Plastic and cosmetic surgery abroad

[hello84]

song hye gyo had perfect feature if you dun believe just go look at her feature nice nose and eye.. and tat was natural.. love her..

[Shiyun]

So much about noses....

Actually i think, in my opinion, a person is free to do whatever they want to themselves, people can give their fair share of judgmental opinions of P.S, but at the end of the day, it's you who decide what you wanna do with your own life.

Yes, some asians does have slightly higher nose bridge. And prominent double eye lids too. But sadly, luck is more sort after factor.

In life, if you don't have luck on your side, you can start out to be pretty, but you can suffer "image problems" as your health declines and body organs start to fail. Radiation definiton causes skin to sag and cell premature injury.

Soreness of others will cause people to want to disfigure your looks too .... Many are very evil and only God knows the reasons why they are doing the things they do..Haven't you read the news, there are many people whom are blessed with natural good looking features but encountered their ill fate when their murderers hunt them down? Some woman even had acidify water poured on them. These R done by men and women whom lost their sense and had become the devil's advocate.

Thus, luck is more important. A person with luck on their side may started out not as attractive, but coupled with the peaceful rest and no stress life from any derange maniac, their bodies regenerate itself wonderfully and slowly the body build itself and grow, you also look good.

Stress aged a person and this is a fact. Breathing problems, kidney problems, liver problems, radiation beams.......all these spells suicidal for people concern with image.

Count yourself lucky you aren't in the environment as mentioned above. If you aren't born naturally good looking, it's not dooms day yet. I've enocuntered people who started out attractive, and you have ants, bees, all the sinister creatures attracted to them and it the end, it brought much mess and the person is now, not only injured but suffers various degree of being physically disfigured for reasons their masterminds know.

Inevitably but ironically, a good-looking person does suffer and can experience an impending premature doom base on the envy, jealousy, discrimination produce by the people.

This is a fact. If you have something others don't , be it money fame, or properties, Anyone with above average capacity or talents in any where are often a target for ill treatment and gossips. People are generally sore losers.

[numberlinh]

where u heard this from? 18 years old maybe but not 16.. at 16, even double eyelid surgery may be useless after few months. u can do it but dun regret it when ur nose job is deviated..

read this from magazines, newspapers, and news. parents giving children 16th bdae present. which is PS. I also dunno, you have a point there, but thats what i see from news that there are so many young guys/girls out there going for PS. btw, for a 16 yo, features havent finish developing??

isit? well Ps for 16 yrs old most likely is eyelid job.

Well from what I've read it seems that doctors recommend rhinoplasty at or after the age of 16.

So to that guy who is 16 and looking for a nose job...

"Age may also be a consideration. Many surgeons prefer not to operate on teenagers until after they've completed their growth spurt-around 14 or 15 for girls, a bit later for boys. It's important to consider teenagers' social and emotional adjustment, too, and to make sure it's what they, and not their parents, really want." (http://www.plasticsurgery.org/patients_ ... N=75132046)

So no there is absolutely no need to wait until you're 21, personally I would just do it the summer before you enter uni, especially if you are looking forward to a good time in uni and will be prevented from doing so due to lack of confidence.

[Mandy2]

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[taurus19]

hi all my nose is recovering well.... and it looks nice to me

hi iamdanny,
mind showing us ur before and after pic? hope you dun mind.. ya again where did you do for your nose?

[tanjhj]

read this from magazines, newspapers, and news. parents giving children 16th bdae present. which is PS. I also dunno, you have a point there, but thats what i see from news that there are so many young guys/girls out there going for PS. btw, for a 16 yo, features havent finish developing??

isit? well Ps for 16 yrs old most likely is eyelid job.

Well from what I've read it seems that doctors recommend rhinoplasty at or after the age of 16.

So to that guy who is 16 and looking for a nose job...

"Age may also be a consideration. Many surgeons prefer not to operate on teenagers until after they've completed their growth spurt-around 14 or 15 for girls, a bit later for boys. It's important to consider teenagers' social and emotional adjustment, too, and to make sure it's what they, and not their parents, really want." (http://www.plasticsurgery.org/patients_ ... N=75132046)

So no there is absolutely no need to wait until you're 21, personally I would just do it the summer before you enter uni, especially if you are looking forward to a good time in uni and will be prevented from doing so due to lack of confidence.

hmm. seriously i think if u are not professional or expert it is betta to play safe. diff ppl will stop growing at diff age. for Dr Jung of korea, he will only consider operate on a lady only if she is 18 yrs old. guys i assume will be later age. there is a reason a nose doc like him to set this age limit. sometimes reading from website alone is not enough. needs to spk to doctor and also patients to confirm the facts..

