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Postby cupid^n^starz » Tue, 13 Feb 2007 6:29 pm

Well done, Glad to hear that Vel.
Wb !
You see, all of His nurse are pretty right?! They're all have beautful face and most of them is dr.C's work!
Seems like He is suggest you similar with some of mine, kinda like the brow implant thing. Yes, that would make your eyes more appear deep set like more 3 Dimension rather than flat apperance,and could improve your face drastically,and may make more 'mixed' face, if thats what you want .
Btw, How bout your jaw and chin problem? DOnt you kinda like want to have jaw and chin surgery?
I'm wondering What do you ask bout your face with Him? cause I know He's more like a conservative surgeon rather than offering such an major surgery like the eyebrow job. otherwise if you ask it.

Anyway, My face still looks swollen now even after 6 weeks. I'm a bad healer, dont know whats gonne be look like if I dont take the sinecch, No wonder I have huge anasthesi all over my face. but Im not look like having a pumpkin face anymore. Now my lipo face starting look more defined and more 'boney' without look old. 3/4 view of my face, from my eyebrow to my cheeks line it creates some of define curve. Yes , the lipo starts show its result!!
Just not really satisfied with the lateral canthopexy result. My eyes still look kinda droppy or tired looking instead Id like to have more almond or cat eyes shape. But I still can handled with it as its such less invasive work for me if I want to do more revision.

Patience, patience, patience ..... :roll:

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Postby Velvet_CK » Tue, 13 Feb 2007 7:09 pm

cupid^n^starz wrote:Well done, Glad to hear that Vel.
Wb !
You see, all of His nurse are pretty right?! They're all have beautful face and most of them is dr.C's work!
Seems like He is suggest you similar with some of mine, kinda like the brow implant thing. Yes, that would make your eyes more appear deep set like more 3 Dimension rather than flat apperance,and could improve your face drastically,and may make more 'mixed' face, if thats what you want .
Btw, How bout your jaw and chin problem? DOnt you kinda like want to have jaw and chin surgery?
I'm wondering What do you ask bout your face with Him? cause I know He's more like a conservative surgeon rather than offering such an major surgery like the eyebrow job. otherwise if you ask it.

Anyway, My face still looks swollen now even after 6 weeks. I'm a bad healer, dont know whats gonne be look like if I dont take the sinecch, No wonder I have huge anasthesi all over my face. but Im not look like having a pumpkin face anymore. Now my lipo face starting look more defined and more 'boney' without look old. 3/4 view of my face, from my eyebrow to my cheeks line it creates some of define curve. Yes , the lipo starts show its result!!
Just not really satisfied with the lateral canthopexy result. My eyes still look kinda droppy or tired looking instead Id like to have more almond or cat eyes shape. But I still can handled with it as its such less invasive work for me if I want to do more revision.

Patience, patience, patience ..... :roll:


But i think one of his nurse, the very talkative one looks a bit... fake.. but pretty no doubt, figure also lagi good but i think fake too.

I simply ask him "How can be done to improve my face, i want an extremely handsome face" minus lipo. Then he recommend the above to me. He claims that i will look totally different and old friends won;'t be able to recognize me if i did the procedures.

Its like revamp to a more 'manly' look as i currently have delicate features.

Have u seen the certs at the wall?

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Postby cupid^n^starz » Tue, 13 Feb 2007 7:57 pm

Velvet_CK wrote:
cupid^n^starz wrote:Well done, Glad to hear that Vel.
Wb !
You see, all of His nurse are pretty right?! They're all have beautful face and most of them is dr.C's work!
Seems like He is suggest you similar with some of mine, kinda like the brow implant thing. Yes, that would make your eyes more appear deep set like more 3 Dimension rather than flat apperance,and could improve your face drastically,and may make more 'mixed' face, if thats what you want .
Btw, How bout your jaw and chin problem? DOnt you kinda like want to have jaw and chin surgery?
I'm wondering What do you ask bout your face with Him? cause I know He's more like a conservative surgeon rather than offering such an major surgery like the eyebrow job. otherwise if you ask it.

