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Re: safe?

Postby ocean11 » Sun, 18 Mar 2007 4:24 pm

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jovinliu wrote:Simple! Wear specs with tinted lenses!



/Jovin

rainbow5 wrote:Hi who,

I travelled to Taipei alone for a couple of days before my friends joined me later on.

Personally, I think its quite safe in Taipei as long as you dun stay out late alone. One thing in Taiwan is that their 6+pm in the evening looks like our 9-10pm so their night comes much faster than ours. Try to stay inbound when the night falls & it shd be ok.

Taipei is super convenient as everywhere is mrt, even a road blind like me wun get lost there. But one thing if u are having surgery there is how u gonna take care of urself & ur daily 3 meals if u are alone & with ur super duper swollen eyes, its gonna be rather difficult. This is one of my major concerns which stopped me from going to Taiwan for surgery.

Anyone have advice how to overcome this?? Wld be very much appreciated.

who wrote:Is it safe for a girl to travel to Taiwan alone?


Heh, another alternative is wear a cap and bring it low to ur eye brow. That's what i did during the 1st week.


another one is Order Room Service ! u don have to step out of the room..but when u back.. u gonna put on few kg on weight.. hehehe.. :P

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Postby Alan_luv_liyun » Sun, 18 Mar 2007 4:40 pm

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ocean11 wrote:
Alan_luv_liyun wrote:
ocean11 wrote:world will nvr be peace.. so does any forum.. :-|

don argue la.. all friend friend.. :D this place is to share the experience and information, so peace ok.. 8-)

but, erm.. Tanjhj.. no offend.. i really think u should stop asking ppls to email u their photos and suggest to em wat to do, (which i told u long time ago, but u claim that u only wan to help one of the forumer to stand on her feet and u PM me to delete my post and i did! cos i tot u doing good deed, but u seem to get addicted by doing so..)

u might read alot about PS website or book, but doesnt mean u are train to do so.. furthermore, u have not been thru the ps at all except botox :o
i am sure there're alot of forumer here went thru so much more PS procedure then u, they just share their experience/info but not suggest others wat they should change on their face..

it really kind of u to share the info, but by 'acting' like a doc.. seriously can be quite annoying.. (some of ur info are wrong too, i know cos i email/called doc and ofcos i will trust the real doc rite? don ask me which one cos u posted too much, difficult to track.. hehe)

really.. info will do all the forumer well, let the real doc do their job.

But ofcos, if those forumer don mind to send u their photos (which i think it weird) pls by all means.. hehe :cool:

peace hor.. no offence.. u not happy can don read.. :P kidding kidding.. haha :wink:



So PATHETIC u, tanjhj!

so many ppl in forum find u so weird and annoying, u also dunnoe! poor thing! come to your senses now.... stop acting like a Ci Bei big Dr here la...like to criticise ppl so much, look at yrself 1st! u r mentally unsound!


now, u understand y ppl step on cockroaches mercilessly 'til their guts ooze out, n stock up Baygon? :cool:


Alemak! i post not becos i wan to make things worst lay Alan.. relac la..
i nvr dislike Tanjhj, just think and afraid he might mislead some ppls.. cos PS on face.. no joke u know.. :o

but as i say again.. if those forumer don mind to send him the pix, den is their freedom la.. it always takes 2 to tango wat.. rite alan? relac ok.. peace peace :D


No one beats dearest Da Jie~ Head of SG PS Maniacs~ :lol:


quoted,

"cos i tot u doing good deed, but u seem to get addicted by doing so...it really kind of u to share the info, but by 'acting' like a doc.. seriously can be quite annoying.. (some of ur info are wrong too, i know cos i email/called doc and ofcos i will trust the real doc rite?"

SO SORRY HOR, THAT ONE IS NOT CALL KIND HOR! THAT ONE IS CALL "KEI KIANG" (Act smart). U call him kind for what? kind ppl dun criticise ppl, and say ppl look like Nono, without looking at his own reflection b4! dun act smart here, tanjhj!

go home and drink breasts milk la!

everything dun dare, dun dare..only dare to talk big, and act smart in forum.

u want 2show me u r a MAN, SEND ME YR PIC LA, SEND 1ST DEN TALK!... LET ALL THE FORUMERS TO SEE THE REAL U...