21 is a safer age estimate for guys, i know that some guys will stop growing at 21 yrs old. of coz the face will stop changing at earlier age but it is not advisable to give medical advice unless u are qualified doctor.

i personally stop growing at 21 years old. my face shape stablish only after 19+ yrs old. whereas my fren stop at 18 + .
u must understand that takuda is a guy and also he may need more surgical procedure other than implants. since we didnt see his pic nor is qualified to operate on him.. it is not right to assume and generalise what he needs.

nevertheless i agree the best time to go for any operation is just before starting unis..

i hope comments and advises is followed after careful consideration and ..

[takuda]

read this from magazines, newspapers, and news. parents giving children 16th bdae present. which is PS. I also dunno, you have a point there, but thats what i see from news that there are so many young guys/girls out there going for PS. btw, for a 16 yo, features havent finish developing??

isit? well Ps for 16 yrs old most likely is eyelid job.

Well from what I've read it seems that doctors recommend rhinoplasty at or after the age of 16.

So to that guy who is 16 and looking for a nose job...

"Age may also be a consideration. Many surgeons prefer not to operate on teenagers until after they've completed their growth spurt-around 14 or 15 for girls, a bit later for boys. It's important to consider teenagers' social and emotional adjustment, too, and to make sure it's what they, and not their parents, really want." (http://www.plasticsurgery.org/patients_ ... N=75132046)

So no there is absolutely no need to wait until you're 21, personally I would just do it the summer before you enter uni, especially if you are looking forward to a good time in uni and will be prevented from doing so due to lack of confidence.

YES! Finally someone gets it. Thanks! I agree totally on the uni part. That is what i am afraid. That if i do it later in my life, it will be an obvious change that my college friends will go'' OBVIOUSLY HE HAD A NOSE JOB!''

Instead, if i had it before college, like during a few months of vacation to heal and all, it would be better, and my college friends will see me as it is(already did the job). And can someone really verify for me that 16 year old is safe?

[bbww]

hi guys,

i'm an asian chinese in australia and would like to get my nose done with one of the surgeons here. the surgery im after is a silicon implant to raise the nose bridge. do you guys think its better doing it in an asian country with an asian surgeon? i consulted the doctor here and he said its just a simple insertion of silicon implant. if thats the case, there won't be that much difference having the surgery here would there? any comments would be appreciated! thanks

[takuda]

hi guys,

i'm an asian chinese in australia and would like to get my nose done with one of the surgeons here. the surgery im after is a silicon implant to raise the nose bridge. do you guys think its better doing it in an asian country with an asian surgeon? i consulted the doctor here and he said its just a simple insertion of silicon implant. if thats the case, there won't be that much difference having the surgery here would there? any comments would be appreciated! thanks

Personally, i would find asian surgeons better.(includes Singapore to korea to malaysia etc) because as mentioned, caucasians are more ''used'' to make noses smaller(lower bridge) and not what the asians usually do(higher nose bridge).

Hence asian surgeons will be more appropriate and unless you want an ang moh nose, which is highly not compatible with asian features, go for asian ones. how old are you by the way?

[tanjhj]

hi guys,

i'm an asian chinese in australia and would like to get my nose done with one of the surgeons here. the surgery im after is a silicon implant to raise the nose bridge. do you guys think its better doing it in an asian country with an asian surgeon? i consulted the doctor here and he said its just a simple insertion of silicon implant. if thats the case, there won't be that much difference having the surgery here would there? any comments would be appreciated! thanks

Personally, i would find asian surgeons better.(includes Singapore to korea to malaysia etc) because as mentioned, caucasians are more ''used'' to make noses smaller(lower bridge) and not what the asians usually do(higher nose bridge).

Hence asian surgeons will be more appropriate and unless you want an ang moh nose, which is highly not compatible with asian features, go for asian ones. how old are you by the way?

i totally disagree with what u are toking abt. for a simple nose implant, it is the same to get done at australia or asia countries. the diff will be the price. the doc will know which silicone implant to choose for u so wont look like westerners. even than as long u are doing L silicone implant more or less ur nose gonna look abit westernised.

unless u are aiming for korean nose surgery than it is advisable to do it at asia country. however even then, many Western doctor are good in nose surgery be it for asian or not. if the skill of the doc are good, they will know how to choose the right techniques and implants.

bbww, there is no need for u to travel oversea to do a simple silicone implant. as it is not a technical surgery. as long u find a reputable one in your country or spore will do. the doc should know which silicone implant to use on ur nose if u let him decide or u show him a nose u will like to have. however plz note that u may need more procedures if u want to change ur nose shape quite significantly.. cheers to ur PS.

for takuda only: why dun u go consult a local PS doctor for professional answer. it seem u dun bother to read careful what i posted earlier..