Anyway, My face still looks swollen now even after 6 weeks. I'm a bad healer, dont know whats gonne be look like if I dont take the sinecch, No wonder I have huge anasthesi all over my face. but Im not look like having a pumpkin face anymore. Now my lipo face starting look more defined and more 'boney' without look old. 3/4 view of my face, from my eyebrow to my cheeks line it creates some of define curve. Yes , the lipo starts show its result!!
Just not really satisfied with the lateral canthopexy result. My eyes still look kinda droppy or tired looking instead Id like to have more almond or cat eyes shape. But I still can handled with it as its such less invasive work for me if I want to do more revision.

Patience, patience, patience ..... :roll:


But i think one of his nurse, the very talkative one looks a bit... fake.. but pretty no doubt, figure also lagi good but i think fake too.

I simply ask him "How can be done to improve my face, i want an extremely handsome face" minus lipo. Then he recommend the above to me. He claims that i will look totally different and old friends won;'t be able to recognize me if i did the procedures.

Its like revamp to a more 'manly' look as i currently have delicate features.

Have u seen the certs at the wall?




Yea, He's perfectly honest, and very openly. And he's right bout the result if you having the procedures done like his advise. Bout the good or not , its all depend on every person aesthetic tastes.
Thats what I like bout Him,

and Yes, I have seen it certs and its quite convinced me. For me, He aleady has enough education bakground and Hundred even thousand times of experiences for doing my surgery .

About, The nurse you mean is In front of standing the receptionist with the short hair ,slim and very talkative? the ex-flight attendant? Yes, she's pretty,. but
But The nurse I mentioned is not her. You have to do the surgery first , and you'll see the more pretier nurses inside than in the receptionist. They are all just show up accompany Dr.C when He does the surgery. They are looks young, pretty and natural looking. I believe if the nurses want to be an actress, they can. huaaaa... miss wish clinic. :lol:

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Postby ocean11 » Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:36 pm

I am the devil!! i want to make u guys more confuse more options!!! wahahahahaha!!! :twisted:

look at this website!! u guys will hate me for this!

http://www.veriteclinic.com

I want to go japan now!!!!!!! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

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Postby cupid^n^starz » Wed, 14 Feb 2007 5:11 pm

ocean11 wrote:I am the devil!! i want to make u guys more confuse more options!!! wahahahahaha!!! :twisted:

look at this website!! u guys will hate me for this!

http://www.veriteclinic.com

I want to go japan now!!!!!!! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!



Hey, Its surprised me! seems japan more openly and already common with drastic surgery contouring bone ! I like that! hehehe
seems like being recognized, that the cheerful figure of cauasian attactiveness face is more desired now for japanese people. They having more desire to change their euroasia face to looks more cauasian. its kinda common at there. What a fresh!
But its all back to every person. When you dont know ,if it is what you want or its not what u desired bout,it would be such a waste time and money.whether this is what you want bout ur identity.whether cost and time what so far you spends it for beauty care operation . Must prepared all phyically and emotionally till ready stable to undergo this procedure.

well, technically ,Long the eyebrow ridge, from The glabella ( forehead area between the eyebrow) area ,til corner eyebrow bone in the eyebrow tail of this women is really fully transformed from flat appearence to 3D with 'Triangle' curve which is only causia face have it features. Thats the Procedures what Dawn yang and me have done.
Eyebrow bossing bone and nose is kinda the Point attractivenes for female or male faces.
It wont such have a big change if you just do eyelid or chin implant or just nose job.
For me, that females eyes photo would be more perfect if the area between upper eyelid and eyebrow which is create the hollow could filli more with injectable substances, it can make face looks more young. its liltte bit to hollow at that area.

If you can see surgery in thailand ps website who performs procedures for Male to Female Forehead bone contouring, this oposite procedures.
2 mm of bone can make a significant difference if it's done right. I'm sure you've looked at pictures of Male to Females TS's who have taken off a couple of mm and the change is pretty dramatic.
ex . http://www.chet-plasticsurgery.com/FFS_result.html

I'm not talking about the neandrethal protruding foreheads - those are obvious. I've seen pics where I didn't think the brow was all that obtrusive and then after the reduction they look totally transformed. Well, the opposite is true too.

anyway, Its a good source website. Congratulation to Japan surgeon of their technology, skill and the ability! and the people!
where did you get that website, ocean11 ?? its really informative!! Thanks!