HIDE HERE HIDE THERE, U 5 YEAR-OLD HUH? STILL PLAY HIDE-N-SEEK!

BUDDY, U GOT EXTENDED CHILDHOOD LEI..SO INNOCENT WOR, I ENVY! :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
If only u cld see those broken smiles she tried to conceal her deepest sorrow, you wldn't say that anymore...

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Postby ocean11 » Sun, 18 Mar 2007 4:59 pm

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ocean11 wrote:
Alan_luv_liyun wrote:
ocean11 wrote:world will nvr be peace.. so does any forum.. :-|

don argue la.. all friend friend.. :D this place is to share the experience and information, so peace ok.. 8-)

but, erm.. Tanjhj.. no offend.. i really think u should stop asking ppls to email u their photos and suggest to em wat to do, (which i told u long time ago, but u claim that u only wan to help one of the forumer to stand on her feet and u PM me to delete my post and i did! cos i tot u doing good deed, but u seem to get addicted by doing so..)

u might read alot about PS website or book, but doesnt mean u are train to do so.. furthermore, u have not been thru the ps at all except botox :o
i am sure there're alot of forumer here went thru so much more PS procedure then u, they just share their experience/info but not suggest others wat they should change on their face..

it really kind of u to share the info, but by 'acting' like a doc.. seriously can be quite annoying.. (some of ur info are wrong too, i know cos i email/called doc and ofcos i will trust the real doc rite? don ask me which one cos u posted too much, difficult to track.. hehe)

really.. info will do all the forumer well, let the real doc do their job.

But ofcos, if those forumer don mind to send u their photos (which i think it weird) pls by all means.. hehe :cool:

peace hor.. no offence.. u not happy can don read.. :P kidding kidding.. haha :wink:



So PATHETIC u, tanjhj!

so many ppl in forum find u so weird and annoying, u also dunnoe! poor thing! come to your senses now.... stop acting like a Ci Bei big Dr here la...like to criticise ppl so much, look at yrself 1st! u r mentally unsound!


now, u understand y ppl step on cockroaches mercilessly 'til their guts ooze out, n stock up Baygon? :cool:


Alemak! i post not becos i wan to make things worst lay Alan.. relac la..
i nvr dislike Tanjhj, just think and afraid he might mislead some ppls.. cos PS on face.. no joke u know.. :o

but as i say again.. if those forumer don mind to send him the pix, den is their freedom la.. it always takes 2 to tango wat.. rite alan? relac ok.. peace peace :D


No one beats dearest Da Jie~ Head of SG PS Maniacs~ :lol:


Xiao di! mai suay wa!! :mad: nvr die before!

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Postby tanjhj » Sun, 18 Mar 2007 5:12 pm

ocean11 wrote:
Alemak! i post not becos i wan to make things worst lay Alan.. relac la..
i nvr dislike Tanjhj, just think and afraid he might mislead some ppls.. cos PS on face.. no joke u know.. :o

but as i say again.. if those forumer don mind to send him the pix, den is their freedom la.. it always takes 2 to tango wat.. rite alan? relac ok.. peace peace :D


ocean11,

i kinda stop doing that long time ago when my PM and email is flooded with enquiries and pictures requesting for my opinion. and of coz after ur
advice which u told me and i consider it wise n i kinda stop responding to requests except some simpler recomendation of doc. procedures recommendation has stopped long ago. I m kinda tired too, in fact last year was so obessed with PS that i almost failed exams n have some changes, become very judgemental of ppl looks. :???: so i hope those younger forumers to be aware of this problem..

as for the flamer n stalker in the forum, i am least bothered and hope u all not disturbed by it.