[numberlinh]

isit? well Ps for 16 yrs old most likely is eyelid job.

Well from what I've read it seems that doctors recommend rhinoplasty at or after the age of 16.

So to that guy who is 16 and looking for a nose job...

"Age may also be a consideration. Many surgeons prefer not to operate on teenagers until after they've completed their growth spurt-around 14 or 15 for girls, a bit later for boys. It's important to consider teenagers' social and emotional adjustment, too, and to make sure it's what they, and not their parents, really want." (http://www.plasticsurgery.org/patients_ ... N=75132046)

So no there is absolutely no need to wait until you're 21, personally I would just do it the summer before you enter uni, especially if you are looking forward to a good time in uni and will be prevented from doing so due to lack of confidence.

hmm. seriously i think if u are not professional or expert it is betta to play safe. diff ppl will stop growing at diff age. for Dr Jung of korea, he will only consider operate on a lady only if she is 18 yrs old. guys i assume will be later age. there is a reason a nose doc like him to set this age limit. sometimes reading from website alone is not enough. needs to spk to doctor and also patients to confirm the facts..

21 is a safer age estimate for guys, i know that some guys will stop growing at 21 yrs old. of coz the face will stop changing at earlier age but it is not advisable to give medical advice unless u are qualified doctor.

i personally stop growing at 21 years old. my face shape stablish only after 19+ yrs old. whereas my fren stop at 18 + .
u must understand that takuda is a guy and also he may need more surgical procedure other than implants. since we didnt see his pic nor is qualified to operate on him.. it is not right to assume and generalise what he needs.

nevertheless i agree the best time to go for any operation is just before starting unis..

i hope comments and advises is followed after careful consideration and ..

Thats not true, he said he would operate on a 17 yr old. And I suppose you arent reading my entire post? Because at least I've cited my source whereas you?...havent. Yea I'm not going into detail, I've already explained it as best as I can, and with cited source too. Oh well.

And secondly, I would agree with Takuda. You wouldnt want to get your nose job done in countries where there is no experience on the Asian nose. You'll either end up with a Caucasian nose that wont suit your face, or just the same nose with no difference at all.

No the doctor will NOT know what which silicone implant to choose, if you've really done your research you'll see that most of their patients are Caucasian who are reducing the size of the nose. NOT making it higher by inserting an implant.

What do you think is better? Going to somewhere in Asia where there have been lots of Asian nose surgery performed. Or going to somewhere Europe/Aus/North America where Asians are obviously the minority and might I say, a lot less likely, to get plastic surgery? If the doctors dont see many Asian noses and they dont understand the need for a beautiful nose that is high, small and yet still Asian, how do you think they'll be able to give the percentage rate of results thats Asian doctors will give?

[tanjhj]

you sound like those ppl who like to quote from their koran or bible as "proof" they are right. The website u quoted are westernize plastic surgery for general masses of america. while we are different individuals of diff races all over the world. we grow at different rate and change differently.
Plz know that what is posted on the western web may not be the ultimate truth. else there is no need to create korean style surgery.

i wonder if u are abv 20's coz ppl who are abv 20's knows that some (not all) ppl stop growing and changes only when thet are 20/21 yrs old. so can u tell me just by looking and even reading someone posting that he will stop growing at 16-18 yrs old? comeon, even doctor cant know when one will stop growing..maybe u like to ask and check with ur GP doc abt this rather than look on the website..

just for ur info, when i am in secdonary 3/4, a school dentist told me to go for my jaw surgery for my protruding lower jaw.. and guess what ? by my 21st b'day my jaw become normal. even other dentist certified i dun need to go for any surgery...if i dumb dumb listen to ur abv posting and go for my jaw surgery, i will have to waste 8k+(10 yrs ago) and suffer pain for 1 yr for nothing..