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Postby xiaozhu » Wed, 14 Feb 2007 5:59 pm

dolphin wrote:Hey Xiaozhu,

I kinda agree with Tanjhj. Why would you want to change so much of your face? ( unless you're a criminal on the run ). Have you thought about the feelings and reactions of all your family, relatives, friends, colleagues...etc? I personally feel that PS should be to enhance, not to change.

Anyway, to answer your question, doing cheekbones and jaw wouldn't change your face as much as a nose job and an eye job. At best, people might just think you've slimmed down somewhat or that you look better, but can't tell exactly where or why.

I'd advise you to get a filler job and botox for a slimmer jaw to see if you like your new look before you go and do something permanent. :)

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xiaozhu wrote:
dolphin wrote:Hi xiaozhu,

Actually, it's said that 90% of a person's face is changed once you go for rhinoplasty combined with an eye job. So if you're thinking of doing that combined with a jaw/chin job, yes, you'd end up nearly totally different :)


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xiaozhu wrote:are the surgeries tat i wan to do consider drastic major surgery? cos i tink if i do cheekbone, jaw n chin n nose i will look totally different le.


That's the whole point right?



really when do eyes and nose 90% of the face is changed? if i do cheekbones and jaws does tat make my face changed 100%


i m not sure if u really wanted to look diff from your prev face.
u will need to change ur all ur ID. quite troublesome...


actually i have consulted with some local plastic surgeons. and also i email my pics to some thai, korean and taiwan doc. they suggest that if i change my face shape, the results will be more drastic in improving my appearance comapred to nose job. and my eyes are alr have double eyelid. so i tink i will do my cheekbone and jaw and chin ba....is dr chuang from wish clinic gd at these surgeris?

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Postby xiaozhu » Wed, 14 Feb 2007 6:01 pm

tanjhj wrote:hmmmm

blogger xiaxue nose machiam no do like that....
for her, she needs to shave her face bone and do a eyelid job like dawn yeo for her to look acceptable..



her nose like nt much effect lo. saw her on ch u talk show on mon nite... i tink xiaxue face too big . if she do her cheekbone and jaw she wil look prettier..

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Postby xiaozhu » Wed, 14 Feb 2007 6:02 pm

tanjhj wrote:
xiaozhu wrote:
dolphin wrote:Hi xiaozhu,

Actually, it's said that 90% of a person's face is changed once you go for rhinoplasty combined with an eye job. So if you're thinking of doing that combined with a jaw/chin job, yes, you'd end up nearly totally different :)


Velvet_CK wrote:
xiaozhu wrote:are the surgeries tat i wan to do consider drastic major surgery? cos i tink if i do cheekbone, jaw n chin n nose i will look totally different le.


That's the whole point right?



really when do eyes and nose 90% of the face is changed? if i do cheekbones and jaws does tat make my face changed 100%


i m not sure if u really wanted to look diff from your prev face.
u will need to change ur all ur ID. quite troublesome...



actually my current looks alr look very diff from my ic le. i tink my looks changed alot compare to sec sch days. my sec sch friends can't recognise me till i tell them i am who. so since i alr look diff from my ic, might as well change my looks for the better

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Postby Velvet_CK » Wed, 14 Feb 2007 8:39 pm

cupid^n^starz wrote:
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cupid^n^starz wrote:Well done, Glad to hear that Vel.
Wb !
You see, all of His nurse are pretty right?! They're all have beautful face and most of them is dr.C's work!
Seems like He is suggest you similar with some of mine, kinda like the brow implant thing. Yes, that would make your eyes more appear deep set like more 3 Dimension rather than flat apperance,and could improve your face drastically,and may make more 'mixed' face, if thats what you want .
Btw, How bout your jaw and chin problem? DOnt you kinda like want to have jaw and chin surgery?
I'm wondering What do you ask bout your face with Him? cause I know He's more like a conservative surgeon rather than offering such an major surgery like the eyebrow job. otherwise if you ask it.