Nevertheless, i am very happy for those who did their PS with dr Jung and dr chuang and are enjoying their PS. this is what ultimately i wanted to do.
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hi

Postby IceBell » Sun, 18 Mar 2007 5:18 pm

tanjhj wrote:
ocean11 wrote:
Alemak! i post not becos i wan to make things worst lay Alan.. relac la..
i nvr dislike Tanjhj, just think and afraid he might mislead some ppls.. cos PS on face.. no joke u know.. :o

but as i say again.. if those forumer don mind to send him the pix, den is their freedom la.. it always takes 2 to tango wat.. rite alan? relac ok.. peace peace :D


ocean11,

i kinda stop doing that long time ago when my PM and email is flooded with enquiries and pictures requesting for my opinion. and of coz after ur
advice which u told me and i consider it wise n i kinda stop responding to requests except some simpler recomendation of doc. procedures recommendation has stopped long ago. I m kinda tired too, in fact last year was so obessed with PS that i almost failed exams n have character changes, become very judgemental of ppl looks. :???: so i hope those younger forumers to be aware of this problem..

as for the flamer n stalker in the forum, i am least bothered and hope u all not disturbed by it.

Nevertheless, i am very happy for those who did their PS with dr Jung and dr chuang and are enjoying their PS. this is what ultimately i wanted to do.



tanji Do talk like a Dr .. I suspect tanji is not a nomal person

hmmm I guess tanji is Dr su or Dr wong or something?? am i right tanji sorry to expose ur id in this fourm because i been reading ur words in this fourm ... ur wisdom and knowlage is up then a normal humen ...


Tanji Pls give me a free nose job if u are really Dr wong Pls if 2k is too much can lower 1.5 k ? i let u earn commision la .. u will come to my house to do ok ? so the rent wont be that high

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Postby ocean11 » Sun, 18 Mar 2007 6:34 pm

tanjhj wrote:
ocean11 wrote:
Alemak! i post not becos i wan to make things worst lay Alan.. relac la..
i nvr dislike Tanjhj, just think and afraid he might mislead some ppls.. cos PS on face.. no joke u know.. :o

but as i say again.. if those forumer don mind to send him the pix, den is their freedom la.. it always takes 2 to tango wat.. rite alan? relac ok.. peace peace :D


ocean11,

i kinda stop doing that long time ago when my PM and email is flooded with enquiries and pictures requesting for my opinion. and of coz after ur
advice which u told me and i consider it wise n i kinda stop responding to requests except some simpler recomendation of doc. procedures recommendation has stopped long ago. I m kinda tired too, in fact last year was so obessed with PS that i almost failed exams n have some changes, become very judgemental of ppl looks. :???: so i hope those younger forumers to be aware of this problem..

as for the flamer n stalker in the forum, i am least bothered and hope u all not disturbed by it.

Nevertheless, i am very happy for those who did their PS with dr Jung and dr chuang and are enjoying their PS. this is what ultimately i wanted to do.


good to hear u have stop, cos i really think it shouldnt start in the 1st place.. :)

it seem like u have lotsa enermy hor.. :roll: good luck dude..

exam? tanjhj how young are u may i ask? i kinda curious how u look like too.. sincercely wan to know.. no hidden agenda.. :P

c'mon boys.. be good, don argue liao.. guai guai.. jie jie pat pat hor.. :girl:

:kiss: come kiss and make up..

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Postby Velvet_CK » Sun, 18 Mar 2007 7:03 pm

ocean11 wrote:
tanjhj wrote:
ocean11 wrote:
Alemak! i post not becos i wan to make things worst lay Alan.. relac la..
i nvr dislike Tanjhj, just think and afraid he might mislead some ppls.. cos PS on face.. no joke u know.. :o

but as i say again.. if those forumer don mind to send him the pix, den is their freedom la.. it always takes 2 to tango wat.. rite alan? relac ok.. peace peace :D


ocean11,

i kinda stop doing that long time ago when my PM and email is flooded with enquiries and pictures requesting for my opinion. and of coz after ur
advice which u told me and i consider it wise n i kinda stop responding to requests except some simpler recomendation of doc. procedures recommendation has stopped long ago. I m kinda tired too, in fact last year was so obessed with PS that i almost failed exams n have some changes, become very judgemental of ppl looks. :???: so i hope those younger forumers to be aware of this problem..

as for the flamer n stalker in the forum, i am least bothered and hope u all not disturbed by it.