U said Dr Jung / Dr Kim will operate on 17. while my 16 yrs old gal fren emailed him wanting him to do her nose but he refused asking her to return after her 18th birthday. even Dr Kim also said the same thing.. so i wonder if u emailed the right dr jung or kim...

as for choosing the doctor in aust or asian countries, i see no need to do that becoz my friends (indo and spore) studying in australia did their nose job there and they look the same even if they are going to do it in spore coz L implants exist in a few ranges (thick or thin bridges, straight or twisted tip.. straight or curve bridge..etc) and models and than seperate into diff size. even my own cousin did her L implant in canada also look roughly the same to me. and yes her double eyelid looks oriental coz she choose the "oriental" eyelid and yes her doctor is angmoh... so u think the ang moh doctor doesnt know how to do ethnic plastic surgery?

i can see u have not even touch or even see L implant at all..
in ang moh coutries.. the ang moh dun really need nasal augumentation rather they need nasal reduction thus there is no need to use L implant most of the time. Asian on the other side almost all needs L implant. so guess who are the biggest users for the doctor's L implant surgery?

and for ur limited info. in a simple silicone L implant surgery. the L implant used will determine the shape of the nose and not the "skills" of the doctor.. so be it ang moh doctor or asian one. it will be the same if it is just silicone implant. as long silcone L implant is used the nose will look more or less angmohish coz however if one wants the nose to look oriental, than he may like to consider korean style.

for ur info, thailand which is asia country, their PS doctor like to stock up only a few nose implants thats why the thai nose jobs look angmohish. i dun need to quote. just go to thailand to see or u can just ask around..
yah, maybe the all the thai doctor stock up the wrong silicone L implants model..

Reading from Web sources indeed will boost ur knowledge but also i see ur ego is inflated along the way. my suggestion on the forums has been thru reading and sharing of experiences from local and overseas. what u lack is just actual experiences..

Plz post with responsibilities as the one doing the PS is not you thus dont any how post without concrete facts.

Nevertheless, i does agree that the best time to do PS maybe the period of break after JC (gals) before the University start school. for guys, since there is NS, it is relative safer idea to do it just before ORD. My platoon mate so vain go for L implant just after his Poly and guess what, the rifle recoil broke his implant.. and there is cases in NSmen plastic surgery wasted during the excercises.

cheers

[sakurajl]

Mandy2 where did you get your ears done?

Anyone here done any ear surgery? Any other good surgeon to recommend? Thanks

[takuda]

you sound like those ppl who like to quote from their koran or bible as "proof" they are right. The website u quoted are westernize plastic surgery for general masses of america. while we are different individuals of diff races all over the world. we grow at different rate and change differently.
Plz know that what is posted on the western web may not be the ultimate truth. else there is no need to create korean style surgery.

i wonder if u are abv 20's coz ppl who are abv 20's knows that some (not all) ppl stop growing and changes only when thet are 20/21 yrs old. so can u tell me just by looking and even reading someone posting that he will stop growing at 16-18 yrs old? comeon, even doctor cant know when one will stop growing..maybe u like to ask and check with ur GP doc abt this rather than look on the website..

just for ur info, when i am in secdonary 3/4, a school dentist told me to go for my jaw surgery for my protruding lower jaw.. and guess what ? by my 21st b'day my jaw become normal. even other dentist certified i dun need to go for any surgery...if i dumb dumb listen to ur abv posting and go for my jaw surgery, i will have to waste 8k+(10 yrs ago) and suffer pain for 1 yr for nothing..

U said Dr Jung / Dr Kim will operate on 17. while my 16 yrs old gal fren emailed him wanting him to do her nose but he refused asking her to return after her 18th birthday. even Dr Kim also said the same thing.. so i wonder if u emailed the right dr jung or kim...

as for choosing the doctor in aust or asian countries, i see no need to do that becoz my friends (indo and spore) studying in australia did their nose job there and they look the same even if they are going to do it in spore coz L implants exist in a few ranges (thick or thin bridges, straight or twisted tip.. straight or curve bridge..etc) and models and than seperate into diff size. even my own cousin did her L implant in canada also look roughly the same to me. and yes her double eyelid looks oriental coz she choose the "oriental" eyelid and yes her doctor is angmoh... so u think the ang moh doctor doesnt know how to do ethnic plastic surgery?

i can see u have not even touch or even see L implant at all..
in ang moh coutries.. the ang moh dun really need nasal augumentation rather they need nasal reduction thus there is no need to use L implant most of the time. Asian on the other side almost all needs L implant. so guess who are the biggest users for the doctor's L implant surgery?

and for ur limited info. in a simple silicone L implant surgery. the L implant used will determine the shape of the nose and not the "skills" of the doctor.. so be it ang moh doctor or asian one. it will be the same if it is just silicone implant. as long silcone L implant is used the nose will look more or less angmohish coz however if one wants the nose to look oriental, than he may like to consider korean style.

for ur info, thailand which is asia country, their PS doctor like to stock up only a few nose implants thats why the thai nose jobs look angmohish. i dun need to quote. just go to thailand to see or u can just ask around..
yah, maybe the all the thai doctor stock up the wrong silicone L implants model..