Anyway, My face still looks swollen now even after 6 weeks. I'm a bad healer, dont know whats gonne be look like if I dont take the sinecch, No wonder I have huge anasthesi all over my face. but Im not look like having a pumpkin face anymore. Now my lipo face starting look more defined and more 'boney' without look old. 3/4 view of my face, from my eyebrow to my cheeks line it creates some of define curve. Yes , the lipo starts show its result!!
Just not really satisfied with the lateral canthopexy result. My eyes still look kinda droppy or tired looking instead Id like to have more almond or cat eyes shape. But I still can handled with it as its such less invasive work for me if I want to do more revision.

Patience, patience, patience ..... :roll:


But i think one of his nurse, the very talkative one looks a bit... fake.. but pretty no doubt, figure also lagi good but i think fake too.

I simply ask him "How can be done to improve my face, i want an extremely handsome face" minus lipo. Then he recommend the above to me. He claims that i will look totally different and old friends won;'t be able to recognize me if i did the procedures.

Its like revamp to a more 'manly' look as i currently have delicate features.

Have u seen the certs at the wall?




Yea, He's perfectly honest, and very openly. And he's right bout the result if you having the procedures done like his advise. Bout the good or not , its all depend on every person aesthetic tastes.
Thats what I like bout Him,

and Yes, I have seen it certs and its quite convinced me. For me, He aleady has enough education bakground and Hundred even thousand times of experiences for doing my surgery .

About, The nurse you mean is In front of standing the receptionist with the short hair ,slim and very talkative? the ex-flight attendant? Yes, she's pretty,. but
But The nurse I mentioned is not her. You have to do the surgery first , and you'll see the more pretier nurses inside than in the receptionist. They are all just show up accompany Dr.C when He does the surgery. They are looks young, pretty and natural looking. I believe if the nurses want to be an actress, they can. huaaaa... miss wish clinic. :lol:


I think i know which nurse you referring to. The young one right?? She's really pretty, but she claims she don't have PS when we all la kopi'ing. Everyone works until really late, so i guess his staffs are getting a big ang bao this year~

Actually Dr C, recommends all those procedures to suit my taste, as i mentioned to him i want a great improvement.. Though changing to an ABC look is a great consideration i have to seriously think about..

He did mention about doing rhino to enhance my bridge but not going to do my tip as it's good enough.. One thing he noted is that my mouth and lips are too too small. and seems that my face is a bit empty. but he says nothing can be done unless i want to shave my jaw until really thin (Which's a major major operation).. No way on that...

Cupid,
I remember you mentioned about the chin incision via the gums.. I will be doing my braces quite soon, i guess external incision will be more suitable (and less suffering) right?

Originally i never think about eyebrow (forehead contouring).. After hearing what you and Dr C recommends.. Wa.. Tempted to~ Dr C did mention that its a great overhaul by PSing the eyebrow(forehead) and chin.

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Dr Kim (BK clinic) replied me from my email. His recommendation is slightly different from other docs. The common thing is that he's intending to shorten the length of my chin and enhance my chin (So that i will not end up having a horse face, yet nice masculine chin.). $5k USD

Incision of eyelids, Standard removal of fats as i have fatty eyelids.
$1.4k - $2k USD

Rhinophasty to enhance my bridge. and heighten my tip (contradict with Dr C's idea) No way on this procedure. $3K USD

Botox my jaws to relax it $700-$800 USD.

Decisions decisions decisions....

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Postby jovinliu » Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:33 pm

Hi,

Have not been visiting this thread for quite some time, lazy to read from where i stopped previously...

ok as for my double eyelid, i did the cutting method. Honestly it looks very natural, not like those Taiwan-Auntie-crease-thick-thick type :P


/Jovin

jeanny wrote:Hi Jovin,

I'm new here and has been following his thread. I'm just curious. For you double eyelid surgery, did you do the cutting or non cutting (DST) method? It's very natural on you.