Nevertheless, i am very happy for those who did their PS with dr Jung and dr chuang and are enjoying their PS. this is what ultimately i wanted to do.


good to hear u have stop, cos i really think it shouldnt start in the 1st place.. :)

it seem like u have lotsa enermy hor.. :roll: good luck dude..

exam? tanjhj how young are u may i ask? i kinda curious how u look like too.. sincercely wan to know.. no hidden agenda.. :P

c'mon boys.. be good, don argue liao.. guai guai.. jie jie pat pat hor.. :girl:

:kiss: come kiss and make up..


Be careful.. When she mentioned no Agenda... Means her agenda list is still making in progress. :oops!:

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Postby Alan_luv_liyun » Sun, 18 Mar 2007 8:16 pm

erm...do u mean i "defame" u? cos i dun think there's such a word -flamer...(lighter, i got, u want?) and get yr facts right, one is only liable for defamation if proved that one alleged statement is proved to be unfounded, or untrue. i said, U R NOT A DOCTOR. if u say i defame u, prove to me u r in the medical board, or a qualified Dr then!

y r u so afraid to show fellow forumers ur pic? r u not guilty? then, y deny? Also, u said u got potential, n foundation wat, so y the over-reacted fear?

stop blabbering a barrage of rubbish, just show us your pic, SIMPLE! dun hide behind the monitor, and shirk responsibilities. and stop acting like a experienced PS surgeon! U R NOT, unless u r a certified surgeon!

And ppl, i noe u find me funny...but i have no time to reply to PM...pai seh :P dun hv to flatter me...

i'm just saying a word of justice, cos tanjhj has made enuf offensive n hurtful remarks to fellow forumers. i think the moderator shd do something to this guy. does it not arouse any suspicion of yrs at all? r u sitting on yr job?

look here, moderator, this guy's been giving distorted info abt PS, and do u noe hw serious this is? ppl travel all the way to TW, pour all their hard-earned money, and get her/his face ruined. Think abt it! Is it fair? yet this guy has the cheek to "role-play" like a ps surgeon here, n give advice to ppl... yet he can say irresponsible things like, "dun read my post if not happy"....

we are here to give, share n exchange CONSTRUCTIVE VIEWS, not to become OBJECTIFIED by ppl's "fantasy" who think they r drs in this cyber world,... i do not wish this forum to be BREEDING GROUNDS FOR PPL'S manipulation, and hidden aggendas.

moderator, think abt it... i think it wld be of greater value of yr effort n appreciation if u can ensure the forum to be safe, and deter any suspicious weirdos, rather than to censor vulagrities...

and forumers, do not just blindly-consume to what u see, or whatever ppl say, dun be victimised by ppl. consult the surgeon, if in any doubt....u do not noe who is the one on the typing board, it can be anyone- even ah peks! sorry tanjhj, i hv shattered yr "dream", but look at my yandao face, "DO I CARE?"....
:wink:

U THINK YR STATEMENT IS OF GREAT CREDIBILITY NOW? IF U REALI WANT TO BE A DR, GO N STUDY MEDICINE...INDULGING IN CYBER WORLD WONT DO ANY GOOD IN THE LONG-RUN!


stop decieiving ppl, and --- yrself.

My advice to u: get yrself a nice heart implant, get a job, get a car, get a gf! :cool:

Ergo, i wld like to end all these with a word of caution(cos i hv no time to cont'd this childish argument here):
BEWARE, BEWARE AND BEWARE!.... dun let ppl to bring u down, no matter what they say :) YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL! even if the person is a skilled PS Surgeon, or anyone, THEY R IN NO ANY RIGHT/ POSITION TO SAY U R UGLY, OR HOPELESS!

last but not least, Luck in yr quest for beauty... and...
Farewell, my friends.
If only u cld see those broken smiles she tried to conceal her deepest sorrow, you wldn't say that anymore...

