequate research and ask enuf questions b4 deciding on any docs.

I juz mentioned to him before leaving that you have emailed him and he will check his mail after lunch.

GOOD LUCK!

[jovinliu]

My Taiwan Dollars is still lying on my table... really nobody interested?



/Jovin

[chixie]

oh well... thought i can avoid the surgery to get at least a more decent nose.....

seen a couple of my frens who went for the filler, they have nothing but praises for the fillers.....

only if you dun compare to an actual implant...

of course the filler will make a difference to your current bridge, i'm sure def will be higher and nicer than original.

but if you compare to an implant, i'm sure the implant will be even more defined and nicer... one is liquid, one is solid

anyway, my fren did fillers, her nose also swell ma, not much diff from when we did implants... so might as well do implant... the implant surgery is absolutely painless, and u dun feel pain after surgery also

ya thats true, the experience of doin filler and the actual surgery really not much different.But i'm very rough lor.seriously, afriad that i will forget i have an implant ! can;t do alot of stuff too rite?? as in no vigorous exercise ,diving and stuff like that?

How do u upkeep urself? Do u have to be extremely careful , having to avoid vigorous sports?

[foubelle]

i think you an still go for vigourous sports./ just that it's better to start doing them after you have completely healed. and in the case that you do goretex, your cells will grow over and into the spaces that goretex has and hold it frimly in place.

i think liquid might have a higher chance of displacement.

[mermaid_c]

Hi DMN,

I have been reading the your posting regarding dr jung... i saw him in june when i was there ps shopping.. was quite comfortable with him though his rates are a little steep.


I am planning to go there in dec for ps with him. Still deciding about my nose shape. I am also into mian xiang. I am wondering where did you get the reference books from? I always find the chinese version in the book stores. I can't read chinese tt well. hoping to look for english version.

do you have any to recoomend? or any master you go to?

your posting is very indeed very informative.





thanks.[/quote]

foubelle: no point I show u pic cos everyone can grow thinner or fatter. take the most famous beauty in 70s & 80s - Lin Qing Xiao who reigned the Chinese movie world and married in early 90s to Espirits' boss and he subsequently became billionaire after marrying her from mutli-millonaire.

she did not hv smooth relationships earlier in life cos she has Tau Hau eyes/ Peach Blossom eyes. (Look at her early pics, eyes were beautiful but always reflect inner sorrows. Her eye brows tho nicely shaped but bushy n messy in strokes cos her a lot of emotional problems. Her forehead gives her status cos there r many beauties but why her the Queen of those times? It was her whole facial features n her jia lat forehead and aura.)

Her nose is what is damn jia lat in good sense cos she married in her 40s and that's when in Mian Xiang the nose rules. A season face reader wld be able to tell from her nose and face-shaped when she was young she wld marry rich.

Her face shape is Er Dan shape NOT Gua Zi. You dun want Gua Zi face like those KTV girls. The distinctions of Gua Zi r:

1. shape jaw
2. bony lower face and sometimes bony/protruding cheeks

when a person is too thin or too fat, there is no Fu Qi. All over (except forehead and eye areas lah...), flesh shld be abt 1 inch when you pinch....otherwise sure got problems when you reach the specific area in terms of age. a face incl eye can tell you abt the person's well being from 0-100 yrs old. the contour, shape, colour of a face can tell u about the person's status and health.

try reading up some books in this area before you go for PS. good luck![/quote]

[aadvark]

oh well... thought i can avoid the surgery to get at least a more decent nose.....

seen a couple of my frens who went for the filler, they have nothing but praises for the fillers.....

only if you dun compare to an actual implant...

of course the filler will make a difference to your current bridge, i'm sure def will be higher and nicer than original.

but if you compare to an implant, i'm sure the implant will be even more defined and nicer... one is liquid, one is solid

anyway, my fren did fillers, her nose also swell ma, not much diff from when we did implants... so might as well do implant... the implant surgery is absolutely painless, and u dun feel pain after surgery also

ya thats true, the experience of doin filler and the actual surgery really not much different.But i'm very rough lor.seriously, afriad that i will forget i have an implant ! can;t do alot of stuff too rite?? as in no vigorous exercise ,diving and stuff like that?

How do u upkeep urself? Do u have to be extremely careful , having to avoid vigorous sports?

first few months, ur nose will feel a bit sore still, cos recovering... i do half yr le, feels normal liao... i do swimming, jogging, gym etc, no problem lei

dun kena hit in the nose of cos... but even if real nose, kena hit jialat also will break right?