/Jean :)
Hmmm... what should I do next? Cheekbone reduction maybe?

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Postby cupid^n^starz » Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:49 pm

Velvet_CK wrote:
I think i know which nurse you referring to. The young one right?? She's really pretty, but she claims she don't have PS when we all la kopi'ing. Everyone works until really late, so i guess his staffs are getting a big ang bao this year~

Actually Dr C, recommends all those procedures to suit my taste, as i mentioned to him i want a great improvement.. Though changing to an ABC look is a great consideration i have to seriously think about..

He did mention about doing rhino to enhance my bridge but not going to do my tip as it's good enough.. One thing he noted is that my mouth and lips are too too small. and seems that my face is a bit empty. but he says nothing can be done unless i want to shave my jaw until really thin (Which's a major major operation).. No way on that...

Cupid,
I remember you mentioned about the chin incision via the gums.. I will be doing my braces quite soon, i guess external incision will be more suitable (and less suffering) right?

Originally i never think about eyebrow (forehead contouring).. After hearing what you and Dr C recommends.. Wa.. Tempted to~ Dr C did mention that its a great overhaul by PSing the eyebrow(forehead) and chin.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dr Kim (BK clinic) replied me from my email. His recommendation is slightly different from other docs. The common thing is that he's intending to shorten the length of my chin and enhance my chin (So that i will not end up having a horse face, yet nice masculine chin.). $5k USD

Incision of eyelids, Standard removal of fats as i have fatty eyelids.
$1.4k - $2k USD

Rhinophasty to enhance my bridge. and heighten my tip (contradict with Dr C's idea) No way on this procedure. $3K USD

Botox my jaws to relax it $700-$800 USD.

Decisions decisions decisions....



Hehe,.. you should know, His nurses is so many and everyday they r changing. I know the nurse that you mean and she admit doesnt do any surgery cause she said she doesnt have so much money for that.
I know her, shes the one who is accompany me for full one day when i stayed at dr.c clinis for a day.and you know, her age is up to 30.
but still, theres still many nurses , There's a nurse who is have really long black hair, shes so young, and look so pretty. Im fan of her. hehehe. and shes so nice, she helped me to put a pair of my shoes to my foot. She's really remind me of my beautiful friend. huaaa...

Fro what u;ve described bout your face. especially your mouth ,lips, and will get the braces soon,.. Yes-yes-yes,. you're absolutely the right candidate using external incision or under the chin incision. The main reason is :
1. You will have the braces. Even without using braces and already brush our teeth 3x a day + mouthwash- whatsoever the stricted oral hygiene, You should know, lots of bad stuff lives inside of your mouth...lots of bateria.
It's a MEAN bug that lives in the mouth and sinuses. It's an anaerob (lives in a no oxygen environment) so it's very hard to culture standardly but it does alot of damage in the body if left to grow. Many surgeons overlook it. Oral surgeons are very familiar with it but general surgeons and many plastics are not.It's bacteria common to the mouth but is dangerous 'in' bone. It looks like fungus mounds when it is allowed to live for months in the body (mounds of fungus with pus 'rivers')

Please,ou will not regret to use this external ones. I learn from my experiences.

2. is, you said that Dr.C noted if "your mouth and lips are too small. and seems that your face is a bit empty." right? based on my experienced it has relation with chin implant IF you used internal incision. Caused this technique could make your lower small lips makes more smaller even your lower lips could be look weird and strange cause you dont have vermillion ( lower lip line and succus area between lowe lip and chin is flat ) its hard for me to explain in words, hoe you know what i mean.

3. -You dont need to take any vitamin to boost your imun to prevent infection ,
-no need to take medicine antibiotic for long time,
-no need to have brugh teeth 3x times a day
-no need to have mouthwash 6x times a day
-fast wound healing as opposed use internal was very slow n need long time to make the wound become fresh flesh, cause the wound area always get 'wet' with saliva which is full of bacteria.
-You still can eat any kind of food you want aka bye-bye liquid diet and soup with all kind of groosss.. flavours.

because the risk of infection with external technique was very-very-very low as opposed with internal technique much much bigger take the risk.