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Postby tanjhj » Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:04 pm

takuda wrote:
tanjhj wrote:just to share something,

just came back from nite entertainment. it is a long time since i went for one. realise that the new generation are better looking and more taste in dressing. however i also realise there is alot more PS faces. I feel i am getting old with ppl doing their PS so young and i havent do mine..

all i can say i realise abt PS only at sept 2006 abit too late but than i not giving up on PS. i asked if i can be become like 80% close to this jap idolsImage

and dr chuang said yes and gave me his precise procedures steps and price. all i can say after listening to alot of "sori", "cant" and "but" from other doctors. his words is like water to my spirit and from than onwards i am converted. and he is the only one who write in confidence and in details every step what he is going to do to help me achieved my desired looks.

book my date on july 2007 and price straight away with him. negotiated with him if i can get more ppl to him can have more discount (old habit as i was from purchasing dept), he agrees and said all those recommended bought by me will recv'd extra discount.

due to Jovin recommendation, i agree it is better to do it at year end when the weather in either TW or KR is colloer, better and suitable for healing.. furthermore i intend to go sightseeing after the 5th day then to stay in my room... my 3 days jan suppose PS trip with dr Sukit to Thailand areadi almost killed me, cooling days are way better as i wont sweat and risk infection.

looking forward to year end.. if i can stay firm till year end bonus comes, i can even go to Kr... tempting and confusing at the same time..


hey there, glad that you are feeling happy. do u mind sharing with us what are the ''exact procedures'' to achieve the jap idols face according to ur consultation? i think another pic to show Ps surgeons will be won bin's. very natural.


Hi tan,

Yes I saw the pics you attached to me. It is possible for you to "look like" that Jap idol because you all have a longer face. For this purpose I will suggest the following procedures:
1. Open rhinoplasty with corrective osteotomy: You have a slight deviated nose(C-shape) and a little wide base over nasal bone and alar base. The nasal tip is okay. We should correct the bony part with osteotomy to make your nose more "narrowing" and straight, then increase the dorsal height with implant or Goretex. The total cost including osteotomy procedure should be NT80000 but I will give you the best price.
Now you should understand the whole contents of rhinoplasty that I will suggest you are:
Dorsal augmentation with Goretex/silicone implant
Corrective osteotomy of nasal bone
Tiplasty with septal cartilage graft
Tip centralization with dome sutures and cartilage reposition
Alar reduction and nostril narrowing
However please understand that all saloon pics have been modified already. We can creat a nose which is similar to idol but not the same.
2. Double eyelid surgery with lateral canthoplasty: Please see the idol's lower eyelash. He has a more loosening or curvatural shape than you. That's no doubt that you can have a very natural double eyelid through Korean upper belpharoplasty. However if you want the bigger eyes like him I would shggest you to receive lateral canthoplasty additionally. The cost of upper blepharoplasty combined with lateral canthoplasty is NT34000 totally. Of course that's not a package price.
So the eyes job will be:
Korean upper blepharoplasty
Lateral canthoplasty
3. Mole excision: That's a simple procedure. You can take it out anytime you want. The scar will go away after half an year.
4. Brow lifting: I don't think its a good idea for you at this moment because this procedure will cause an unatural appearance for a man with quite heavy eyebrow. I would suggest you to have eyebrow hair removal or reshaping just like many girls do.
5. Forehead depression: The best procedure to correct your forehead dimpling is perment filler injection. There are several good materials to get. I will recommand Aquamid(Denmark) or Bio-Alkamid(Italia) for choice. THese two materials will make the result perfect.

How do you think about my suggestions? Please keep in touch with me anytime.

Chuang
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1)If it aint broken, dun fix it / dun fix what u dun need

2)Perfect individual features usually dun yield perfect face

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:55 pm

Alan_luv_liyun,

You are entitled to your own opinions. You are also entitled to air your views here with no problem. HOWEVER, when you start to slag others repeatedly like a bitter little troll, I find that it is a bit over the top. You made your opinion known in your first post. You have now made 10 posts all slagging another forumer. Not only that you use very low class posting ettiquette like using all caps or all bold face type. I have deliberately diminished your posts because from what I see, you are apparently advertising you personal problem in your signature line. That is why you are apparently "talking cock".

Now, I would suggest that you do two things. The first one is back off the attacking others like a troll and two, change your signature so that your don't continue to look like one of the s****boy's regulars. If you cannot refrain from slagging other posters you will leave me no choice but to block your account.

You have had your ONLY warning.

As far as "tanjhj" is concerned, most regulars on this forum already know that he is not a doc but a person who has done a lot of reading on the subject. In any case, who would do something on the advice of a written word from someone they don't know. This is only a forum for sharing knowledge, be it the book learned type or experienced type. It's all worth something. Also, Caveat Emptor ..........