Reading from Web sources indeed will boost ur knowledge but also i see ur ego is inflated along the way. my suggestion on the forums has been thru reading and sharing of experiences from local and overseas. what u lack is just actual experiences..

Plz post with responsibilities as the one doing the PS is not you thus dont any how post without concrete facts.

Nevertheless, i does agree that the best time to do PS maybe the period of break after JC (gals) before the University start school. for guys, since there is NS, it is relative safer idea to do it just before ORD. My platoon mate so vain go for L implant just after his Poly and guess what, the rifle recoil broke his implant.. and there is cases in NSmen plastic surgery wasted during the excercises.

cheers

I am sorry if i caused this 'argument' but, numberlinh and i are not intending to go against you or anything. we just feel that western plastic surgeons MAY NOT understand the whole structure thing of Asians as well as asian plastic surgeons do. That means all are good but it just differs in which knows which better.

And i apologise if i said anything wrong/you disagree because as you can see, im a newbie, and if i were really so pro/understood PS totally, i won't be here. So do guide us, or me. Just understand that we are not in any way trying to say that western surgeons are lousier than asian ones. No, not true. I also understand and respect the fact that you are more experienced than many of us here.

[takuda]

Well from what I've read it seems that doctors recommend rhinoplasty at or after the age of 16.

So to that guy who is 16 and looking for a nose job...

"Age may also be a consideration. Many surgeons prefer not to operate on teenagers until after they've completed their growth spurt-around 14 or 15 for girls, a bit later for boys. It's important to consider teenagers' social and emotional adjustment, too, and to make sure it's what they, and not their parents, really want." (http://www.plasticsurgery.org/patients_ ... N=75132046)

So no there is absolutely no need to wait until you're 21, personally I would just do it the summer before you enter uni, especially if you are looking forward to a good time in uni and will be prevented from doing so due to lack of confidence.

hmm. seriously i think if u are not professional or expert it is betta to play safe. diff ppl will stop growing at diff age. for Dr Jung of korea, he will only consider operate on a lady only if she is 18 yrs old. guys i assume will be later age. there is a reason a nose doc like him to set this age limit. sometimes reading from website alone is not enough. needs to spk to doctor and also patients to confirm the facts..

21 is a safer age estimate for guys, i know that some guys will stop growing at 21 yrs old. of coz the face will stop changing at earlier age but it is not advisable to give medical advice unless u are qualified doctor.

i personally stop growing at 21 years old. my face shape stablish only after 19+ yrs old. whereas my fren stop at 18 + .
u must understand that takuda is a guy and also he may need more surgical procedure other than implants. since we didnt see his pic nor is qualified to operate on him.. it is not right to assume and generalise what he needs.

nevertheless i agree the best time to go for any operation is just before starting unis..

i hope comments and advises is followed after careful consideration and ..

Thats not true, he said he would operate on a 17 yr old. And I suppose you arent reading my entire post? Because at least I've cited my source whereas you?...havent. Yea I'm not going into detail, I've already explained it as best as I can, and with cited source too. Oh well.

And secondly, I would agree with Takuda. You wouldnt want to get your nose job done in countries where there is no experience on the Asian nose. You'll either end up with a Caucasian nose that wont suit your face, or just the same nose with no difference at all.

No the doctor will NOT know what which silicone implant to choose, if you've really done your research you'll see that most of their patients are Caucasian who are reducing the size of the nose. NOT making it higher by inserting an implant.

What do you think is better? Going to somewhere in Asia where there have been lots of Asian nose surgery performed. Or going to somewhere Europe/Aus/North America where Asians are obviously the minority and might I say, a lot less likely, to get plastic surgery? If the doctors dont see many Asian noses and they dont understand the need for a beautiful nose that is high, small and yet still Asian, how do you think they'll be able to give the percentage rate of results thats Asian doctors will give?

don't bother arguing. we are all here to give advice and learn. everyone got different opinions. but we do share the same view.