The dissadvantages is
-scar remains under the chin but it would more less obvious month by month, and for me,.. its NOT a big deal at all, compare dealing with the infection. huah,... it was a lonngg.. journey..

now its in your hand. good luck ok! :)

Bout the forhead job,.. hm... thats another story,..

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Postby jovinliu » Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:02 am

Dr Chuang, here I come in November!!! Wait for me!!!! I want to be pretty pretty like a Angmoh-Chinese mixed!!!!! :twisted:



/Jovin
Hmmm... what should I do next? Cheekbone reduction maybe?

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Postby cupid^n^starz » Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:30 am

Im not able to post my pic still at this time, but this I insert the pic from a male cases taken from website that ocean11 given on forum.
This japanese boy already have soft features all of his face which is looks more feminine with high eyebrow creases sit upper the eyebrow bone.

Look the triangle curve at close photo shot , how it could make his face drasticallly from the forehead and nose job. over the browridge and feathered into the glabella...it also went down around the upper part of the orbital near the nose to give a more triangular (masculine) look to the forehead as it meet the bridge of the nose... now His face have strong features yet look like a little mixed and little look like latino.
it wont such have big effect If he's not done the procedures, even I know he also having other procedures like liposuction on cheeks, injectable cheeks with HA pasta, and chin.

Its procedure directly give effect on the eyes and make more obvious his epi-cantho, if you know what i mean. having straight paralel just like cauasia crease but still doesnt look fake. it wont be look like that if he just having eyelid or double eyelid or lateral-epi-cantho procedure.

The forehead covers a very large portion of the face. As the male forehead is so different than the female forehead, this may be one of the most important areas to modify. Males have brow bossing, with a flat area in-between the bossing, while females tend to have a completely convex skull in all planes.

[img][img]http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/1276/resizeofproject1js1.th.jpg[/img][/img]

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Postby Velvet_CK » Thu, 15 Feb 2007 5:43 am

cupid^n^starz wrote:Im not able to post my pic still at this time, but this I insert the pic from a male cases taken from website that ocean11 given on forum.
This japanese boy already have soft features all of his face which is looks more feminine with high eyebrow creases sit upper the eyebrow bone.

Look the triangle curve at close photo shot , how it could make his face drasticallly from the forehead and nose job. over the browridge and feathered into the glabella...it also went down around the upper part of the orbital near the nose to give a more triangular (masculine) look to the forehead as it meet the bridge of the nose... now His face have strong features yet look like a little mixed and little look like latino.
it wont such have big effect If he's not done the procedures, even I know he also having other procedures like liposuction on cheeks, injectable cheeks with HA pasta, and chin.

Its procedure directly give effect on the eyes and make more obvious his epi-cantho, if you know what i mean. having straight paralel just like cauasia crease but still doesnt look fake. it wont be look like that if he just having eyelid or double eyelid or lateral-epi-cantho procedure.

The forehead covers a very large portion of the face. As the male forehead is so different than the female forehead, this may be one of the most important areas to modify. Males have brow bossing, with a flat area in-between the bossing, while females tend to have a completely convex skull in all planes.

[img][img]http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/1276/resizeofproject1js1.th.jpg[/img][/img]


Thanks for the advice on the chin incision! Its's really great help and seriously, i don't mind the external scar as i have enough of "inside-the-mouth" sufferings i did braces before. extracted wisdom tooth, all these. Enough of the internal sufferings.

I don't know about the japanese boy.. Personally i find the before pic looks better. He looks weird after the forehead PS, a total change to ABC look. But then again, individual preference. Indeed, he looks totally different after the forehead surgery like what Dr C mentioned before.

Good luck on ur healing, cupid!
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Postby ocean11 » Thu, 15 Feb 2007 9:38 am

so after all the discussion.... JAPAN ANYONE??!?! kakakakaka... :P

We can rent an appartment near somewhere fuji mountain or sakura.. ahhh.. it good for healing with beautiful and serene surrounding.. 8-)
*dreaming and drooling* :mrgreen:


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