Everybody should do their own research just like we do when dealing with other's trying to flog off miracle tonics via MLM's.

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Postby kaka » Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:49 am

ppl stop being judgemental pls!!
go back to original topic..
i need to know new findings of korea ps..
everyone pls share, thanks!!

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Re: hi

Postby IceBell » Mon, 19 Mar 2007 4:04 am

IceBell wrote:
tanjhj wrote:
ocean11 wrote:
Alemak! i post not becos i wan to make things worst lay Alan.. relac la..
i nvr dislike Tanjhj, just think and afraid he might mislead some ppls.. cos PS on face.. no joke u know.. :o

but as i say again.. if those forumer don mind to send him the pix, den is their freedom la.. it always takes 2 to tango wat.. rite alan? relac ok.. peace peace :D


ocean11,

i kinda stop doing that long time ago when my PM and email is flooded with enquiries and pictures requesting for my opinion. and of coz after ur
advice which u told me and i consider it wise n i kinda stop responding to requests except some simpler recomendation of doc. procedures recommendation has stopped long ago. I m kinda tired too, in fact last year was so obessed with PS that i almost failed exams n have character changes, become very judgemental of ppl looks. :???: so i hope those younger forumers to be aware of this problem..

as for the flamer n stalker in the forum, i am least bothered and hope u all not disturbed by it.

Nevertheless, i am very happy for those who did their PS with dr Jung and dr chuang and are enjoying their PS. this is what ultimately i wanted to do.



tanji Do talk like a Dr .. I suspect tanji is not a nomal person

hmmm I guess tanji is Dr su or Dr wong or something?? am i right tanji sorry to expose ur id in this fourm because i been reading ur words in this fourm ... ur wisdom and knowlage is up then a normal humen ...


Tanji Pls give me a free nose job if u are really Dr wong Pls if 2k is too much can lower 1.5 k ? i let u earn commision la .. u will come to my house to do ok ? so the rent wont be that high



pls tanji , reply me .. 1.5 k u come my house u can save rent feed then can earn commssion :( if u dun want then i will tell people Dr tan no good hor ..

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Postby jovinliu » Mon, 19 Mar 2007 1:09 pm

Yah i also conclude that she don't do revision. Paiseh i am going to Dr Chuang not Chiang... haiyah all these taiwanese the surname almost the same one... Hsu lah Su lah Chuang lah Chiang lah....

What name should i quote when i go visit Dr Chuang (Chuang right? from wish clinic) next month? I made an appointment with him. You mentioned that quote your name got more discount mahhhh...



/Jovin


tanjhj wrote:
jovinliu wrote:To confirm, the Dr Su from Taipei who does very good job in double eyelid surgery is 蘇惠珍醫師, her clinic is 電眼美人診所 right? Better make sure i get the right Dr Su... hee.



/Jovin



Yupz jovin, the doc is DR su of 電眼美人診所. however i think she dun really do revision as someone called her before and she asked him to go back to his 1st doctor. FYI if u thinking of revision.

anyway, i read u are going to dr Chiang. is he the one from magic clinic or something there. sori i kinda lost lots of URL of PS docs since i cleared my cache..
Hmmm... what should I do next? Cheekbone reduction maybe?

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Postby jovinliu » Mon, 19 Mar 2007 1:14 pm

Mesotherapy is something that might work, or might not work. It's not proven to work actually.

Smartlipo can only help if you want to do contouring i.e. not removing too much fats.



/Jovin

takuda wrote:i heard smartlipo can remove double chin. heard mesotherapy can too. anyone had them?
Hmmm... what should I do next? Cheekbone reduction maybe?

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Postby black_creamer » Mon, 19 Mar 2007 1:21 pm

Hi,
Has anyone done their alarplasty recently? Appreciate if you can share with me the results, recovery time etc...thanks! :)

I went for a rhino (L-shaped implant) with Dr Harry Fok (previously at Paragon Medical, now moved to Mt E) last year. Did not see much difference, and am going back to him today for an alar + otoplasty (pinning back the ears) consult.
He quoted me $2500 for alar and $5000 for the otoplasty via email. The alar sounds okie, but the pricing for otoplasty seems abit steep....

Thanks all.


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